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What happened to the new BIOS?

New MessageWhat happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) dvfagan
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Wild_pencil had a post indicating that he had finished a new BIOS and that it would be available from Bad Flash. The thread is gone and Bad Flash only shows the same old BIOS. How can I get the new one?
07-05-2001 20:59:05

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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All you had to do was ask. The V5patched bios I have now is patched even more. It is the Wild_Pencil bios you want with boot from CD, USB fix (thanks to programmer), etc. I have been asked not to distribute the file, so don't ask me for it. It is available via buying a new chip or via reflash only.
07-07-2001 19:27:06

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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I respect the work that Wild_Pencil has done, but the whole history of the i-o has been people working out little bits of the puzzle and making them freely available to the community. The only commercial products have been things that people could already do for themselves, but choose to buy for convenience or time's sake. This is the first time that a new development has not been freely shared. I am really frosted. It is complete !@#$ to restrict the distribution as Wild_Pencil and BadFlash are doing.

With BadFlash's express attitude towards software upgrades (and this is only an upgrade to the BIOS, after all) I don't suppose that he'd mind someone buying a copy, extracting the .bin and posting it.

07-08-2001 11:44:51

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) El_Kabong
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Zephyrus: Here here.
07-08-2001 14:06:22

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Re: Distribution

I asked Badflash not to distribute this version on the 'Net for two reasons:

(1) My extreme distaste for Wizz*tronics. It's bad enough these guys ripped off Codeman's hardware designs -- selling them at a profit while Codeman receives NOTHING. It's also pretty bad that they're selling v1 and v5Patched BIOS chips at $20 a pop. Considering all the profiteering and bootlegging involved, I simply don't trust them as a distribution point. The way I see it, if I send people to Badflash, there's a better chance of an ORIGINAL Codeman I-Mod kit being sold in the same transaction.

(2) As mentioned before, I don't like answering FAQ stuff like "How do I flash this Image?" and "How come the <DEL> key doesn't work?". I figured if I let it go through Badflash, people would have an actual chip (no more "Flash" questions) and they would have a someone who's responsive to email questions. This is "value added service" that I feel is really worth the $10 flashing fees.

Please don't bash Jack about this -- he had little say in how to handle the distribution. Flame me in email all you want; or (better) simply ask if you can beta-test some of the (possibly unstable) BIOS images I'm producing.. It's really that simple. Of course, I'll quickly *bonk* you on the head if you ask any AWDFLASH, CBROM, or "The BIOS Image doesn't work, how do I revert back to the original one if I only have one chip??" type questions.

The BIOS Mods are still "incomplete" in my mind. The two remaining tasks are to modify the BIOS Setup Screen so that the original IOpener Keyboard can modify the settings (actually finished earlier this week); and to enable Floppy support for those who did Turbo3's floppy disk hardware mod. And if I can enable the floppy disk over the parallel port, that would be sweet, too.

-WP

07-08-2001 19:08:29

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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>This is "value added service" that I feel is really worth the $10 flashing fees.

You can say that for yourself, Wild_Pencil but, with respect, you don't have the right to make that decision for me.

You've already disavowed any financial interests in selling the BIOS, and BadFlash is only acting as the distribution point so he doesn't have any vested interest either. I don't have a vested interest either since I'm running DR-DOS and don't need this BIOS. But it really rankles me for you to say "I don't trust your competency so the only way to get this BIOS (even to play with) is to buy from my annointed dealer."

I certainly understand your not wanting to field a lot of tech support questions, but you're not even allowing folks the benefit of a choice.

Believe me, I'm not ragging on you or BadFlash. And I'd be a flaming idiot (pun intended) to flame someone who is still pushing out the frontiers of the i-o! But, as appealing as the floppy support is to me, I'll more than likely make do with direct cable connect to transfer files into the i-o (it's currently acting as controller for my CNC milling machine) if the only recourse will be to buy that BIOS from Badflash.

07-08-2001 20:01:06

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Um... did you miss the sentence about beta-testing?

The v5Patched version was necessary to make the v5's fully functional. (A v5 running v1 BIOS wouldn't have Audio). This particular BIOS update is not "essential" to hackers -- it only implements some "nice to have" features that make the IOpener easier to work with. There's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING functionally critical in this BIOS that you can't get elsewhere. CDBooting functionality and Programmer's upgrades are freely available on the 'Net.

