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got a video question ???

New Messagegot a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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Ok, now i have not looked through the pdf file on the vide card but if posable how hard would it be to add video memory to the video card??? I.E. 4megs. OR even heck 32 using say one of the old memory cards from an iopener??

Also programer speaking of memory do you know of any chip's or numbers of chip's which could be used for the CACHE memory hack next to the video card???? I'D LOVE to max out the cache memory!! hoping there is a place which has the parts needed for sampling.


and last but not least. Has any one gotten a dvd movie to play on the iopener period??? a k63-450 alone has enuff power to play a movie, and mine's running at 550mhz. Now have yet to get a movie to play period due to some error or an other with ANY dvd software player program??? But i have not tryed any sence i got the SAX BOMB sound card hack software and enabled the zoom video. aside from that any one gotten a dvd movie to work???

05-16-2001 14:08:05

New MessageAdd memory to the video card? (modified 0 times) NormConquest
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Well, if the thing HAD a video card it might be doable. But since all the video processing is inside a single chip, where the f do you insert the memory?

I've piped CD Movie, Real, WMF and TIVO video into an i-o. Bleary, smeary, ghosty, shadowy, stuttering, out of sync. Made me nauseous. The pixels in the crudful screen are physically incapable of turning on and off fast enough to show full-motion video. Contrast and color depth are severely limited. Absence of video memory makes it worse. 128-Mb cap on main memory doesn't help.

A DVD movie would be even worse than the lower-res sources above -- even more data flooding the system. More dropped frames, more blearing and smearing.

Both SoftDVD and WinDVD software decline to install on machines with insufficient hardware. Did you find something that would instrall?

05-16-2001 14:30:45

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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first word TFT, second word composit out. and lastly the chip has test points on the back of the MB. with luck the points to wire up memory are there. where and how easy who know's????

regardless as i said befor has any one gotten DVD playback to work PEIROD???? of TRUE dvd vob movies via ANY software dvd player? AND i'm not talking riped DVD'S into vcd's divx or waht ever. I'm talking TRUE dvd's or DECSS decoded dvd's??

05-16-2001 17:30:18

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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The video on the IO is "shared memory"; it steals it from the system memory.. I'll write back here in a few if I can find how to tell it to set more, but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that can be changed after post..
05-17-2001 06:37:11

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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http://bethie.net/~programmer/HitVGA.com
should set the memory for the video card to 8MB, and reset the video. I would recommend giving it a try before making it permenant. If it works, and if there's a desire for such, I will add it to an option rom to start before the system boots.

as far as I know, there's no provision for memory specifically for the video.

composite out should be no big deal, just find test points for the pins on the north bridge that are intended to connect to the ntsc encoder, hook up an encoder, and either force it always on or set it up to be controlled on the SMBus, this would involve writing drivers, but not anything very heavy..

The primary reason no ones got software DVD to run is that there's not enough memory for a display at 640x480x8 (307200B) + 2x DVD frame @ 640x480x24 (921600) = 2150400, a shade over 2 meg, though 4 meg is enough for dvd decoding at 800x600

All of the 3d features also heavily rely on extra video memory, there isn't even enough memory in 2 megs for a single z buffer.


NormConquest: how'd you get the TIVO video out of the Tivo??? I'd much like that... :)

05-17-2001 07:19:27

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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oh yeah, cache memory.. just get regular plain jane cache memory.. you need a (fast pref 5ns) 64K tag ram and a 512K cache chip (fast 8ns or less) to get the max capability. I had tried with some memory that I stripped from a dead board, and didn't have any success (due primarily to a bad soldering job & lack of time and bent pins on the cache) The tag ram went in fine and the system boots with it there, but I'll need to fins a known good cache chip to put in it..
05-17-2001 07:23:44

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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OK HitVGA.com does work; it just leaves your IO in an unusable state... :)

There are 3 paths forward;
1) I can try and figure out how to enable the option to let you set the frame buffer size in the bios
(maybe someones already done this)
2) I can try to figure out how to get the video back up and running after I change the buffer size

3) I can hope that it doesn't need to be reset after the change (yeah right)

05-18-2001 05:44:48

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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OK I rebuilt http://bethie.net/~programmer/HitVGA.com now it changes the memory amount; runs the VGA BIOS; and sets the screen mode.

