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Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15

New MessageAnother AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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Hello, to popular demand and my email being flooded, I've decided to start another and final (for me) amd mod group buy. This should enable you to run the amd cpus for higher performance.

The cost is $15 and it covers shipment through a regular evelope. You guys know the disclaimer. Since this is a community group buy, if for ANY reason your set doesn't get to you, that's just too bad, and you have to blame it on bad luck or your faite. I can only say that I'll again try my best, but if the buy doesn't go through for ANY reason, then oh well. As you know, the last buy went fairly well with just 1 guy getting his set chewed up in the mail machine and getting a special delivery plastic see-through bag for whatever was left from, which in that case were bits of his letter. the other 17 kits seem to went through fine.

Anyhow we're going with the same parts at before they are:

2- DIP Switch half pitch 4 Position - - - 766-1134 (To populate SW2 and SW1)

From Digikey:
1- 0.012 ohm, 1 watt, 1%, 2512 (size) - - P12MCT-ND (To Replace R302)
1- 25K resistor - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -P24.9KHCT-ND (To Replace R342)
2- 100K resistor- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - P100KHCT-ND (For R343)
2- 47k resistor - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - P47.5KHCT-ND(For I dont know yet)
1 - 500K pot for R202 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3006P-504-ND (To Replace R202 to have adjustable vcore)

Since only 20 kits would be available, this is how we're going to do it. you guys post onto this board how many kits your getting so we all can keep track, then go to paypal.com and send me $15 for each kit to account studmufn@hotmail.com , include your mailing address. In a few days i will tally up the numbers and make the purchase and you should see your kits shortly after i receive it.

For anyone sending me funds after the 20th set been said to be purchased will have a delay in getting their money back through paypal cause i still need to attach my banking account to it in order to send money since i've gone through it's limit. I'll also post to let you know when no more kits are being offered, but i doubt if that would be as current as it would be if you all just say how many your buying on this post and each of us can figure out how many is left.

okay, in short, post here how many your buying, then send $15 to my account.

Thanks and have a great day.

-ASPguy

11-26-2000 14:27:21

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) pburg
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I want 1 kit.

pburg

11-26-2000 16:09:15

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) parasyght
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i want 2 kits.
parasyght..
11-26-2000 16:14:34

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) dr_steve
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I want two kits.

Thanks!

-Steve

11-26-2000 16:20:35

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) kuyote
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Please sign me up for one.

Thanks,

kuyote

11-26-2000 21:22:20

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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I'm in for 5 kits.
r_fl_z@hotmail.com
11-26-2000 21:40:33

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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i'm in for 2 kits

berinc@acadia.net

11-26-2000 23:40:57

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) SnackPack
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gimme one.

lebsack@mac.com

11-27-2000 01:23:19

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) cedric1
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Sign me up for 1.

hendrimp/cedric

11-27-2000 09:28:23

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) JIOU
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I'm in for 2 kits

JIOU

11-27-2000 09:46:11

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) PhotonWarrior
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I would sign up for one if someone can tell me where the processors can be purchased. Are they still available?
11-27-2000 11:47:08

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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Up to this time 11/27/00 12:44 P.M, pacific standard, I've just received funds for 8 kits. So there are 12 kits left.

I went ahead and made the purchase of 20 kits, so either way, we're going to get them and not have a coup-de-tat from someone buying out all of our items from digikey or allied at the last moment.

I'm taking 3 kits for myself, so there are just 9 kits left.

-ASPguy

11-27-2000 13:47:21

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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update. another kit bought. so now we have just 8 kits left.

you can purchase the amd cpu 333 mhz afk chip for $30 at only this fry store. they deliver.

I've counted and there were something like 16 kits posted here being wanted but yet i've received just 9, hope you do the paypal thing , because that is what i go by.

Thanks again,

-ASPguy

SUNNYVALE

1077 East Arques Avenue (408) 617-1300
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11-27-2000 13:51:50

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) cedric1
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PayPal seems to be down -- at least for me. I've been trying it on and off for a few hours.

cedric1

11-27-2000 20:13:48

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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18 kits have been accounted for. there are just 2 kits left.
the guy that is buying an iopener from me as well as the guy that can only pay buy money order, you guys orders are already included.

so, there are just 2 kits left as of this posting.

I've already called in and ordered the 20 kits and should arrive within a week.

Post here before if your getting a kit, then do the paypal thing right after so others wont continue to send funds over to the account. Have a great day.

-ASPguy

11-28-2000 03:06:34

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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As of now, all the 20 kits have been purchased.
For those who missed the buy, sorry. We'll see if another one can be started once there is more shipment in on the dip switches of which allied would be out of after this order.

I had already made the orders yesterday so they should arrive within ups ground which is a week, then i'll have it mailed out to each of you that participated.

This is an exciting time for our community for there are more of us modifying and pumping up the iopeners. Hopefully this will lead to more of us hacking the system so that it can run at a much faster speed.

Turbo3 had gotten his iopener to run 500+mhz, it may have been 550, but it runs with the back cover on, this is great. The amd 333 mhz is still the choice if you don't want to go through with the extra mods for cooling on q16 and so forth.