This is "just" a clean version that's polished up enough to keep the newbies happy. If you're a hacker and you want a free and functional version, without the polish, just combine v5CDBOOT-Beta with Programmer's BI4 Upgrade.

-WP

07-08-2001 22:18:06

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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>Um... did you miss the sentence about beta-testing?

Not at all. I did speak rashly above. You do, of course, have the right to distribute your BIOS in any way you choose. I will make a personal choice not to use your BIOS, just as you have made a personal choice to restrict its distribution.

07-08-2001 23:04:19

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zyxw
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Sigh,
Well ok... I've gotta add a few cents here...

1) wild_pencil has every right to distribute whatever he's done to whoever he wants.

2) Bad Flash has every right to charge to flash

3) That said, not publicly posting the BIOS publicly or in a free download area certainly appears contrary to the intent of this board.

4) WIZZ*** merely has to pay a few bucks to get a flashed version from badflash then can reproduce the bios anyway... the barrier wild_pencil establishes to WIZZZ*** is like $20... assuming WIZZ* actually sells to anyone (and I type here as one who has used them to install mods to my I-Opener, but not mods obtainable elsewhere) sufficiently to cover $20 they'll just pay it.

The summary is, wild_pencil establishes a tiny barrier to WIZZ* which is really meaningless, claims he doesn't want email is also a bit odd as he already is as easy to locate now as he'll be after badflash distributes the bios... also... what size pool are we talking about? Will a few dozen people flash? Will one or two have questions... shudder!

My expectation is someone will plop down a few bucks for this thing, and publish it publicly somewhere... when that happens if wild_pencil's name is affiliated with it at all, email will surely follow anyway... what we have here is harm to the open exchange of information/ideas without any really compelling reason.

P.S. The BIOS extensions added by wild_pencil don't really add anything I need (I don't boot of a CD ROM for example, unless someone's going to develop a boot off a usb device bios). Thus I'm not really effected one way or the other, but I believe wild_pencil while having done a great job of coding a nice extension to the I-Opener BIOS has missed the boat a bit in not making his work freely available Note, I am not saying he can't, or even shouldn't, but that his not doing so is IMHO contrary to the trend of this board and without any justification of competition or email hassles.

Regards!

07-08-2001 23:09:25

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) vailr
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Agreed: "USB bootable" would be worth getting a bios upgrade.
(Some Sony & Toshiba laptops already have this capability).
07-09-2001 07:19:09

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I've tried to clarify this before, just so you understand where I am comming from. I don't sell software of any type. My expressed views of how to deal with Microsoft are targeted at a company legally declared a monopoly that has been convicted of preditory buisness practices. Even then I don't copy and distribute Microsoft software. Showing others how to exploit holes in their software is fair game and legal and is up to you to decide what you will do with the information. I hope I've made it clear that I've purchased all the software I play with and use it for personal use. Where I end up is one licence per machine.

What Badflash.com does is sells a copy service and provides support as best I can. Anyone who has e-mailed me with a return address that works know that I do my best to provide that support even if I get no sales as a result. For the most part I sell bios chips with freely distributed software widely distributed from the motherboard makers web site with their blessings (you can read most of their FAQ's pages as what to do if a flash goes bad and most suggest you find someone with an EPROM programmer). In the early days before WP came up with the patched V5 bios I required a disclaimer and allowed each individual to decide what was ethical or not. The BIOS copyright was AWARD, not NPLI and the only part the NPLI owned was the splash screen.

Once the V5patched became available the disclaimer was not longer required. Any of you who sent in one also know that I have kept that information in complete confidence. As soon as WP sent me the updated software I immediately reflashed all chips to that version and have been shipping that for the past week. I plan to respect his wishes as I would with anyone doing the IO community a good deed.

For anyone out there that thinks that hard work and creative thinking should not be rewarded and respected, you have missed the point of what the "community" is all about. We are not a bunch of software thieves, we just work close to the edge and take risks that others either are afraid of or can't even conceive of in the first place. I wish WP would let me pay him for his work. I've offered. Ken came up with "The Hack" and deserves the reward for the various kits he has come up with. Lots of other un-sung heroes were also involved along the way, such as Turbo3, Programmer and the early pioneers that figured out what the different pieces and part do. Some did it for fun, others for fun & profit, others just for profit. I've never made any bones about my position. I do it for fun & profit. Badflash.com was started before the IOPENER craze started and the "community" found me back in April of 1999.