It'd be great if someone could give it a try from the dos prompt. If you don't see a screen come back, then try typing win and see if anything happens. If no one trys this, it may be a while before I can..

05-18-2001 08:15:47

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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NormConquest Sarry never answerd your last question. Yes i did find a software that would install, which is powerdvd 3.0 problem is is that it fials when tryin to play a movie
05-18-2001 18:17:58

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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programer i dont know why but every time i run that hitvga program my screen goes blank. I'm still in control but my screen turns off. The only way to restore it is to reboot. I believe its just turning off the backlight/screen, But i am still in control via a dos prompt. meaning i can still access files and stuff, any idears wahts causing the problem?? or is there like a command set your supose to run variables with the program???

OR certian settings in the bios/thigns in the autoexec.bat that cant be or must be loaded to utilize the patch???

I have got a V3


http://members.panax.com/bachh/ My EZnet 200 tower, hacking page.
05-20-2001 07:08:58

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro
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Programmer,

I have a V5 and ran the HitVGA utility from a DOS Promt, and recieved the same effect that MP3 did. I could hear the Drive accessing, but no screen.

A question as well... If memory serves, You can select the amount of ram for Video in the BIOS, Right..??
Should this be done before using this utility? Or is it set in Windows ?

If you can get this working YOU would be the man....

Thanks,

JohnQPyro

05-20-2001 12:18:11

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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JohnQ: unfortunately, the problem is that we are not able to set the amount of video memory in the bios; If you can, then please let me know.
What the hitvga program is intended to do is:
1) change the northbridge configuration to give more memory to the video card
2) reset the video hardware
3) run the video bios to bring the video back up

when it can do that, I can put it into the BIOS and have it do its thing before the OS gets loaded.

05-21-2001 06:53:11

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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from waht i recall, the cyberblade i7 video drivers from the microsoft webpage update page one's LET you setthe vide emmory in windows and it stayed. even on a reboot! From what i recall, but the video driver had to be installed a virgen. and it DID set the video memory.
05-21-2001 19:54:58

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Well that's something new! You actually have the video card using more than 2 megs? How exactly do you mean install it virgin? If you changed to a std vga driver, then went to the MS update page, would MS find the Trident card, and offer an update to the correct driver? Or did you find this MS driver somewhere and manually install it? I've got that MS driver, but it was installed as an update to an earlier Trident driver....and it won't take on more than 2 megs.
05-22-2001 03:56:00

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) laserfan
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I have convinced myself BTW that the "correct" driver for the Cyberblade i7 chip in my v1.0 IO is the VIA file for the "integrated Trident Blade chip" as I noted in the HOWTO thread. Yes I know that others have worked, but I don't think the drivers made for standalone Trident work as well as the 5482-10.zip:

ftp://ftp.newmmi.com/via/

ftp://ftp.newmmi.com/via/5482-10.zip

I haven't tried yet to set the video to >2Megs w/this driver (it didn't "stick" with any other Cyberblade i7 drivers, I tried it) but the theory is I guess that there's no benefit/need for it anyway...

05-22-2001 04:56:21

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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OK, http://www.bethie.net/~programmer/HitVGA.com is updated yet again; this time it does not reset the video card, and it now changes the base address for the frame buffer to 6MB less than it was before (I'm working under the assumption that it's putting the frame buffer at the end of memory..)

It should definitely return you to DOS, and presumably will allow you to then load windows, which will presumably detect the 8MB video.. :)

laserfan: expanding the available video memory is critical to several things:
1) z-buffer and textures for games
2) buffer for DVD playback
3) alleviating boredom
4) world peace
5) convincing the huns not to sack carthage

if only the romans had had the documentation...

05-22-2001 06:30:43

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Wow, Those are real interesting insights into the benefits of more video memory Programmer, especially the comment about the carthaginians

Okay so these additional MB's of video memory help pave the way for DVD playback on a TFT screen?
Codeman has a functioning TFT screen hooked up and you have one 3/4 of the way done so why not? Just a suggestion.

05-22-2001 11:12:15

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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welp I need to play around with my iopener a bit, but the last time i had a chance to test out that mem setter program i had an error from some vxd file while loading windows0. I'll check it out further tonight seeing as how its the first chance I'll have peirod.
05-24-2001 13:10:53

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Georgie
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Programmer,

HitVGA still needs some fixing... My machine, is a K6-3+ with Win98SE. When starting Windows, I only get an error message - still in text only mode -, then after a few seconds pause, my IO shuts down. The error message (exact wording my be different...):

"Invalid VxD call to device No 3 service B. Windows configuration is invalid."