Take care, and pray that u.s. postal machine doesn't eat up your package. It did for 1 individual of the last buy.

-ASPguy

11-28-2000 12:37:43

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) parasyght
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did you send them yet? i cant hold my horses, i just cant wait!!!
12-07-2000 01:10:38

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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What a coincidence, i just barely finished packaging the kits in their envelopes and you asked. Anyhow.. these are the people who the envelope are addressed to. I'll have it sent out tommorrow, Thursday morning. Make sure to pray cause where ever or whatever happens from then till after tommorrow.. is well.. Faite.

L. Cox, B. Ujvary, D. Barnes, S. Nakanishi, M. Hendricksen, A. Lebsack, P. Hanson, Michael Nolte, another purchaser who paid by Money order which i'll get your address from the envelope left at work then send it off that morning too.

There was 2 other people who I could not find addresses for, I've sent emails to you asking for mailing addresses. If you can email it to me, I'll have the packages sent asap. your names are D. Rainbolt, and R. Auer.

Well that pretty much sums it up. this buy went pretty smooth which the exception that i undercounted and we were 1 kit short which i just took 1 of mine, replaced it, and bit the bullet.

As you know.. please dont' contact me unless you're sending me more money or asking questions that doesn't pertain the this buy. I've just got through selling off 10 of my 13 iopeners and finally getting my freedom back for some R&R. Take care, and god (or budha) bless each one of you.

-Anthony aspguy

12-07-2000 02:17:17

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Got this from ASPguy:
Another guy just wanted to make a 5 kit purchase from me, i told him i don't have enough strength to start another buy. man am i tired.
I'm sending your kits in 2 envelope. 2 kits in 1, another 3 in the other.
so that if the mailing machine or whatever happens to your envelope you won't loose everything.
don't ask me for special delivery, i'm too tired to go to the postal office to put it into a special box, etc etc. heh
I'm mailing the kits off with envelope and stamp to every one.

THAT doesn't sound good. I hope I'm not risking $75 only to lose it to poor packaging. Please pack them to survive the trip.
Thanks

12-07-2000 03:25:27

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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You're just unbelievable.

It would have been nice for you to have asked me for a special delivery packaging prior to this morning, the day that kits go out. I sent you that email(this morning) as a courtesy to ask for your mailing address as well as splitted your order into 2 envelopes so that your chances of loosing all are less. To my suprise you wrote back to me demanding that I send it through another shipping method. And even to a bigger suprise you've tried to smear me from your top post.

It's stated at the first post of the group buy that "The cost is $15 and it covers shipment through a regular evelope". Maybe you've missed this, and maybe you wouldn't have made your orders if you knew they were going out through a regular envelope, and i definately would not have taken your order if it meant that i had to make a trip to the post office, make a special package, and sent it off. This was well known, that i'll do another group buy for those who missed out on the 1st buy under conditions. The conditions are that whatever happens to the kits, from the start of me ordering it to whenever, if they ever to get lost, or whatever that we as a group would bit the bullet and take our chances on faite. That we are all in this together as a group buy. I'm here just as a collector putting this thing together. Still, if you had asked for a special packaging, i 'may' have said it was okay. But you never even asked until this morning after waking up and checking my email hoping that you've sent your mailing address but also suprised of your demand.

Why am i not willing to go out of my way (especially when demanded of me) at going to the u.s. postal and have it sent out? You have to see what I go through to get this buy together.

-get the right parts list, confirm it's availability
-post on the board and wait for buyers to post back.
-wait for funds to arrive in paypal
-even if funds dont all arrive, to put up my money to pre-order kits(20) so it's available
-Put my credit card on the line (i was charged $75 for error shipping on the last buy, refund, but i haven't seen it credited yet)
-Wait for the kits to all arrive, confirm that it's the correct parts(last buy was a disaster, we received the wrong dip switch that created a 3 week delay)
-then, check this out, i have to cut the resistors out of their rows, then i have to mark each one for what resistance they are. Then i have to take each tiny part, put them into plastic envelopes that I had cut up, then tap it.
-envelope preparation includes getting the address from paypal, verifying who purchase which, then writing out their addresses on the envelopes.
-Go and purchase stamps, then send them off.

All the purchases besides yours and the guy who paid me with a money order (can you email me your mailing address?) have been sent this morning.

Now to have to take time to go to a u.s. postal office to fill out and go through the process of doing a special package is going out of my way i rather choose not to do. Still if you had asked before, i could have been convinced. You still may have had some understanding if you had "asked" me to send it off this morning instead of demanding me and then going to this board in attempt to smear me.


I could easily say that it's your tough luck you didn't read that the kits were going out in envelopes. But i'm a man of compromise. I really didn't want to make this a big deal. On my way to work, I asked if it was just better to pay for the special packaging (you didn' even sent me money for shipment) and have it sent and over with. But after seeing

-how I didn't even have your mailing address till this morning
-how you didn't let me know that you wanted a special delivery until after i had to contact you for your mailing address this morning
-how you've emailed me back demanding for a special mail
and
-how you've attempted to smear me on this board

I've decided not to do you a favor. After all, that is what your asking of me, to do you a favor.