To date I have had two (count them 2)IOPENER customers that have contacted me and are unhappy with my service. One blew up his IOPENER by plugging in the IMOD3 to the IOPENER and an external power supply at the same time. I sent him a free cable which he then attempted to sell on this board. The other got a bad chip from me, failed to contact me, assumed his socket was bad, and sent the IO to Wizz to be replaced. After Wizz replaced the socket and the chip the customer contacted me and I refunded his money, and posted a recall here. I can live with that.

07-09-2001 10:05:53

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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> What Badflash.com does is sells a copy service

I don't have a beef with that at all, BadFlash. You provide a service and are paid for it. That's free enterprise at work.

My only beef is the "buy from me or do without" aspect. That is a Bill Gates attitude (which I'm a little surprised to see you share,) and I don't think it is appropriate for this community. But that's just my opinion.

07-09-2001 12:01:12

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) El_Kabong
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And it isn't even his to sell! WP only altered it a bit. It belongs to Netappliance or Award. Alpha, beta or final is irrelevant. I can see giving it away to those who already own an IO (and therefore a copy of the same BIOS) but they shouldn't charge for it. That action could spell the end of this board and a great loss of $$$ by the webmaster. The scheme Bad Flash Jack has come up with of "buy/flash a chip, get a free v5+ BIOS" is bogus. The only way it might work is if Jack also offered the v5+ image as a free download. I can see that working, maybe. As for Pencil's support email phobia all I can say is that anyone who edits a BIOS can't be that foolish. He only needed to put it on an annon' FTP site along with the flash utility, a short "How to" text file and an "If you don't know what you're doing STOP NOW" disclamer. Also if it's a beta and unfinished how come Jack has it for sale? Nope. The way those two set it up points, in my mind, to the two of them trying to make some quick money. For shame. If cash is so tight why not get a second job and leave our little Brotherhood of Hackers out of it. After all even animals don't #### where they live.
07-09-2001 15:21:37

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Jeez....I cannot believe this attitude. Since when is anything free? Information....maybe. Help....maybe. But an an actual physical thing....no way, except from a very generous person. This new, patched BIOS was made with great difficulty, at great personal cost to all involved. Now I hear the attitude that these people "owe" this thing to the rest of us. Come on, get real. You want something someone else has? You pay, you beg, or you steal like the WIZZ.
07-09-2001 15:52:03

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) ratster
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This is silly...

From the beginning, all I've considered to be free on this BBS has been information. IMOD kits cost money, BIOS chips cost money, serial add-on boards cost money, hard drives/touch screens/RAM upgrades/Tennmax fans cost money... If something is available free of charge like software or a BIOS image, that's way cool, but I have never considered anyone here to be obligated to give anything away, especially not the fruits of their labor.

With all of the stuff we're all willing to pay for through resources connected to this BBS (directly or indirectly), I see no reason to single out BIOS images and insist they must be free. Labor is a tangible object just like cables and chips as far as I'm concerned. You're getting something easily that someone else took years to master, and all you have to do is pay a couple of bucks. Considering the amount of $$ that it took to get the knowledge and expertise required to perform the mods so you don't have to figure it out for yourself, well, it's a bargain.

I'd love to get a free image of the new BIOS. The fact that I'm going to pay for a new chip instead is not even slightly disappointing to me, though. Sorry, but it isn't.

07-09-2001 16:37:17

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Skypilot
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I agree there is nothing wrong with what WP and BF are doing. Jeez - I was amazed to get my BIOS reflashed for only $10. That's less than 15 minutes of my time. We all can make the decision as to if it's worth it or not for someone else to do the work for us.

Look at a couple of people who have offered their services to solder IDE headers in the GCT. Should they be offering their services for free? I guess I just don't understand the logic of saying that since its "BIOS" - and someone improves on it, that it should be given away. Hell, I want to encourage more people to come up with ideas and ways to save me time AND money.

Let it roll off your backs you guys and keep up the good work!


Skypilot - "Keep the blue side up"
07-09-2001 16:52:58

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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>You're getting something easily that someone else took years to master, and all you have to do is pay a couple of bucks.

Wild_Pencil said up front he isn't selling the BIOS, he's just going through BadFlash to distance himself from clueless emails. BadFlash said up front he's not selling the BIOS, he's just providing a flashing service for a fee. I have use of an EPROM programmer and have been flashing my own BIOS's, so where's the "have to" pay in this scenario? No one is selling the BIOS. If it came to it, I'd rather send Wild_Pencil the bucks and have him email the .bin.

