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XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile I got a copy of XP Corporate Pro, no activation, final version. Just finished a dual-boot install with Win98 on a V4, K62+450@200mhz, 128mb ram. I am amazed, it seems very fast....fastest OS I've tried. The install took almost two hours....two crashes, a reboot allowed the install to continue and finish. The video was correctly configured. I had to add a std. 56k modem...it works. The Yamaha sound card was found, but it had a dma conflict with the printer port, resolved by changing dma settings to one and three. This OS boots fast and most everything I've tried so far works well. My USB HPNA LAN is not working yet...I'm trying to find the correct drivers. CPUCool works ok....I can tweak the FSB and adjust the multiplier. All the progs I've tried so far installed without problems. Get this....Windows Media Player works fine, even the visualizations. I still can't believe all this...If you can get a copy of the final verson, by all means do so. I never could get the beta version I had, to work at all....the install always failed. This thing is a hoot....Disable system restore...it was really slowing everything down. Any feed-back on XP will be appreciated. 09-19-2001 19:07:04

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) Kcmjr Profile How'd you manage to score that? I work in the engineering department of a very large corporation and I haven't even seen XP Corporate yet? The members of my group are still finilizing the Win2k corporate builds. Is it being made available or was this an under the table copy? 09-20-2001 12:27:06

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile He,He. I'm not in the computer business myself, but I know people who are. I fixed this guy's dish reciever....he bribed me to do so with this copy which he just got..... Honest, the benchmarks are even about 10% higher. What a neat setup....does not require any VIA patches. I haven't tried USB out yet. 09-20-2001 13:57:05

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) Ragnar Profile ckbone, On my V1 before I switched to a k6 I was able to run at 225mhz using softfsb set at the third 75 mhz setting using the stock cpu. It just a thought but you may want to try it. The third setting at 75 mhz uses the 33.3 mhz psi? setting. Anyway, it was stable as a rock. And with your fan set up you shouldn't have any problem (if any) with extra heat. 09-20-2001 20:04:59

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Ragnar....I tried for a year to get SOFTFSB to work at "75" on any of my I-Openers...always crashed. When I first tried the "75" setting using CPUCool, it worked fine. I run my Winchip2 machine at that setting (225mhz) all the time now, no crashing. This machine has an internal hard drive and a Lasagna fan only. It has never shown any problems at all. XP, on the other hand, does not seem to like the "75" setting. I've been getting crashes...I'll have to try these different settings more to come to a final conclusion. FWIW...XP takes up 1500mb of space...a large OS. But you have to consider the number of different programs already included. You could do most everything without any 3rd party stuff. 09-21-2001 04:12:58

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Well....I can see problems with many external devices. I got my external HP 8230 cdrom working using the drivers for Win2k, even though XP complained about the driver being "unsigned". The recording software would not install. XP has native support for recording CDs, but the record prog locks up trying to burn anything....never starts burning. I'm doing another install on a regular computer....it could be a driver issue, or a USB issue on the I-Opener, I'll find out. I found drivers that work (more Win 2k drivers) on my HPNA USB LAN. The device seems to be installed correctly, it finds the other computers, but has a setting problem that I'm trying to figure out. XP has no native support for NetBEUI....you can add it from a value added folder....but I think I'm having problems here. More fun to come.... 09-22-2001 12:14:10

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile XP has native support for many external devices. Here's a list of what works on my I-O by simply plugging in: USB Zip 250. Parallel Zip 250. USB Castlewood Orb 2.2gig. Snapshot CF reader. Intel USB pc camera pro EXP parallel cdrom...no drivers found...doesn't work. HP 8200series cdrw....requires win2k drivers..cd works, recorder doesn't. HP isn't very good at supplying drivers for new operating systems...but this is a current model, so maybe I'll luck out. 3-com USB HPNA LAN works with W2k drivers. In case any of you haven't been keeping up on the "fix USB" topics....USB out on the I-Opener, which has never worked very well on anything for me, really has been fixed by XP. All the devices that had problems with Win98, now work just fine for me. Hard to explain, but true. 09-25-2001 04:18:55

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile I'm going to use this topic to post information that I have learned about XP (corporate pro in my case) and my I-Openers. Here's something neat that I could never get working before, even with PCAnywhere or Laplink....I got remote control working on my HPNA LAN. XP has native support for remote control of any computer on your LAN or by use of a modem. Damn thing works perfect! You can put the XP program for this on any other computer on your LAN no matter what OS this other computer has. Right now I'm controlling my EPOX with XP by means of an I-Opener running Win98 over the phone lines (HPNA). This is very cool. 09-26-2001 18:01:17