Still i'm a fair man. So I will let the people decide if I should go out of my way to make a visit to the u.s. postal and have the kits specially sent to you. By the way, the kits are ready for a regular envelope delivery whenever you ask for it, they're sitting at my computer.

So, I ask the people of this community to help me decide on this event. Should i go out of my way and do him a favor after what he's said and demanded of me? Or should i simply leave his kits there awaiting for his approval on sending it off through the regular envelope that was originally indicated? Should i just send it off in the envelopes? Or should he instead go out of his way to have a special pickup delivery.


I'll tell you what, I'll let the people of this community decide on what I should do. So, that should give you some advantage.


My apologies to anyone including yourself if this post sound mean. I'm just releasing my tensions. Nothing personal.

So people, please vote on MY Fate as to weither I should go out of my way for him or not. This vote will end tommorrow, Friday at 5 p.m., which would give me enough time to make it to the u.s. postal to send off the package if he end up winning.

There will be no recount, and there will be no absentee ballots. God bless each one of you.

Let the voting begin!

12-07-2000 13:16:14

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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This is the email I got from him this morning after I woked up expecting to get his mailing address but to my suprise I also got this demand and saying that i was "lazy"


"Dude:

Don't allow this order to get messed up because you are too tired to package it properly. DO NOT simply place the components into envelopes. At least put them in a mailer...easily available at the local post office. I'd rather it be late that be lost.

Pack them properly to ensure they get here.

Thanks, "

12-07-2000 13:28:32

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) Programmer
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OK I'll Vote..

My say is that if he wants special shipment he should be the one to arrange to have it picked up from your door or work, and he should be the one to pay for any special packaging. I read the first post of this thread and found it to be very clear. If he wants to drop the whole matter and NOT recieve the Mod kits, I would think it fair in the name of misunderstanding to reimburse him his money AFTER someone else is found willing to purchase the modkits.

So Sayeth Me

12-07-2000 13:53:44

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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ASPGuy,

If I understand correctly, the gentleman paid for 5 kits at the full $15. I would have absolutely no problem with your shipping methods if you chose to send him Each Kit in its own envelope, since (as stated in the original post) the $15 covers US Postage. Putting multiple kits in an envelope increases the potential loss should an envelope arrive damaged or not at all.

It would also help calm fears if you state that the parts are being sent in a mini-container within the envelope (folded up inside a sheet of paper would probably do), instead of scattered around in actual envelope itself. Envelopes are thin, and mailing machines often dog-ear the corners of envelopes. With surface-mount parts being so small, it's very easy for a torn envelope to lose all of its contents. I'd be fearing this scenario the most, since the envelopes are (I'm assuming) uninsured.

I fully respect the service you're doing for the I-Hacker community, ASPGuy.. and I understand the headaches involved -- I once considered shipping the AMD K63's from Fry's, since the Sunnyvale location is a block from my home.

I also understand where this guy is coming from. You've done everything to exonerate yourself from blame if the contents don't arrive due to the Postage Methods... yet, you don't offer any other methods of shipping.

My suggestion... why not add a $10 handling fee, in addition to the actual shipping fee, to calm peoples' fears, and if they really insist on special delivery, you get some compensation for giving special attention to their orders?

12-07-2000 15:16:09

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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Wild_pencil,

I recognize your solution, it is compromising and fair for me.

I am more than willing to ship each kit in it's own envelope.


True, it would sound reasonable to offer other shipping methods. Evenso, I never said I wouldn't do it, i rather indicated that i wanted to stray away from it. If the truth be known, i probably wouldn't even have started another buy if i knew i had to make a visit to the u.s. postal and arrange special packages. The buy was suppose to be simple, and cheap, and that is why it is delivered in an envelope. I highly doubt if many people would be willing to pay the extra postage and handling plus compensate me for the time to get it to the post office. If postage was $6, I would feel dissatisfied if my labor cost was anything less than $20/kit. I rather not go to the u.s. postal at all. That was the reason why I indicated in the first buy as well as this, the 2nd buy that the contents will be packaged a "plastic bag" and put into an envelope. The contents are packaged in a small plastic bag, they shouldn't fall out of the envelope. People would know the contents since they've signed up for the list.

I don't want to sound stubborn though my posts may seem so. I guess i'm just stating an arguement. Hope no one takes this in any other sense but an opportunity for me to just say whatever comes to mind.

Programmer, I think your opinion is fair.

12-07-2000 16:13:56

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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ASPguy:

Chill dude, NO ONE is flaming you. Don't pull out your cap gun and do a 187 on me because you feel disrespected. lol

I simply commented that sticking the loose components in a letter envelope is an irresponsible method of packaging them. I'm an adult, and charging me $1.00 extra for a mailer that will protect the shipment is NOT going to upset me. Losing a $75 order because you are "to tired" to pack it properly would.

Your previous comments led me to believe that you've already had problems, since before you've even mailed them you've warned me TWICE that "whatever happens happens..it's otta my (your) hands".

