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New MessageLinux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) SnackPack
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OK, I have a V3 which is upgraded to a K6-III 266. All runs well in Linux untill I do something like compile a large package. Compiling in Linux can really suck up the processor. after a few minutes, the IO just shuts off and reboots, and won't successfully boot up until I turn it off and let it cool down. It goes thru LILO, and the kernel halfway boots up, and then the IO reboots.

Now, I did an experiment, using the lm_sensors package in Linux. It can measure your motherboard temps. I started a compile, checking the Q16 temp, which rose from about 64° (idle) to about 73° (working hard). The CPU is always at a safe 44° or so. My vCore is 2.0v.

It's not the processor. It's rated at 333mhz. I don't think it's low current to the processor... other wise I think it would fold right when you start to do something intensive.

I think it may be due to sustaining high temps on the Q16. It doesn't reboot when it hits 73°... It reboots if that temp is sustained for a while.

Any objections?

SnackPack

11-12-2000 12:02:18

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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I've got the same problems. See
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=technical&Post=1753&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0

I'm using Linux as well. You can contact me directly at klotz@curta.org and we can work on this offline.

Leigh.

11-12-2000 18:21:45

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) WanneBe
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I had the same problem with a V4 running at 300, Win98, 2.0 VCORE. I just mod'ed it and was trying to login to my ISP. It seemed to happen exactly after logging into my ISP and starting of Explorer. Either it reboots or the screen goes dark.

After several runs, it seems to be working fine now so I lost interest in debugging it.

In another thread, someone mentioned that the K6-III AFK is rated at 100C and Q16 is rated to 140-150C. Also in another thread, someone was explaining how a car battery at 12 VDC would work. The power supply has a significant drop when loaded. This implies that it's not very well regulated and has a high output resistance. I suspect that it's probably a power supply problem; but, can't rule out heat. The power supply feels unusually warm. Also, since it reboots immediately, I didn't think that heat would dissipate so fast.

If it happens again I'll take the back panel off and cool it with a house fan. This should provide ample cooling and determine if heat is causing the problem. If it's not heat, I also got a laptop power supply which is not rated as high but looks better built. I would also try running it from a 12V battery ( Line drop might still be a problem).

11-13-2000 10:22:17

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) SnackPack
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Ok, I found the problem... well, I found it a long while ago.

I took your advice on using a house fan. I placed it behind the IO, and turned the oscillation off.

WOW... the temp of Q16 went from a max of 80°C down to about 50°C. This was with the RAM door off, but after putting it back on, the temp didn't rise too much. My crashes have stopped.

My conclusion is that just a little bit of air flowing thru the IO case will cool it quite a bit. Q16 is in a spot where it doesn't seem that it would get much of a draft without any help.

A cheapo fan in a strategic spot would help out a lot. I'm not about to do this, so I'm going to experiment with a heat sink for it.

Here is what I picked up at my local radio hack:
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F005%5F007%5F004%5F000&product%5Fid=276%2D1368

It looked a bit large, but out of the only two they had in stock, this looked to be the best bet. If you place it so that the fins are vertical, it will fit right in. The problem is fastening it down.

I found out that with the RF shield on, it fit incredibly snug. Now, the painted parts of the aluminum heat sink do not conduct electricity. However, the ends of it that are not painted do. I don't think this will be a problem in shorting anything out.

I plan on just fastening it to the RF shield so that when I put it on, it's in the right place everytime.

I plan on doing this tomorrow, and I'll post my results.

SnackPack

11-28-2000 22:28:45

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) Programmer
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The TOP of Q16 is not hot(V).. it is the metal pad where it connects to the motherboard that is hot(V). if Q16 is a 6030, it will be 18V and otherwise it will be 3.5V.

you can safely attach a heat sink to the TOP of Q16. a suitable bonding material for this is Superglue. A better bonding material for this is Arctic Silver Thermal Adhesive. available here http://www.subzeropc.com/store/accessories.htm for $15.

The reason for Turbo3 and Badflash caution about Q16 being hot(V) is that they were mounting it Vertically and installing dropping resistors between the bottom of Q16 and its pad, exposing all of that voltage to the environment.

