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BIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash

New MessageBIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash (modified 0 times) thecounts
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BadFlash,
The following was clipped from the "VIA 4in1 Drivers" thread. I was hoping you'd read it there and give your opinion, but since you never posted an opinion on it I thought I'd post it as a seperate thread as a question to you. My apologies to others who've read the thread elsewhere.....

Both before and after I installed the new 4-in-1 drivers I can see the VIA Bus Master PCI IDE controller and both the primary and the secondary IDE controllers in Device Mangler. The VIA Bus Master and the secondary both say they are working OK, only the Primary says its not present or doesn't have all of its drivers installed. Naturally, the performance tab shows drive C: using MSDOS compatability mode before AND after the new drivers installation.

I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling it, both with and without a reboot in between, and I've tried doing it both ways in safe mode and in standard mode. I tried disabling the Secondary, disabling the Primary, disabling both, and enabling both - always the same result - the Primary has the SPLAT and says its not present or doesn't have all its drivers installed. I tried using regedit to hunt down and delete all references to PCI IDE controllers (dual FIFO) in the registry. I tried wiping the drive and installing Windows 98SE from scratch. At that point the situation was the same as its always been - a mysterious problem with the Primary PCI IDE controller (dual FIFO).

After all this I saw the post about switching the PNP/PCI from auto to manual and setting IRQs 14 & 15 to Legacy ISA mode, so I tried that too - even though it doesn't make sense to me how setting the IRQ for a PCI device to Legacy ISA mode could work. After rebooting the problem still wasn't corrected so I tried reinstalling the drivers with IRQs 14 & 15 in Legacy ISA mode anyway, and once again, after rebooting the problem is still there.

At this point I am totally at a loss - I've tried everything I know - including redetecting the drive, changing every IDE/PCI/hard drive setting in the BIOS, and installing/uninstalling the drivers in every sequence and mode I can think of. Everything seems to work fine, just the drive read/write operations are noticably slower than they should be - just like you would expect if its operating in compatability mode. I've even downloaded the pictures of ckbone's BIOS setup screens and tried setting mine up just like his. When that didn't make any difference I tried un-installing and re-installing the drivers with his BIOS settings intact - still no change.

Have you got any other ideas? I bought this I/O "pre-hacked" (a 6.4 Gb Toshiba hard drive had been added) because it didn't cost any more to buy this one than it would have to buy an un-hacked I/O. a 6.4 gig drive, drive installation cable and adapter, hacked BIOS, etc. At this point I'm beginning to wonder; Could the BIOS itself be the problem? I don't know where the guy got it, whether he bought one, or hacked it himself or what. Have you ever seen/heard of an improperly hacked BIOS causing this kind of problem? Badflash, as our resident BIOS guru, what do you think? I'm fresh out of ideas about what's wrong and what the heck to do about it..........

04-04-2001 22:04:42

New MessageRE:BIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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The IOPENER only has a single IDE channel. The 4in1 driver defaults to 2. Go into the device mangler and delect the hard drive controller and select it for a single IDE. Worked for me.
04-05-2001 10:26:22

New MessageRE:BIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I reinstalled the new 4-1n-1 drivers and just like Badflash said, it defaulted to a primary and a secondary ide controller. (I didn't notice this the first time) Removing the secondary (setting to primary only) and rebooting fixed the problem. If this doesn't work on your board, I wouldn't waste any more time......Buy a new BIOS chip from Badflash. At least you'll have that base covered. From your description of the problem, it sounds like you have a BIOS version slightly incompatable with your board version.
04-05-2001 16:10:57

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Badflash, as I mentioned in my post I tried the following with these results (in Device Mangler);

primary only - still got the SPLAT on the Primary - VIA Bus Master OK drive C: in compatability mode

secondary only - no SPLAT but drive C: in compatability mode

both enabled - SPLAT on the VIA Bus Master due to IRQ 15 conflict with USB & drive C: in compatability mode

both disabled - no SPLAT - no controller listed drive C in compatability mode

ckbone - I'm thinking the same way you are - some kind of BIOS problem - either wrong version or improperly hacked.

The I/O looks like an early V4 as best I can tell. RISE 266, BIOS originally gooped, no SW4 (or is it SW3 - the one next to the RAM slot?).

Badflash - what would be the best BIOS that you sell for my I/O if I were to order one from you? BTW now that netpliance is out of business are you still being as stringent about your EULA? I wrote you here instead of your website to enable you to retain "plausable deniability" if I end up needing to order one from you.............

04-05-2001 18:59:41

New MessageRE:BIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Once we got the V5 Patched (Thanks to Wild_Pencil) no more disclaimer was needed. The V5 Patched is Pure AWARD, no NPLI logos. You own an IOPENER, so you own the licence to the award software.

V5 patched works fine in all IOPENERS. I've got a V3, V4, V4B and had a V5 til I killed it all working with this bios.