All efforts in getting the parts IS appreciated. I would also appreciate receiving the parts. Smile, life is not that difficult. :)

12-07-2000 16:21:09

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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What makes you think that it would cost you only $1 ? You may have gotten postage right, but not the handling.. my handling will put you back by at least $100 because that is the minimal i charge per hour for my time in web development.

It's not about the money, not at all, eventhough money may give me a drive to overcome my "tiredness" to go to the u.s. postal to do a special shipping for you, still it's about convenience. At the time being, for me to make a visit to the u.s. postal for reasons of yours is a high cost. much more than $1.

When I indicated that i was too tired, it was meant as too tired to go out of my way to go to the post office and send it out in another package. It was not too tired to uphold my obligations to send out in the envelope (proper) that was initially indicated. I had emailed that message to you prior to even knowing that you or anyone else may had wanted any other delivery besides the regular envelope.

Mailing it through the envelope is not "improper" packaging. This was was said at the first post. You don't go charging the ups guy with "improper" packaging if he hand delivers it instead of having the U.S. presidential 1200 secrete service delivering it (exaggeration). I am not sending it in any other way than the one initially disposed.


If you had asked me about doing a special package, even if it is at the last moment like this morning, i still would have talked to you about it. But instead, you demand that I do it. You also incorrectly related my tiredness to sending the shipment out improperly, in this case the special shipment you wanted but did not disclosed to me until this morning. So therefore, saying that our group envelope shipping method is improper compared to the special packaged mail that you wanted me to do out of my time as well as did not provide funds for.

Anyhow, as I said prior, if the people here see it in your views.. i will go to the u.s. postal, put it into a special package, then send it off.... I'll even pay for the shipement.. on me.

But if they find that I should not do the favor, then all that i'm obligated is to send each kit in it's own envelope, which would minimal the chance of it getting chewed up in the mailing machine.

Don't take this personal, let's just say, you were rude, and so am i. we're all fair here.

So, let the vote continue. Mucho Thanks to everyone.

12-07-2000 16:46:30

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) parasyght
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I'm so sick of hearing the word vote i could puke. Thanks for send the mod kit. Can we call this the "I-Appliance affair"? :)
12-07-2000 17:11:31

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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ASPguy: why don't you conduct this discussion via email?

Copy of my email to ASPguy follows:

SM:

Greets. Dude, no one is busting your balls.

As I've already said (BBS), I do appreciate your efforts in putting the packages together. I simply said I'd like to see MY shipment packaged securely enough to survive the automated letter processing equipment.

While you may think the envelope method is ok for a single shipment, it's pretty obviously not for multiple kits. I'm not asking for the world, just common sense. Stick some cardboard in it, wrap it up good with tape,....whatever. It doesn't require a special trip to the post office. If its a little thicker than normal, because you've packed it properly, just put 2-3 extra stamps on it. Charge me $5 for shipping. WHATEVER! :)

Moral of the story: Its one thing to lose a $15 order, it's another to lose a $75 order. I'm less concerned with paying a reasonable shipping charge than I am with loosing the parts.

Do what you think is right. If already shipped, that's cool, fingers crossed, and time will tell. If not, any attention to security that you could muster is MUCH apprecaited.

Any disrespect you perceived on the BBS was just that; perceived, and unintentional.

Let me know if/when they ship.

ALL efforts appreciated,

Best regards,

Ron


Now I guess my question to you is: what will make you happy? Since you seem to have issue with the cost of proper packaging, not the effort in it, what amount will make you happy? Will $5 shipping do it? Will $10 do it? Ok, I assume it will. I have issued $10 payment via PayPal to you. Check your account. Now, if we could kindly conclude this issue, we can get on with our so-called lives. In respect for the group, please respond via email. Thanks for your efforts, I absolutely do appreciate it. My goal in this is obvious to all parties.

As always, best regards,

Ron

12-07-2000 17:11:56

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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No one mislead you into any other shipping method besides the envelope way. You made your order, didn't indicate that you wanted any other method till this morning.


Now, you're asking me to put a personal touch to it. You miss the point here.. and that is, you're telling me to do something for you that is out of the predisclosed post of what I'll do in this buy as the organizer. Even if you think the envelope method is improper, no one here is to tell you otherwise. You have your own opinion , but fact stands you've made your purchase under the disclaim that it'll be sent with the envelope. Not once did you indicated another method till today.

What you want is one thing, what I'll do is another. I do stand by what I've said, i'm a man of my words. If you wanted any special handling then don't you think it's you should have tried to reason with me first instead of giving criticisms and demands?

When you say to use common sense, so you're saying that I lacked it? The envelope method works because it's cheap and doesn't put anyone liable which enables me to make the orders. It worked in the previous buy. There was just 1 person that had his kit chewed up for whatever reasons. He had 1 kit in the envelope.

From my understanding, your against the envelope method even if it's for 1 kit/envelope. You didn't disclosed your want in another shipping way before, and if you had, your orders would probably not have been accepted. So it's rather too late to demand it now.

I didn't ask you to send me the $10, after using a $4 package to send it off, what's left for me? $6?? You think $6 can hire me to make a trip to the u.s. postal? I'll tell you what, for a $100 for labor, and $4 for shipping, I will deliver the package for you.