But remember, I don't want or need the BIOS (I have a V2 running DR-DOS, no sound, no CD-ROM, no USB, flashed my own BIOS with a new boot logo, added a working gameport and optimized passive heatsink, all of which information I've freely shared with anyone interested), it's just the principles involved ("There are a couple of clueless newbies around so I won't distribute the BIOS to *anyone* directly because you're all incompetent." "Buy my BIOS flashing service or do without the BIOS at all.") that stuck in my craw. Who of the people making new developments in the i-o world *haven't* been using their expertise and years of experience (I'm a mechanical engineer with 20 years in laboratory equipment design)? Even Main Street Tech, who developed and made the i-o expansion case backs, made the Autocad drawings available for anyone who wanted to fabricate their own. So please don't tell me some things are shareable and some things *need* to be bought. Wild_Pencil has made a good and useful i-o development. It's just a shame he chose this particular way to "distribute" it. I'll shut up now (I'm sure to everyone's relief.)

07-09-2001 17:10:04

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Someone isn't reading carefully. I don't sell the bios image. I sell a copy service. The person who sent it to me asked me not to distribute and I will respect that. I don't have a policy of "get it from me or do without". My obligation to those who have contributed to the "community" is greater than the wants of folks that just want. I'm sure it won't be but a few days before someone buys a bios, copies it and distributes it. I'm sure they don't understand about the goose that laid the golden egg. Piss off the folks that are pulling the cart, and you may find yourself with a cart and no place to go.
07-10-2001 06:19:19

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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"And it isn't even his to sell! WP only altered it a bit. "
El_Kabong- The point is, he DID alter it and you didn't. He could just as easily hit the delete key and send the code back to where it came. I sure hope you agree he would have a right to do that, or do you think you should just be able to take someone's work because it is there? Before he altered it "just a bit" you could not boot from a hard drive, could not enter setup, had buggy USB network response, and lots more. That is sort of like saying Henry Ford just altered a wagon a little bit, he has not right to sell it.

The AWARD bios files used as a basis are freely distributed. NPLI owns no part of it now that there is no splash screen. He isn't selling it. I'm not selling it.

07-10-2001 08:33:25

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) spikeorama
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Just my 0.02 worth. I've been monitoring and posting to this board since early last year it seems to me this type of behavior is pretty stingy. I have no need for this BIOS as I have V3s and a V4 but if I did, I would expect it to be posted somewhere. It's great that someone has taken the time to figure it out, but how much time have other people spent figuring things out and posted them freely? How much is a working Linux kernel .config file worth? Maybe not much now but back in the "early" days of the IO, a kernel with stable USB was very difficult to obtain. I know I probably spend upwards of 100 hours trying to get stable ethernet working, keeping up with kernel driver patches, etc. There were many others who helped out too such as Zonyl and JBaitis who posted their results here. Some people even helped the Linux driver developers debug their code. Imagine if they had chosen not to freely give back their findings.

I'm fairly disappointed about this. If you don't want to get the newbie questions, just ignore them -- you don't have to answer them. If you choose to answer them, send them to Bad Flash. From what I can tell, he provides a good service.

But, without free posting of information, this board would be useless.

07-10-2001 10:29:45

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Information is freely posted. Code isn't always. Just because one guy gives away his stuff doesn't mean everyone else has too. The reasons for not sharing this file have been made very clear. It has nothing to do with stingyness. It is something called loyalty. Read earlier inthe thread and you'll see what we are talking about.
07-10-2001 13:35:24

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Everything I've done HAS been documented in this BBS at one time or another.. which satisfies the requirements of meeting "the intent" of this BBS. Most significant contributions are posted replies to wiggles about how to get the BIOS to load up Smart Boot Manager; and other messages later giving ideas on how to make an animated boot-logo. These freely-exchangable ideas ARE here.

What's NOT here are the implementation details.

Now for the record, there ARE functional versions of CD-Booting and USB-Fix/Memory Interleave/Mode co80 fix floating on the 'Net. I've always made "functional" versions of BIOS ugprades available on the 'Net.. and Programmer has been very generous in his BIOS upgrade offerings, too. If you're a "hacker" and you TRULY believe in hacker ethics and all this rant n' rave about the intent of this Board, then you'll take the time and effort to combine the two using CBROM to produce your own version for free.

All I provided to Badflash was the above fixes, along with a little polish: a "<DEL> key to Setup" fix (not essential to TRUE "hackers"), and a "SMARTBOOT" boot-order option in the BIOS Setup Screen (also not essential to TRUE "hackers"). It's clean, it's nice, it's everything the non-hacker wants in a readily available package.