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile More on this remote control.....Like to see your I-Opener using a larger screen? This is how to do it. I'm remote-controling my I-Opener from a Win98 Compaq...19" screen. XP on the I-Opener shows up as full screen, complete with 16m colors. Its very hard to tell you're using remote control over a USB LAN.....just a very slight delay with everything. You can do anything on the I-Opener using this setup. I just installed a bunch of programs.....It's a trip seeing the I-Opener running on a large, very good monitor. Helps your eyes too. It was a little tricky getting this setup to work. To get this thing working, you have to assign a password, and log on to XP using it. The default setup with this pro version, did not assign a password. 09-28-2001 17:28:12

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Want to solve your USB problems right now? Supposedly these OEM copies of XP will ship out shortly....good prices on this "pre-order". These versions do have to be activated... unless you can find a work-around. http://www.directron.com/systems-operating-systems.html 10-02-2001 11:13:52

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Improve your display? Try ClearType......This is a method of screen font smoothing, designed to improve the display on laptops and LCD screens. Right click on the desktop...Display properties/Appearance/effects/screen fonts/ClearType. I think it gives a crisper look to the display...although on other forums there is some debate here. It probably depends on your particular display, not to mention your eyesight. I have two I-Openers side-by-side....the one running ClearType looks better to me. (this is an XP exclusive feature) 10-04-2001 06:56:22

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile I'm dual-booting XP and 98se.....wanted to try a slicker-looking boot menu. I installed Boot Magic 7.0...latest version I got recently. BIG MISTAKE....never could boot into anything. Thank God my back-up system worked. Try it at your own risk..... 10-04-2001 07:05:05

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile More info....I could not get Zone Alarm or Black Ice defender (firewalls) to work properly, so I downloaded Sygate Personal Firewall....it's free and it works just fine. In case anyone is worried about older programs working on XP, as well as older hardware....XP has the ability to install drivers and programs in a "compatability" mode. You do this by right-clicking on the setup file, click properties, specify which OS the program was known to work with...then install. So far this technique has worked on most of the hardware/software I've tried it on. Most of the time the stuff works without doing this, but it's been necessary for a Cannon scanner, a Lextar CF reader, a SB Live card on another computer....it's a new feature on XP that is most helpful. If you can find W2k drivers, they usually work on XP....most of the time XP has native support. If you get XP (try to get a Corporate version...no activation is required), be sure to download a copy of X-Setup 6.1...it's free. This program already has support for XP, and you can do an impressive number of system tweaking with it. 10-06-2001 12:14:34

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile I've been gradually converting all the computers here to XP. I finally got to my V4, pentium200mmx, 128meg ram, built in ide cdrom. A very long install, over two hours....this was not a clean install....just did an upgrade over ME. I wanted to see how it worked. No crashes during the install....I did first uninstall programs I knew would not work in XP...Zone Alarm for one. Everything's working ok....somewhat slower than an AMD k62+450@200. About as fast as Win98. I did have one problem I never saw before.....Everytime I tried to use the modem, the computer crashed. That problem was fixed by using a slightly more powerful power supply. I guess the load of the cdrom combined with XP was too much. May have been something else, but the new P/S fixed the problem so far. Here's something I learned....you can make XP smaller by removing programs you don't use...in order to do this you have to modify some system files, otherwise the uninstall option does not show up in the control panel for a lot of programs (windowsXP programs). Here's how to do it: Go to the Windows folder/inf/sysoc.inf.....remove the word "hide" from all the entries in that folder. In order to see that folder you have to enable "view all files" in tools/view/folder options. After you do this, you will then be able to remove a whole lot of stuff using control panel....including the annoying messenger icon that always pops up. I'm not sure how small you can shrink this OS....maybe 900mb. Problem here is you have to do a large default install before you can shrink it....there may be a work-around here, but I haven't found it yet. Here's the best part...The USB out on this computer has also been completely fixed by this XP install....it wasn't working well before with ME. This proves to me that the USB fix on the other XP/I-Opener install, wasn't a fluke. One more thing I learned....when you do an upgrade like this, you do have the option to return to the previous OS. You can also remove the back-up previous OS file if you want....saved me 177mb (ME). 10-11-2001 17:35:10