If you can't win me through just asking nicely for favors, you can always try to buy my service.
You want special delivery right? There you go, that is what i'm charging. Just like my work, it's time spent, so the charge is not an over-exaggeration.

Otherwise, you can always stay here till 5 p.m. tommorrow, who knows.. I might end up paying going over to the post office and paying for the shipment myself. We'll see, where the vote go.

12-07-2000 17:35:29

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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This is getting funny.

It's pretty simple. You have two options:
1. ship the kits, collect the paid $85
2. choose not to ship, refund the $85

It's totally up to you. YOU have the power. YOU are da man. Make a choice, and perform. At this point I don't care which you do. End of discussion.

Best regards :)

12-07-2000 18:23:53

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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And when did i become responsible for selling your kits? As included in the first post, i not liable for lost, refunds or whatever.

do you, or do you not want the kits mailed through individual envelopes? I am not even responsible for holding onto your kits or for storage. so if you don't conclude, you may find the kits thrown out.. as i've said , do reread the group buy post. whatever you want afterwards are null. too late, kits have been purchased, there is no seller here to give you a refund.

if the other guy do get back to me about wanting to purchase your kits, i will try to make the transfer.

Man, don't piss me off, i'm giving you a chance to have it special packaged and shipped, otherwise, i'll just send them through the envelopes tommorrow singlely.

12-07-2000 18:44:13

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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I've had enough of you, no more mr. nice guy. the packages will be sent as indicated in the first post as in envelopes. I will send them in each envelope tommorrow. You're no more special than anyone else here, especially with your demands.
12-07-2000 18:48:26

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) northstar
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received today - envelope torn a bit however all the components are intact. Thanks for arranging this group buy!

-Paul

12-12-2000 20:42:06

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) shaxs
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ASPGuy,
I totaly side with you. Your first post was exact and had no hard time understanding it. Refund the 10 for extra shipping and ship it the way you want.
-Shaxs
12-16-2000 00:48:54

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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i ended up wisely choosing to send it off in a special shipment so that the entire ordeal was taken cared off without any residual effects.
12-17-2000 01:35:07

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) bit_flipper
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Greets all:

I wanted to update interested parties on the ASPboy saga. After waiting patiently for 30 days, and receiving no parts, I've been forced to take the next step. A fraud claim has been filed with PayPal for the recovery of my payments. Fortunately, PayPal differs with ASPboy's view that he is under no obligation to deliver the parts or a refund. This, of course, is exactly why payment was made with PayPal.

If, by chance, ASPboy experiences a sudden growth spurt, develops some integrity, and ships the components...I will withdraw the claim. Perhaps he can conduct another 'group vote' to enable him to decide how he should behave :)

Regardless of the outcome, I will post the results here.

Happy Holidays to all.

12-27-2000 14:48:40

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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odd that i haven't received any email regarding anyone who hadn't received their amd mod kit and here you go making your claim for the first time.
it is also strange that you refer to me as "aspboy". seems like there is something else beneath this besides your claim of not receiving a kit.

i doubt that you are one of the purchasers of the kit, for i hadn't received an email from you indicating that the kit hadn't arrived. why don't you show us all some light and indicate your name inititials so i can verify it in my paypal account. you don't even have to provide your full name. how about a first name and last name initials? or last name and first name initials?

paypal has a great service guaranteeing against fraud. you can claim as you may. but understand this, if you try to smear my name, and if it is intentional knowing that i hadn't commited fraud but rather you're playing a game. I will disclose you to the feds. capiche?

12-27-2000 15:28:44

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) bit_flipper
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ASPguy:

Yes, it is in fact ME :) RKA, though this identification proves nothing, since this information is available for public review in your earlier posts.

I really wish you'd realax. No one is trying to flame you. No one ever has. All I've ever done is REQUEST competent packaging.

I'd love to believe that the shipment is simply delayed in the Xmas traffic, however in order to be afforded PayPal fraud protection I must file within 30 days.

I've not continued to email you, since early in this exchange you ceased to respond to email.

Apologies to the BBS for this continued discusion.

Best regards

12-28-2000 19:40:09

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Opps, sorry for the confusion.

Previous message was posted from a friends computer :)

12-29-2000 01:05:00

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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SO IT'S YOU. I made a special packaging just to get rid of your riddance but still you manage to find ways to annoy me.

You're not very smart, your package wasn't sent in a regular envelope bot a special postal priority. I may have also purchase a ticket of receipt. you may well go to prison my friend if you indeed have received your package but made claims on this board that you didn't and is pursueing fraud claims.

I've talked to paypal, and as of tommorrow will look into talking to the United States Postal.

I have a feeling you have received your package but insist on playing games. You don't mess with the united states postal man. you just don't.

12-29-2000 03:41:35

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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ASPguy:

YES, it's 'ME'! hehe, lol

Sorry for the confusion, but I mistakenly posted from bit_flipper's machine.

As I've said, no one is messing with you. I truly hope you are being honest, and have actually sent the package. Nothing would make me happier than to conclude this matter. I would have waited longer before contacting PayPal, but they require the claim to be made within 30 days of the order.