Looking forward to the fix! TIA

Geo

05-27-2001 09:30:31

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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hum noticed something. My windows system reports 126mb ram, isnt it supose to be 130?

126 from 132 is 6megs?? is the patch working??? WHEN i get a chance some time in the future I'll try out some DVD sftware again see if I can play a dvd movie!

also programer is this a one time patch?? or a run it every time you boot patch?

05-27-2001 19:11:42

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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it'll have to be every time.. the 126MB thing means that you have 2 megs taken from your system memory.. it's back to the size of a MB thing.. while you have 131xxxxxx bytes, you have that/1024 KB, and THAT/1024 MB ; this specific argument has been argued back and forth for a very long time (decades anyway) while I personally prefer the /1024 camp, many companies (esp hard drive manus) prefer the /1000 syntax, the bios in not reporting in either, though is seems you are percieving the /1000 notation..


anyway; I checked some stuff out over the weekend, and the adjustment that the bios lets you make (at least mine) is worthless, it allows me to switch between 4 and 8 megs, and doesn't listen to either..

The adjustment the video driver lets you make is just as useless (at least on my IO) it allows me to select from 2 to 2048MB of system ram to be used for AGP, and that very much is not what we want (not really sure what it is, but it isn't what we want) If you find something that allows you to select (and only these options) 2, 4, or 8MB for a via mvp4 or a trident cyberblade i7, let me know, otherwise, I will continue to look for the right way to configure the video and let the system continue to boot.

05-29-2001 07:41:16

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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Hi, ok from what i rember, IF you install the video driver from the microsoft update page AS a virgin you can CHANGE and set your video memory and it stays!! i dont know if it worked but it DID stay.
06-01-2001 18:52:19

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Georgie
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Hi MP3boombox,

Important question. You say, if you change the amount of video memory it stays changed, even after a Windows restart.

Now, does that mean that you can raise the color depth to 24 or 32 bits on your machine?? (At the normal resolution of 800x600 of course)

Geo

06-01-2001 21:06:17

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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Right now saddly i cant tell ya because I'v done to much to my IO and that feature doesn't work any more. When i get around to it I'll wipe my IO and start over but for right now I believe yes. But then again i cant rember, it may have just made the screen bigger instead.
06-02-2001 07:22:50

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) onthedownlow
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I got my io working with my USB DVD-drive and it works great...I got the K6-450 in it, and I was able to flash the BIOS settings, with a little firmware programming, to install a 256MB chip...yeah, the screen runs now and then with the video...but it's actually quite good since the frame rates are up now.
06-20-2001 10:35:47

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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OK; Prove it.

1) What Bios settings did you change to allow the video memory selction?

2) What did you set your video memory to?

3) What did you set in the BIOS to let you use a 256MByte Chip? or did you use one with 16 chips?

4) since when does improving frame rate do anything to improve the effects of ghosting on an IO?

06-20-2001 11:47:01

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) onthedownlow
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Well, first off, you're right...the ghosting still sucks pretty much...nothing you can do about that...but for some reason, my video was so choppy to begin with...I'm sure it had as much to do with the USB connection as anything. But suprisingly now the video is more than bearable. I used a single chip for the memory...one I picked up from a vendor. I didn't even think they made'em like that. The firmware in the BIOS...that's a little something I learned from a previous job. Sorta got lucky with it though, trial and error of course...many restarts. lol.
06-22-2001 12:17:31

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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Well, share with us..
06-25-2001 08:33:33

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) onthedownlow
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Sorry, been away a couple months. Will have an update soon.
10-10-2001 09:01:16

New MessageRE:got a video question??? (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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The ghosting problem is fixable. its a multi part problem. First of all the thin 2mm cable is to thin to handle the bandwith of the video output. (THE WIRE IS JUST TO DANG THIN) you need to put thicker wire on the port. I got aroud this by using a mini 10pin jack which was an SMT connector. I put it to a mini board i created. Then ran regular full sized wire off of that (standerd IDE ribon cable). Then i took a farite beed ring and wrapped the the ribon cable threw it twice. The video is a LOT sharper with less moving distortion. You could use farite resisters with zero resistence, but I'd strongly suggest a ring.
10-13-2001 07:00:15

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