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Clear Type text....I talked about it before. Here's a site where you can tune up your cleartype settings on line....pretty neat. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/cleartypeactivate.htm?fname=%20&fsize= 11-01-2001 18:09:24

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Maybe there's some new info on this, but here's what I found out....XP will not install on your I-Opener from a DOS prompt. If you attempt to do so, the installer will tell you that in no uncertain terms. If you have an IDE cdrom and a new chip allowing boot from cd, and a bootable version of XP...well maybe you could pull it off. You can download a set of six floppies free from MS, if you machine cannot boot a CD. Course you probably cannot boot a floppy with your I-Opener either. So....Here's what I suggest and it requires some extra hard drive space. If you want a clean install of XP....create two or more partitions, install Win98 on the first partition, then you can get a clean install by setting up a dual-boot system with XP on the second partition....it's easy to do. I use W98 on the first partition rather than ME for your ability to easily get to a DOS prompt. If you don't want to dual-boot you can upgrade your current OS to XP....just be sure you've removed any software that might give you problems. You'll have to do some research on this. If anyone comes up with another method of a really clean install, please post it. 11-10-2001 04:06:23

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) vailr Profile XP CAN be installed from a DOS prompt (using a FAT32-aware DOS version, if your HD is FAT32). In the i386 folder, run "winnt.exe" (after running "smartdrv.exe"). Or for a "clean install", you can attach the IO's hard drive, via adapter, to a desktop machine, install XP as far as the first reboot, then re-attach the HD to the IO, and finish installation from there. $5 adapter here: http://store.yahoo.com/harbourtownsales/212lapdrivto.html 11-10-2001 10:09:44

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) Kudzu Profile Wow. Am I correct in assuming that none of you partook of the XP Pro Excitement Kit offer that MS ran, for $52.50? It came with a full retail version of XP Pro, a XP Sparkle lamp, and some promo materials. 11-17-2001 03:50:18

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Here's a MS program I never saw before....BootVis. You run it on NT, W2k, or XP. After a couple of reboots, and an apparent rearrangement of the hard drive, you will boot quicker. Anybody know anything more about this? Find a link to it and some discussion in this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=34&threadid=669641 It worked for me....but I had a working backup ready before I tried it. No problems though. 01-01-2002 08:38:52

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile FWIW....You can actually set up XP to dual-boot with DOS (no Win98). Just install DOS first....the Win98 version will install on a fat32 partition....I put mine on the C drive along with XP, which I installed next. I don't see any problems yet....this saves some hard drive space( no W98) and still gives you DOS, for whatever DOS stuff you might use. Once you start using XP, you'll probably never use W98 again. 01-02-2002 19:39:08

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Here's another link to the BootVis prog, complete with directions: http://www.xp-erience.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=131 01-05-2002 16:18:55

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) Kcmjr Profile Hey ckbone, Did you ever try Windows 2000 with the IO running at over 300 Mhz? I just tried a new K62-450 I got from jack and I can't get Win2k to boot if the IO is over 300 Mhz. Damnest thing I ever saw. I get stop screens complaining about the video, kernel probems, all kinds of wierd stuff. I'm still searching the threads looking for anyone else who's had similar problems but I figured I'd ask anyway. Your Xp IO is running at 200 Mhz from what I gather. Have you tried bumping the speed? KCM 02-03-2002 00:11:11

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Here's what I know about the K62+450 on the I-Opener, as well as on other computers (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).....You cannot boot this chip above 300mhz unless your BIOS specifically has support for it. The I-Opener's BIOS does not.....My EasyNow computers also did not before Rev Jones wrote a new BIOS with K62+ support. I can now boot my EasyNow at 502mhz(4.5x112). I boot my I-Opener running XP at 200mhz, then I use CpuCool to warp to 245mhz (max). I won't run any higher than this because the I-Openers have a habit of smoking unless you make some board modifications....cooling resistors, etc. I haven't done any soldering on the board, so I use 245mhx max. I tried 265mhz without trouble, but I don't want to push my luck. I'm not running W2k any longer, but I don't think the OS makes any difference. 02-03-2002 08:43:56

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) laserfan Profile I run W98 on my 200MHz IO with 128Mb RAM, and have USB problems (transferring large files over network). I have Win2000 and access to an XP Pro disk: 1. Assuming people do (or have) run Win2K is there an advantage to it in speed or compatibility? Issues/problems? 2. Has anyone tried to use XP drivers with Win2K? I don't want to invest in XP, but might move my IO to W2K if it (and maybe some XP drivers) could solve my USB problems. 02-03-2002 09:40:37