I have no idea what 'special' arrangements you may have made with the USPS. I'd appreciate your supplying the shipping information, as requested via email with no response from you. When and how was it sent?

Nothing has been delivered yet, but I'll post here if and when it does. No posts are made here to 'flame' you, but rather to inform others of your performance.

Take a chill pill (read prozak) and lets conclude our business.


I have no animocity towards you.

12-29-2000 04:09:59

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Greets:

SUCCESS! ASPguy has actually responded to an email (repeated below for your continued amusement).

I'll allow all parties to draw their own conclustions about the maturity and integrity of this kid. I have no comments except to restate my intention to pursue recovery of my payments (assuming the parts don't show up) via PayPal. Fortunately, I am protected from exactly this behavior.

I won't degrade this BBS with any additional name calling, preferring to allow the fraud recovery process to run it's course.

Best Wishes and Happy Holidays to All !

ASPguy's email, repeated in full: (a sad comment on too much TV watching in America)

Listen, i've told you that i've sent your orders through priority service with the u.s. postal office 1-3 days later than the other peoples kits because of the delay by you.

You very well know that there isn't anyone here to take blame for anything that happens to your kits. That was the condition of the group buy that was posted. No one would have taken your offer if they had known they would have to guarantee anything. this is a group buy, we all share the risks and we made that notice before hand.

I've sent my proposal into the the united states postal office. and what i've told them is what i've told you. that i've sent your kits and that you've stated that you haven't received and pursue to make fraud claims with paypal.com against me.


you and i very well know that your taking advantage of paypal.com fraud protection, but you dont' know that they do do a thorough investigation. if you indeed didn't get your kits, then that's just tough luck. as so was posted in the group buy. no one force you to purchase it, and there is no one here to guarantee anything for you. that is why it was priced at $15.

i don't believe you will win this case. your digging yourself into trouble with the government as well as paypal.com. i suggest you either realize that your kits are lost, or give up the game your playing. you can very well end up being sued for more than just what your trying to claim from me.

This is my notice to you. Eventhough I understand that you are obligated by paypal.com to contact me "prior" to you making a fraud claim, I do want any other email dealing with anything else from you. i dont want your opinions and i don't want any statements that are redundant from the matter of the kits. your emails of course likewise are being saved.

i find you to be offensive and am harrassed by your emails and posted statements. though i come short from completely telling you to stop sending emails, i do leave it open so paypal.com policy can be followed in that you needed to try contact me to solve this situation.

You still have not emailed to let me know that you've filed fraud claim charges to me. you need to do this right, and tell me what your intention are otherwise it's not legit with paypal. What i've seen is another nick making the fraud claim on a post, then you stating that the above post was yours, which could have been any other post above yours.

evenso, i've acted and had talked to paypal.com as well as the united states postal office. now, i wouldn't lie to the u.s. and risk getting in trouble would i? think about it, if you truelly think that i didn't ship your kits out, why would i put myself in record with the u.s. postal? at most you may steal $75 from me, but your cost is that you can very be sued or put in prison for making faulse fraud claim.

so from now on, do not continue to email to me any issues not pertinent to the issue of your claim with paypal. i do not welcome any other discussion with you.

Anthony

******EOM********

12-30-2000 19:57:58

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) Epsilon1
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Is it really worth all this hassle over a lousy $15 bucks????
12-30-2000 21:12:03

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) Johnson
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If there is a way of buying one of your mods I would love one...and I promise not to complain..he he

Johnson

12-31-2000 01:21:20

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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ASPguy,
Send me his paypal account and I will pay him the $15. If he gets his parts too then great.
12-31-2000 02:27:17

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Unfortunately, it's not $15. I ordered 5 kits, then paid $10 more for shipping, so it's $85.

Still hardly worth it. :)

12-31-2000 04:02:57

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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Thank you aspguy i did get my 2 kits just fine, BUT I will point out that an comen leter and a small plastic bag are not the best means for mailing these parts.

there where holes all thew the envelope including some holes on the plastic bag which matched upto some of the holes on the envelope. So i'd strongly recomend using a cardboard envelope, theres no price diference but the parts are much safer.

there was only one part that wasnt in the little bag and was loose in the paper envelope. i believe the prob is the 500k pots are so large that they catch on things in the mail sorting systems.

To be honist I think a better method of shipping would have been advised due to the number of people that have recived beat up packages. a cardboard envelope of the same size would have cost the same BUT would be much safer for the parts. Due to this fact every audio or serial mod I sell ALWAYS goes in a small priority maile cardboard BOX with foam penuts. and a static bag :) mainly becuase I like to be at ease of mind and I'm more then shure the people reciving the units want the same thing :).

speaking of mod's jeeez I SPEND $200 last week on max235 chip's and thats only 12 chip's come monday i got to order an other 12 at $16 a piece.

12-31-2000 08:42:57

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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I recently received my mod kit from dr_steve's group buy, nicely packed and fully intact in a small priority mail box as mp3boombox described. If there is an interest, I will set up a group buy as a small way of giving back to the folks on the BBS who have given so much to make this whole thing work. If you are interested, drop a line to bubbadog56@ev1.net and let me know. I will keep you updated as to interest and progress.