Sorry, but I'm not going to budge on this. If you want a freely downloadable version of these fixes from the 'Net, you'll have to wait until I release the Floppy-Enabled version (which would be of no interest to non-hackers anyway.) It'll be quite some time before that gets working, unfortunately. After that, I might decide to work on USB-Bootable functionality.

Badflash is selling the service; I chose to provide him with this updated, interim version to satisfy the people he usually caters to. Just because I made it "free" to Badflash doesn't mean I'm making it "public domain" on the 'Net. Sorry.

Consider it my gift to Badflash for providing the IO community a service, as well as for his sponsorship of this BBS. Check out that banner-ad in the top right corner of your screen. That's sponsorship $$$ hard at work, helping to defray Codeman's costs of running this BBS. If it makes you feel better, consider the small pittance you may spend on obtaining this BIOS update as a donation or contribution to help continue running this BBS.

-WP

07-10-2001 13:58:24

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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> not essential to TRUE "hackers"

I'm sorry, Wild_Pencil, I must have dozed off and missed an important point. Could you define "TRUE hackers" once again? Codeman's Hack One was a hardware mod. Alternate CPU's, cooling fans, improved passive heatsinks, the second USB port, audio mods, my gameport mod, Ron's serial port board, Mark's expansion case back, and others have all been hardware hacks. Maybe those aren't "TRUE hacks..." Are you saying bit-bangers are the only "TRUE hackers"? I don't have any "hacked" software in my i-o at all, other than a stock BIOS to which I myself added my own hand-drawn boot logo. Does that put me above the threshold of "TRUE hacker" or do I need to learn some C++ or assembly or machine code first?

07-10-2001 16:34:08

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) info
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http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/t/true-hacker.html
07-10-2001 21:52:28

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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Thanks for the link, info. But it doesn't quite answer the question I was asking.

This is the trivial software "hack" in my i-o. It's not the point of what I do. I'm a mechanical engineer and what I like to think of as a hardware hacker (in the Don Lancaster sense). This is my contribution to the community, the design info for which (CAD files, etc.) I've freely shared with anyone who has asked. Competent? Helpful? You tell me. My question was, does only software hacking count as "TRUE hacking"? If so, the list of hardware developments I posted above may as well not exist, and the i-o would not be a platorm for any modded BIOS's at all.

07-10-2001 23:28:41

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I prefer not to let lables get in the way of things. Lets think in terms of contributors vs. takers. I don't consider myself a hacker due to by obsolete software skills (Z80 was my last assembly work writing a terminal program and RS-232 interface Tandy Model-4P- yea, I'm that old). The term hacking has its roots of software guys who hack, or break into, computer systems. Hardware hacking (just my opinion) isn't "true hacking". It is just old fashioned tinkering.

Sometimes the needs of the few outweigh the wants of the many. A specific request was made of me and I will honor it. I'd be stupid to say na-na-ne-na-na to WP after all the help he has been. In my mind after the discovery of the fact that the IO could be hacked by Ken, no one else has made a bigger contribution as far as impact on the IO community.

Everybody that contributes is someone who is worthwhile in my book. Those who just take, they need to buy stuff. Anyone here that is a real contributor that has contacted we with a true need has found be quite generous, and will continue to be so as long as I can afford it. I've given away quite a few free chips and done a bunch of free reflashes for those I see helping out. zephyrus- you are in that group as far as I am concerned, as are loads of people. If you need a chip and can't afford it, talk to me and we'll work something out.

07-11-2001 10:24:03

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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I hate to be off topic and interrupt the flames against WP and BF...but is the new BIOS fully compatible with the older IOs?

So all versions have CD boot capability?


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07-11-2001 19:48:57

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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WP:

You've managed to pique my curiosity. What are you hoping to boot off of the USB port?
Hard and floppy drives? Have you thought about Legacy USB (Keyboard) support as well?


Hardware hacking (just my opinion) isn't "true hacking". It is just old fashioned tinkering.

Somewhat like software hacking isn't "true hacking", but is only an offshoot of your "old fashioned tinkering."

07-11-2001 21:55:10

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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Badflash,

>the discovery of the fact that the IO could be hacked by Ken

No, no, that wasn't hacking--he just tinkered up a twisted IDE cable! I guess that's where the recent burr in my a$$ came from--the implication in this whole affir that code is some sacred cow, and hardware is just something you put the code into...