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Well, I don't know how this works with other setups, but I'm using a USB/HPNA setup on my I-Openers....as long as the setup has XP on either end of the file transfer, the transfer is successful. My W98 I-Opener can send files ok to my SOYO running XP. But it cannot transfer to any other computer on the network with anything other than XP. I've been disappointed with XP on my p200 I-Opener...too slow. I probably wouldn't suggest trying XP on a Winchip or pentium machine. I haven't used a RISE chip enough to form any opinion. I was never successful getting any XP drivers to work on W98.....I trashed my 2k install when I got XP running....wouldn't consider going back. I did like 2k on the one I-Opener I had it on....usually could get anything to work ok. 02-03-2002 15:58:00

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) coolterapin Profile I'm sure it has been asked before 100 times. Is the K62+450@200mhz the easiest CPU upgrade without motherboard hack 03-05-2002 11:21:49

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile If you have a V4b or a V5 I-Opener, I guess the K62+450 is the chip to get. It's cheaper and easier to find than a K63+. It can be over-clocked using software to the same speeds as a K63+ chip. Just remember to set the core voltage to 2.0v, and you're set. Go over 245mhz at your own risk....or maybe look into the cooling resistor hack. I'm using a V4b successfully with this chip.....256mb memory, WinXP, not bad at all. 03-05-2002 17:44:04

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) bflem82 Profile im not clear: if i have a rise 266 chip for the v5, does this mean i cant run xp? if so where can i find the right chip? 03-09-2002 00:24:20

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Sorry....Don't know about the RISE chips. I don't use them. I've used Winchip2, pentium200mmx, k63-333, k62+450 chips. To run XP the K62+450 in probably your best bet. Badflash.com and TigerDirect sells them. Take your RISE chip, drill a hole in it, hang it on a key ring.....he, he. 03-09-2002 07:29:35

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) Georgie Profile ckbone, laserfan, and others, I admire ckbone's experimenting approach towards things, and his never ending contributions. It is certainly a very important information that USB transfers work when XP is involved. But I can't help feeling that installing XP on any Iopener setup is a huge overkill. I am writing this on a K6-3+ @ 605MHz, in Win98SE, and I am very happy with what I have. But I know how incredibly slower Win98SE runs on a 200MHz Winchip. Now putting XP an such a machine...... I have some good news, too. For those who are not really XP fans, because they want Linux on their machine or just much more speed with Win98SE, I am very happy to announce that you can see the new, perfectly working USB fix here. See you there, Georgie 04-13-2002 22:28:01

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Thanks for the kind words Georgie......XP solved all my USB problems, but I wouldn't try it on a Winchip machine. Hopefully your patch can fix USB for all manner of I-Openers. Since I started using XP, I can burn cds without any errors, no corrupted files. Here's something I just found that works in XP....a software hard-disk activity light that minimizes to the system tray. Works neat. If anyone can figure how to get this utility to mininize to the tray upon startup...please post the method. http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/diskmon.shtml 04-17-2002 16:47:13

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile If you're having spontaneous reboots, you should check this out. You can disable this feature, enabling you to read the error codes that caused the problem...very useful. http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=86 05-13-2002 04:37:11

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) bot2600 Profile Just another note on Remote Desktop, you can also use it to remote into Terminal Services, so if you have 2000 server with terminal services, you can connect to it with XPs remote desktop, and it fullscreens the same way :) Very nice... 07-21-2002 18:39:03

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) wvirgo Profile | Email CKbone Did you ever get XP to work on your IO? I tried the disable reboot on error, but I thought that V5 IO was fully supported under XP. Badflash/wild Pencil 5.40a rom. If 98 could detect my USB devices, I would stick with that. Wvirgo 12-28-2002 12:58:57

RE:XP+I-Opener=It's a go! (modified 0 times) gramster Profile wvirgo I'm running XP just fine on v5's, but it won't work with the Rise CPU. I dropped a 200Mhz Pentium MMX 2.8v core CPU in as a replacement originally, and have since done the upgrade to run a K6-3+ 400 (although I'm only running at 300, as the iO won't boot above that and I don't know any way to get the multiplier up in XP). 03-05-2003 00:20:56

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