*As a note, these mods should only be attempted by someone who is comfortable around printed circuit boards and the removal and soldering of fine pitch surface mount components. If not, you will probably do irrepairable damage to your i-opener.*

B'Dog

12-31-2000 10:44:59

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) starfish
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I am Interested in The New Turbo3 Mod with The LARGE Power Resistors.
I am Not Sure what The New Proper Kit Would Be.
He posted something in the Middle of one of the Group Buys about going in a New Direction.
I will have to Look @ Old Posts Unless He (or BADFLASH) Chimes in
& tells us Again What We Should be Doing Today !
or if anyone sees the post, post the Link or just bump it back up to the Top.
12-31-2000 12:19:34

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) bosco_lover
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Hello to all:

I've been watching this travesty for some time now, as I suppose many have. I've been amazed at the tolerance being shown toward this ASPguy dork. All r_f_l_z ever did was pay his money for the advertised product, and request that it be packaged adequately. ASPguy TOTALLY over reacted. Now, after being stupid enough to threaten this guy in public with the loss of his parts, he has made it very easy to believe that he has probably not shipped them. He's willing to threaten lawsuits, federal prosecution, and voo-doo curses...all of which simply demonstrates his ignorance of the law. Anything to avoid keeping his word.

In my opinion, it does the BBS a dis-service to tolerate this behaviour. He is, essentially, abusing the trust of the group. He IS obligated to deliver the parts as advertised, regardless of his little 'disclaimer'. This guy has been tolerant of your juvenille behavior, and deserves his parts.

Need a vote to determine how you should behave responsibly??? I vote: SHIP HIM HIS PARTS.

Bosco For All :)

12-31-2000 20:19:48

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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Dear friends,

Thank you for your sincere offer of help, Turbo3 et al.

I will say to you as i've told him, paypal, and the united states postal office, that i had went out of my way to personally go off to the post office to ship his kits in a special "priorityservice package" 1-3 days after the rest of the other kits were shipped out with the original agreed upon white envelope. This was around the beginning of December. No one else asked for any other method of shipment, and i didn't receive his demand for a different shipment other than the white envelope until after the kits were ready to go.

As you may read above, i was disturbed from the demand as well as tardiness of the request for a different method of shipment. Still, towards the end, i thought to myself that it would be wise to do a special shipment for him, just so that there wouldn't be a reason for him to continue to bother me.

Everyone else's kits were sent with a regular envelope. No one here including myself deny the risks of this shipping method. But this is what we agreed upon at the beginning, no one disagreed or offered any other ideals. That was probably so that we could keep the price low.

I will defend my case with paypal.com. I may loose this case for in their fraud policy it stated that the sender is responsible for showing proof of shipment. I am 90% sure that i had purchased a tracking number for the receipt of his shipment thinking to myself at the time that i had better. But unfortunately, i had thrown it away, i cleared out anything physical as well as my email pertaining to the group buy so that i can have some R&R.

I wrote to the post office asking if they can relocate my receipt.

I do not plan in reimbursing the individual even if his package had not arrived. i still believe today as at the beginning that this is a group buy. We've stated before that no one here is to take responsibility for anything that goes wrong, not anyone who purchased the kits, not the person who organized it.. that would be me. The disclaimer was posted, i believe this individual knew of it, and he did posted comments on this post asking for the kits.

At most, paypal.com may force me pay him $85 plus the cost of the kits that our money went towards putting it together.

The $85 plus cost would not be a burden on me, what has been are the attacks i've received.

I would feel much better, if later I'm found to have to pay him, that for anyone especially those who were in the group buy take a piece of this attack levied on me. So that we all will be affected by this event, and come together to support one another and what we want and feel is right. And will show to him and everyone else that an attack on one of us of the group buy is an attack on all of us as a group.

If i loose, i will put up a post asking for your support of sending $1 to $5 to my paypal.com studmufn@hotmail.com account. And will post again to let you know once the $85 have been covered. Don't worry about not being able to afford sending to me more money. A $1 is all I need to feel better that we all here support each other and that any fraud accusation on the group buy is an accusation towards all of us. I can and will cover the rest of the monetary costs.


For anyone who has doubts about me not sending to him the 5 kits, I'll just tell you a little about myself to help you conclude your judgement.

I fell into this iopener hobby after reading about the hack from the city's newspaper. I kept on buying as they became available without intention of reselling them. I had naively thought about building and giving them to my friends and family. Shortly I found myself with too many appliances and with just a pair of hands, so the cost was now mostly about time as well as monetary for extra stuff needed for the mods.
At that moment I had accumulated:

15 iopeners
5 websurfers
1 webpal
5 ethernet adapters
and a whole mess of multiple things needed for each iopener. I also have 3 desktops at home, and countless at work. I work as a web developer, admin, person in charge, secretary, basically anything i can declare because it's a dot com startup. I wanted to free up more time to work on development so i started to sell off my iopeners. I'm down to just 3(not for sale :) ).