04-05-2001 19:52:59

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Glad to hear that
1) The new patched V5 works with all versions and
2) The disclaimer is no longer neccesary - making false statements bothers me

However, I still have one question. In your expert opinion, based on my description(s) of the problem, is the BIOS in my I-O the most likely cause of my problem with the VIA IDE controller? I'm leaning that way, and ckbone seems to think so too. You still haven't expressed an opinion. Wild_Pencil, if you're reading this, I welcome you putting your two cents worth in too. In fact, I welcome input from anyone on this question.

I may want to buy a "backup" BIOS chip even if that isn't the cause of my IDE problem. I've read some of the posts here about BIOS's being wiped out by pulling the plug on the I-O at the wrong time during boot-up. BTW, is there a way to disable writing to the BIOS once you've got it set the way you want it? On some systems there's a jumper that can be removed to prevent writing to the BIOS. This basically amounts to disconnecting the WRITE-ENABLE pin on the chip. Would it be possible to insulate one of the pins to the I-O's BIOS chip - like maybe inserting a thin sliver of plastic between the socket contact and the corresponding pin on the BIOS chip? That way you wouldn't ever have to worry about accidentally "wiping" your BIOS - especially important for a car-mounted I-O where power may not always be so steady or reliable.

04-07-2001 17:57:12

New MessageRE:BIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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welp just to go along. This is the setup i use, which works prity well.

Ok firs things first. In the bios you'v got IDE opiton's there is an area where you can DISABLE the second IDE. I'd suggest you do this. also in the HD setup area on the second IDE device I'd set it to NONE.

Ok next, in windows you go into the system manager and go to IDE. and yes set it to primary only. reboot and your probelms should be GONE. If not. Remove the drivers and add them AGAIN. If posable befor you reboot. WHEN you reboot boot up in safe MODE and go into the SYSTEM AGAIN and make shure its SET TO primary ONLY. shut down and boot normaly this time. This should fix your problem all togeather.

KEY WORD should. Granted I'm not there nore are the rest of us fello hackers so ether where giving you incorrect info your taking it worng OR there is a problem somewhere in the middle if you HAVE problems in the end.

:)

04-07-2001 21:06:25

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mp3boombox,

I've been into the BIOS and the version I have doesn't have a secondary IDE device. If you read my previous post carefully you will see that I set my BIOS options to EXACTLY match the ones ckbone posted on his web page. I don't think there's anything wrong with the way my BIOS options are set.

I've tried removing and reinstalling the drivers several times in both safe mode and standard mode, both with and without a reboot in between the uninstall and reinstall operations.

Basically I've tried everything you suggested numerous times. I don't think anybody is giving me wrong info, and I don't think I'm taking their advice wrong or failing to follow it correctly. I think I've stumbled onto a unique problem here, but I appreciate your taking the time to try to help...........

04-07-2001 22:43:47

New MessageRE:BIOS & VIA 4in1 Drivers Question for Badflash (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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You can flash the V5_patched image yourself. I'll be happy to E-Mail you the image. I used the latest AMI flasher on my unit. The last time I tried the AWARD flasher it didn't work.

I have no idea what is causing your problem, but it sounds like a device conflict to me and nothing directly related to the bios. On V1 to V4's I run the V1 bios and had no problems like you have. I also load a V5 with the V1 bios and had no problems other than with sound.

Have you tried clearing the CMOS by pulling the battery and shorting out the battery terminals, then going in and loading the defaults, then setting things back up again? Make sure you do not auto detect the drives. Just use auto/auto.

04-09-2001 10:36:13

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Badflash,

I haven't tried "wiping" all the BIOS settings. I just tried setting the HDD to AUTO (rather than doing the IDE detected parameters. Still the same-old same-old. So far absolutely NOTHING I do makes any FREAKING difference! This problem is really driving me NUTS! This is the most frustrating thing I've ever seen. I swear I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window................

As for my other question about disabling the ability to write to the BIOS, would my idea work? Is there a write-enable pin on this chip that could be insulated from its contact in the PLCC socket by a thin sliver of plastic inserted between the pin and the contact?

04-09-2001 16:03:35

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Well, its fixed. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. Here's what it took.

1) Uninstalled the drivers.
2) Looked at the driver file details for the Primary PCI IDE controller.
3) Searched the drive for the driver files (native win98 drivers)
4) Discovered that one of the driver files was missing - ESDI_506.ptr
5) Reinstalled the native win98 drivers to restore the damaged/missing file
6) Reinstalled the VIA 4in1 drivers
7) Rebooted into Safe Mode (mp3boombox's idea)
8) Set the VIA driver for Primary IDE only
9) Rebooted into standard mode - all OK - NO SPLAT!!

Thanks again for all of your suggestions. Special thanks to mp3boombox - I re-read your post today and realized I hadn't ever done EXACTLY what he suggested before (reboot into safe mode after driver install, set for primary only, reboot into standard mode). I don't know which had more to do with solving the problem - discovering the missing/damaged file and restoring it or doing the uninstall/reinstall in mp3boombox's suggested sequence, (probably the combination) but all is well with my I-O now! Now I can begin hacking this thing in earnest..............

04-09-2001 20:43:59

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