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New MessageParallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) Rick
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Does anyone know it the Logitech parallel port Quickcam works well in the
i-opener? I already have a linksys 10/100 network adapter taking up the USB
port and I would like to aviod adding another USB device.

-Rick

12-05-2000 00:19:48

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) Gouky
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it _will_ work, but it _will_ also take up all of your cpu time whileworking, the paralell port just is not made for ythat kind of bandwidth.

spliting your usb bandwidth would probably be a much better idea.

just my own humble oppinion,
Marc

12-05-2000 02:50:38

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) Programmer
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Or add the second usb port for 2 dedicated channels
12-05-2000 06:38:37

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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Come on...spend the 30 bucks and buy a hub.
12-05-2000 08:10:56

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) Programmer
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a hub doesn't get you a dedicated second channel, it merely shares the bandwidth of the first.
12-05-2000 12:09:10

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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What does a hub have to do with running a cam on the iopener while the usb port is used on an ethernet adapter?


was it difficult to add the 2nd usb port? i've read about it, but just wondered how much skills versus the amd mod does one need to do the usb mod. I wasnt able to do the amd mod, failed miserably at removing the r302 resistor? that thing won't come off. And the solder i would put on are ugly clumps. I'm suprised others can do it so cleanly. How on earth do you guys solder on those tiny resistors?

12-05-2000 12:11:27

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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I have run multiple devices off the USB hub, like Ethernet, CD cutter, and camera.

I doubt you would find a measureable bandwidth difference whether you had two separate USB plugs in your computer, or on the hub sharing one port.

The Iopener it self causes any slow down.

And I have had it on the Ethernet at the same time the camera was attached (actually video framegrabber). No difference whether it was direct or on the hub. Of course if you are transferring 300 megs of data at the same time as you are capturing video at 30fps...you may notice a problem...

Who am I kidding, you can't capture 30fps on the Iopener anyway.

12-05-2000 14:44:46

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) WanneBe
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YouBecha:

What are your settings for a USB frame grabber?

I tried to use a USB video capture device. The result was poor picture quality with lots of horizontal lines. This was done on a desktop with and AMD K6-2 500. A coworker had the same USB video capture device running on a AMD K6-2 450 and had the same problem.

I know very little about USB so what I'm stating are mostly assumptions and conclusions based on those assumptions.

Without digging deeply into it, we assumed that the capture device was not compressing and sending the equivalent of a bitmap for every frame. It would not be too difficult to fill the theoritical USB 1.1 bandwidth of 12 MBits/S. Not including overhead, this is not much faster than ethernet. Prior to this, I always assumed USB had plenty of bandwith.

I was wondering if we erroneously concluded that the USB could be a bottleneck for video capture. If the assumption was correct, then running a video camera could load down the USB bus. I don't know much about the inner workings of a USB hub; but, If my assumption that the cable from the USB port to the hub conforms to USB 1.1 is correct, then adding a hub increases the number of ports but does not increase the bandwidth. Running a camera and ethernet adapter on the same USB bus via a hub might not be such a good thing to do, especially if the ethernet bus has lots of traffic.

If I'm incorrect in any way, blast away!!! : )

12-05-2000 17:11:26

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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WannaBe,

I have to agree with your assumptions...however in this case there are already bottlenecks in the computer.

If you are trying to use all the USB devices at once, then according to the math you should notice a slowdown.

I am just saying that, I have not seen it yet.

The only item I would be worried about is my USB cd burner. But I was also careful with my IDE cd burner.


I have a little network to share the printer, and internet connection. If I am moving a large number of files (or large files) over the network (10M) I get overloads on the Ethernet hub. If I was also capturing video at the same time, I am sure I would see some slowdown...but I get slowdown anyway when I move a lot of data.


I am not saying don't add the other USB port, I think it would be handy, but I am saying that the powered USB hub is just as good for most people's purposes.


On a different note, I have the USB framegrabber that comes with the X10 Wireless Camera.

The camera is low res, but it is light and small, and wireless. The Frame grabber does way better than I would expect. My system again is the bottleneck (400 K6-2 64M ram). But I got a real neat video while the camera was mounted to a remote controlled toy...when I converted it to Video CD and played it on my DVD player, it was better than playback on the computer.

12-06-2000 07:16:24

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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I quess I can't modify my previous message.

Anyway, right now as we speak, I have a Netmeeting connection via ethernet between this computer, and the Iopener. This computer is using the USB framegrabber, and just sending TV video and audio.
The Iopener is using the Kodak DVC323 USB camera, and is connected via USB ethernet card.

Not a scientific test, but I am nowhere near the bandwidth limit of the USB hub.

12-06-2000 08:18:47

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) WanneBe
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That's funny...I did the same thing with my X10 camera and an RC car.

My guess is NetMeeting is a little bit more sophisticated than a series of screen dumps. It probably scans and sends only changed pixels to reduce data on the network. The camera and video capture might be doing the same thing. My video capture might be too cheap to be very efficient.

Another test of the bandwidth limit would be to run the video capture on one port and the camera on the other and see if there's any effects. Then, run both through the hub and see if there's any difference. This could still be inconclusive because the CPU or TWAIN driver could be the bottle neck.

12-06-2000 20:14:48

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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the X10 camera is a blast.
12-07-2000 07:14:56

New MessageRE:Parallel Port QuickCam (modified 0 times) Programmer
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Try this; it fails on my wifes machine

1) play back a DVD from a file share over the USB ethernet (yes I know it ghosts horribly but it does use plenty of bandwidth)
2) move the USB mouse around

you'll notice that the mouse hangs frequently and stutters constantly.

you can also replace 1) with scan an image at high resolution over a USB flatbed scanner


2 reasons why you didn't break your bandwidth testing with netmeeting.
the USB VideoCams send compressed data at a low resolution (they make some that work on parallel ports as well); Netmeeting sends compressed video. The limiting factor for both of these is CPU power as you are dealing with compression.

12-07-2000 07:46:29

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