I restarted the 2nd group buy of the amd mod kit started by another fellow. Allied had overcharged me $69 for shipment(3 next day deliveries) and had said they would credit it towards my CC account. I received 1, and they were in the process of redoing the other 2. I'm surely they'll be good on their word.

Because of the substantial amount of people asking, needing, and waiting for me to start another buy so they can also get involved, i chose to start off my final group buy.

I don't think i would risk commiting a crime by not sending to him his kits and emailing the post office know that I had. Of course, since I paid the united states post office for it's services,
any accusation by that fellow of his shipments not arriving would involve the government. I just need to let them know that the other side claim the package had not arrived and the government will do the rest to assure themselves that they had actually delivered it. I've pointed this out to the fellow, that if he's playing a game, don't continue to, for it involve the government and can put him into deep trouble.

I had just came back from celebrating the New Year's at my brother in law's home up in San Jose California. He owns his own law firm and would laugh and tell me not to waste his time if i ever was to come to him with this problem if it spread uncontrollably further. I don't plan on getting any lawyers involved and i don't plan on asking my college friends who would have recently graduated from law school for advice. But i would think, hopefully not falsely, that my family and friends would come to my side in time of need.

I don't plan on filing suit on this individual. I advised him of potential consequences problems with the government and myself if he had continued what i felt was a false claim and harrasments upon myself.
I did not care for his opinions about me nor anything else not pertaining to the paypal.com situation. I understood that he is required to contact me under this policy to resolve the situation before filing the fraud claim. I've received his emails after seeing a post stating that the claim had been made. Still i've left my email open for him to write to as well as stated my stance on not reimbursing or sending to him another set of kits. I've continually had to warn him about what i felt as being harassment statements written in his email to keep such statements out. i've left my email open to him so he can fulfill the paypal.com policy. I dont' see why he would have to write to me further for i had stated my stance. I told him he is still able to for only issues on the paypal.com subject. I'll see how his next email includes.


I would like to thank everyone for having posted your support and at the same time share the frustration with those who are bothered that this event had happened.


Sincerely,

Anthony aka aspguy

p.s. if you click on bit_flipper and bosco_lover profile link above their messages you can see how recently and timely the nicks were created. This is part of why I believe he has received his kits and is playing games.

01-02-2001 00:20:33

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Anthony:

As I see it, we don't have a problem.

First: there is no such thing as: "special priorityservice package 1-3 delivery".

There is, however, a USPS "2-3 day priority" service...I'll assume that's what you meant.

Unfortunately, that service, while extremely reliable, is not trackable. This fact implies that your "I wrote to the post office asking if they can relocate my receipt" statement is more inexact misdirection. FYI, to make a convincing story, at least get the facts straight.

However, if you did send it that way, one of two things will happen: it will be delivered to me, or it will be returned to you.

Either way you are out nothing, so attempting to collect from the public to cover your imagined cost is laughable.

Your inexact description of your shipping, which differs from post to post, forces me to question your sincerity, but as I've done all along, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and stand patiently by, awaiting delivery of the kits.

As I've said before, no one is attacking you. No one has dissed you. No one on this BBS defines your self-image. I would recommend you check Websters (that's a dictionary) for the difference between DEMANDED and REQUESTED. I simply requested secure shipping. That's not an attack. Guess what...Paypal agrees.

Rely on logic, Grasshopper. Don't get upset. Life is WAY too short. TIME and/or PAYPAL will resolve this matter in a legal and responsible manner, even if you won't.

Hope you had a ROCKIN New Year celebration.

How 'bout those Husky's ??!!!!!

PURDUE '85 Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering here...gggrrrrrrr, hehehe

01-02-2001 01:52:45

New MessagePlease tell me someone is doing another mass order soon :( (modified 0 times) Johnson
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I finally have an opportunity to get my two V1 i-openers surface mount soldiered. Is anyone doing one soon?
Please please say yes :)
Thanks guys,

Johnson

01-24-2001 00:27:50

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) dr_steve
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Johnson --

Drop me a note. steveplatt@home.com. I'll be out of town from
tomorrow until Monday, but I may be able to help.

-Steve

01-24-2001 09:03:42

New MessageRE:Another AMD Mod Group Buy, starting 11/26/00, $15 (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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In an effort to protect the BBS population, I thought I'd post the results of Paypals investigation into ASPguy's group buy rip of my $85(discussed above). ASPguy took the money and ran, which is not a huge surprise. Paypal closed his account as a result of his idiocy. Even my offer of a free serial board was not enough to get him to keep his word. I'm sure he'll be lurking around under a new nickname.

Fair warning to all.

........Snip.........

PayPal has concluded the investigation of your Buyer Protection Claim. As
our policy states, we conducted this investigation on a best effort basis
and made no guarantee of funds recovery.

CLM#2701114
Transaction Amount:$75.00
Transaction Date:11/26/2000
Seller's Email:studmufn@hotmail.com
Seller's Name: Anthony Pham

Our investigation has revealed that the seller is at fault and as a result
you are due a refund. However, we regret to inform you that we were unable
to recover funds from the sellers account, as the seller's account balance
is $0.

02-26-2001 23:47:57

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