To my mind, the whole i-o thing is *about* hardware. All the instruments I work with (and help design) in my day-job are microprocessor controlled. I work with firmware guys every day. To me, what they do isn't qualitatively any different than what I do. That's how I see BIOS.

I do my brain and detective and creative work, and the result is a design--my role is complete when I give someone the file containing the solid model or Autocad drawing or scan of a napkin sketch. The data is the design, and contains the result of my experience and effort. But, whoever I give the data to still needs to build one for himself.

When Wild_Pencil or Programmer or you do your brain and detective and creative work, the result is code (say, BIOS), but the data is still the design. You can give someone a file containing the code, but they still need to put it in a chip to use it.

>The term hacking has its roots of software guys who hack, or break into, computer systems.

Yes, I did see "War Games" And am aware of the roots. But to me (and this is just my view,) hacking is understanding the principles of how and why something works, and using that knowledge (and knowledge of how and why other somethings work) to exploit unexpected or unintended capabilities in the thing. The guy who stuffs an aluminum Buick V-6 in his VW bus is a hacker. George Washington Carver was a hacker--read up sometime about the uses he found for peanuts. "MacGuyver" was a total hacker character. And I'll politely disagree with you about my hacker status (oh, all right, the heatsink was a tinker, I'll admit that, but I'm not budging on the gameport...)

If it seems like I've flamed you or Wild_Pencil, please accept my apology (you too, W_P.) That has never been my intention. (Geez, you're doing something I haven't worked up the cojones for--you're in business for yourself and I'm a brain-whore who collects a paycheck for my work.) Thanks for your very generous offer, but it's never been about money--just what seems proper to me...

07-12-2001 01:27:22

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Proper is all relative zephyrus. There are places in the world where it is right and proper AND expected to eat the brains of dead relatives. Here we prefer to take living peoples' intellectual property. My view is that information or software freely given should be taken the same way. If someone wants to sell it, then if you want it and think its worth it, buy it. What difference does it make? I charge for flashing chips and making cables, selling hardware, etc. What I am really charging for is my time. Someone develops software and wants to be paid, or wants something else, they have spent their time, and some up front resources/training to get there. Why is that different? Just because it can be transferred as an E-mail attachment? Do you feel cheated each time you pay to rent a movie? To me it is all the same.

Call what we do what you want, hacking or anything else. It is no big deal to me what they call me (as long as it isn't late for supper). Hardware hacking goes way back and is more kin to the Ham Radio guys and later the CB'ers who did all sorts of wacky things like most of us do to get out further, rather than just go faster. The difference between hardware folks and software folks is real, like it or not as is what they do and how the get compensated.

To me, Hacker should always be associated with the outlaw. Not just finding other uses for stuff, but doing stuff that is specifically unintended or prohibited. Hackers do stuff ESPECIALLY if they are told they aren't allowed to. It is sort of a red flag. Hot rodding a car, or making peanut butter isn't that. Making the IOPENER boot Linux or Windows is in the hacker spirit. Defeating the traps that NPLI put inthe bios to prevent that is a TRUE HACK. Subverting CueCat to be a normal bar code reader is a TRUE HACK. Once the device has been thoughougly hacked, it ain't hacking no more, just tinkering.

07-12-2001 07:10:38

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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>Subverting CueCat to be a normal bar code reader is a TRUE HACK.

Well, thank you very much for acknowledging that, BadFlash! After some mostly ineffectual putzing around with software, the TRUE :Cue:Cat: hack turned out to be a single-jumper hardware mod. [snicker]

07-12-2001 15:51:28

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) zephyrus
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Just so it's clear, I said the above in the best of humor. We're all pulling in the same direction.

P.S. I'll stop calling myself a hardware hacker and go back to Kludgemeister, a nickname given me by the network administrator at the last place I worked.

07-12-2001 16:03:46

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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There, that feels better...
07-12-2001 16:06:52

New MessageRE:What happened to the new BIOS? (modified 0 times) Rick
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Wild_Pencil, I just bought a chip from BadFlash with your updated BIOS on it. I flashed over it with programmers BIOS not realizing that yours was newer. I didn't make a back up copy of yours. I told Jack and he said to send the chip back, but I rather not do that. He told me to ask you if it was OK for me to get the bin file from either you or him, since I did buy the BIOS.

Thanx in advance,

--Rick

07-16-2001 20:50:27

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Email me.
07-16-2001 20:51:47

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