11-29-2000 09:43:46

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) WanneBe
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I was suprised at what cooling fans could do. At work, I had some resistive loads mounted to heat sinks and it got hot enough to burn skin. Place a small fan over the heat sinks and temperature dropped to just slightly warm.

On the Q16 heat sink, I used thermal grease to "glue" the heat sink in place and scrap pieces of aluminum and epoxy to keep it from moving. Plastic might be safer. The anchor points are the top of the memory connector and bottom of the cpu socket just underneath the enable the release mechanism to continue to slide. It still runs hot and would benefit from a small fan. I don't have time right now; but, during Christmas break, I might look at mounting a small 486 CPU fan somewhere. Thinking about cutting the heat sink just above Q16 and having it blown on the heat sink I installed.

11-29-2000 09:48:35

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) SnackPack
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Programmer... have you touched the top of Q16? In my opinion, that is hot. I woudn't want to touch it again. :)

SnackPack

11-29-2000 13:17:35

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) Programmer
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hot(V) should imply electrically hot (as in with voltage); if you'd like, I'll retype the whole thing so it makes sense for you.. :)
11-29-2000 13:58:22

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) SnackPack
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Ok, I got ya... but I knew that already. The only thing I was worried about with the heatsink is if it were jolted loose or something where it would short something else out, like a nearby resistor or something.

Anyhow, I'll get this installed tomorrow when I get my new 128 RAM chip, and post my results then.

SnackPack

11-29-2000 14:06:39

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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Programmer: the side facing up on Q16 is plastic so of course it is not electrically hot. I think most people know that most types of plastic do not conduct electricity. As for 18 volts being anywhere near Q16 that is false. The large metal tab on Q16 is at 3.5 volts.

Good cooling is a big part of getting these high speed CPU to run reliably. You need to get the air in and out the best way you can. For me that means a 1.5" hole in the back for the CPU fan and large slots in the RF Shield across the top to match the plastic grille. I have had my K6-III+ up to 550MHz without much of an increase in temp from the sensors.

11-29-2000 14:21:58

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) WanneBe
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I think some confusion here is from one of the cooling solutions which attached a heat sink to a leg of Q16.

The heat sink became electrically hot.

I would speculate that the heat sink was attached to the leg either as an anchor point or that it was the most efficient way to remove heat from Q16 since heat flows better through the metal pins than through the plastic shell. I was told, but never verified, that laptops employ a similar approach to cooling. Heat is dissipated through the CPU pins and throughout the motherboard.

The thermal adhesive is a good idea. Epoxy and anchoring arms took a while to fabricate and probably isn't as secure; but it is a lot cheaper ( material cost only...time and material probably came to $200!) and looks gnarly. If the heat sink on Q16 is tall, it can be easily filed down. I left it slightly high and put some thermal grease on the top of the fins hoping that it would make some thermal contact with the stock heat sink.

11-29-2000 17:26:00

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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Okay so I am dredging up an old post...I an running winME but the problem is the same.

I just did the SW1 and SW2 mod. Have a V4 and was already running a 300 K6-2 at stock speeds (200) (voltage DIP switches are already installed)

The fastest I can get it to post now is 266 or 274, only 66 an 70 mhz, only 3, 3.5, 4, clock multipliers.

Booting is a different deal. Can boot to the C: prompt at 266 or 274.

At those speeds windows reboots.

Can boot windows at 233.

Of course Q16 is hot as hell, I have a heat sink attached to the top, and that is hot!

Where do I go from here?

Mick


http://www.geocities.com/mr_bubba_zanetti/
02-25-2001 23:30:21

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, enexpected reboots (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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Oh yea, have been running the Lasagna fan, using the carved up heatsink to hold the IBM hard drive.
02-25-2001 23:33:18

New MessageRE:Linux, K6-III - 266, unexpected reboots (modified 0 times) starfish
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Thanks for not starting a New Thread.

I would Guess, The Power needed for a K6-2 is more than the K6 III+
I would suggest the 10 watt Cooling Resistor Hack.

02-26-2001 00:50:26

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