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Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified)
Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified)

New MessageDifferent methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mhiscott
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Hey. I finally got my I-Opener all ready for the car except for the audio. I have two gold plated RCA jacks mounted in the I-Opener to hook up to my deck and all I have to do is get the signal to these jacks from the sound chip. Now, I am going for quality in the sound. The stereo system was about 2000 dollars, so I'd like the least noise and distortion in the signal possible. I was thinking of connecting pin 35 of the sound chip to the left channel and pin 36 to the right. Then I'd need the ground. For the ground can I just solder a lead to any screw/piece of metal in the i-opener? Will this method give a clean output and be non-amplified? Any other suggestions of ways to do this while keeping the sound quality reasonably high?
-Mike
10-21-2001 13:50:46

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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Hehe well you can always get one of my audio mod's for the iopeners. ether v 1-4 WITH yamaha chipset or v4-5 that do NOT have the yamaha chip set.

As to stright connecting those output pins to your 2 GRAND sterio system. SHURE it will work but when you blow your sterio caues the impendence was hehe WORNG (BOOM BOOM CLIP! BOOM BOOM CLIP! BOOM BOOM CLIP!). dont come crying to the board. I posted about my audio mods a long time ago and sold a lot of them about 200, ALL MADE BY HAND. but you need an audio mod to use the audio out from an Iopener regardless!!. The output of the chip is not adiquite. The only problem with the audio mod is that if you use a SET of head phones the OUTPUT power is rather limated so base will clip on HEADPHONES ONLY! and thats if you turn the vol up to loud.
Now line in you can do stright, but I'd strongly reccomend a few components.

There are some other option's by mine is PURE audio mod.
looking for more informaion email me, my email is listed in my profile.

10-22-2001 15:58:37

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) Mitchell
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I would also recommend mp3boombox's mods. If you want THEE best sound from the iopener (which surely wasn't designed for ultimate sound quality), then his option is the best. I was an early modder and just used the .47 (or is it 47?) caps inline, tapped right onto the yamaha chip. It sounds quite good but is lacking the bass that mp3boombox's mod would supply.

If you are willing to spend $2000 on a car stereo, fork out the extra $$$ (less than $50 if I recall correctly) and buy his mod.

10-22-2001 19:55:13

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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? hehe didn't see that one comming but thanks hehe a supporter!! ;)
10-23-2001 13:14:46

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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P.S. about half that price is accurate.

comes with line in/out all color coded. basic install instructions and COLOR pictures and BASIC 1 2 3'S on soldering and SMT soldering. Just about fool proof, I'm shure Mitchell could vouch for that and MANY MANY other people.

did i mention size is not an issue ether??? size (basic opamp audio input/output controler system) dementions (0.70"x0.75"x0.25") 4 or 6 wires to solder TOTAL. 6 with audio in optional.

10-23-2001 13:30:21

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) iOiOitsOFF2WORKiGO
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A better value than the MP3 hack is the dual serial board from Jack at Badflash.com. For the same money you get a professionally designed board with dual RS232 serial support, FAN support, a great audio buffer implementation, extra +5/GND power support for future expansion, and a great cable package. It'll run with the modem in place, or with it removed. It's a great product. The only problem with it is that it sells so well it is hard to keep in stock :)
10-23-2001 18:16:11

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) *SF*
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No review of Audio Hacks would be complete without "Buttonpuncher's Do It Yourself Hack"
I-Opener Technical Stuff / HEY Roastbeef!! Help me out! Great audio out...

Wiring Print
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Finished Project (in yellow tape)
Closeup of Solder Points

10-23-2001 19:57:26

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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ya thats what mine is well, now some what based on but UPDATED! Giving better audio quality and above all bass, also i fixed the clipping with using head phones. Granted its not perfict yet but its a LOT better then the orignal opamp hack. The roastbeef mod is an exelente foundation AND STARTED IT ALL. But its lacking sound quality and the broad range of things that you can plug it into, and get the same result is farly limated. My next project is to put a switch on the board for line or powerd output.
KEEP IN MIND THE ROAST BEEF MOD IS NOT DESIGNED FOR THE NON YAMAHA SOUND CHIP'S!!!! It requires different setup!!
And I hate to bring back old memorys but the dual rs232/audio hack which cost's more, has a flaw in the audio hack part. I WILL ADMIT ITS AN AUSOME "DUAL SERIAL" HACK THOUGH!
Now I'v pointed it out time and time again, and I've still got the schematic for the board somewhers. But the audio hack is wired worng, basicly you cant mix the serial and audio and other features on the same board. The reason you ask? Well because there is interfearing noise. Giving people a degrated audio quality. Ever pluged a fan into the same POWER outlet as a TV or radio hehe same idear. If you dont know what i mean BY ALL MEANS TRY IT!!! Best of all this is NOT an extream example.
There was a whole stink about it a while ago and still nothing was ever realy done about it.

Thats part of the reason why I never went with doing the dual board like I was offerd a long time ago. I didnt believe in mixing all items! Neat idear but to get the Best audio quality you MUST seperate the VOLTAGE BASED SERIAL PORT, the FAN power port and the AUDIO!! Yes serial information is based on VOLTAGE LEVELS NOT ttl or data line level (On/off). Max 232 chip's convert ttl data into analog. Why do you think you can use such a long serial cable! its analog. This means you have voltage surges and drains (brown outs, Granted they are small but its enuff to cause problems). Then you put a pulsing fan on top of that. And the audio is tied into the same line's as BOTH of them, And even still your talking about traces on the iopener MOTHER BOARD which are not designed to supply all this stuff? COME ON!!
I'm not trying to bash though I am kind of, but I'm just pointing out the safty fact's. I am sarry for bashing but fact's are fact's.

Here is a question you can ask ANY ELECTRONICS PERSON OR local audio store. (audio store i dont mean wall mart, but rather in-town peole who know what there doing)
ask them this

"Do you think that if I mix a very basic audio amp, which is nothing more then an opamp and a few caps, a 5v dc fan and an voltage based serial anolog data line on one board all running off the same power source and non shielded IN ANY WAY from each other on the board? do you think the audio will get distorted at all? Or will any of them interfier with each others preformance?"
If they ask specifics on any parts tell them the audio is for powerd audio out for headphones and powerd amps. The serial is A puter SERIAL port. and the fan? ahh thats a hard one ;) .
I DARE YOU!!

Again if you want specifics email me.

10-28-2001 06:57:22

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) *SF*
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mp3boombox,

Where's the Sharing ?
Everyone else who has gotten infomation from here,
has came back & added some info to increase the knowledge base.
I have No Problem with the price of your unit, for those that want the work done for them.
But, Why don't you Share your Facts & open them to everyone ???
No, I am Not sending Email to You. Publish it, or Forget it!

* StarFish *

10-28-2001 13:04:40

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) iOiOitsOFF2WORKiGO
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Here we go with the nutcase mp3boombox lecture on his wildest fantasy, that he can find a flaw in the very popular dual serial board...motivated by his inability to compete with his audio and serial hack...not that this is supposed to be a competition. As usual, none of his comments are accurate. There are NO problems with the board design, and he doesn't have and has never seen the schematic or board layout for the production board. His willingness (though not his ability) to lead the uninformed astray has been well established in other threads on the bbs. This persistent self-interested behavior in this helpful community of friendly hackers is pitiful, and speaks volumes on his integrity, or lack thereof. For those actually interested, direct your questions to r_fl_z@hotmail.com (the board designer) or Jack at BadFlash.com (the vendor) for the real facts. Or ask one of the 400+ users of the board.
10-28-2001 14:32:22

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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I didn't believe it when I was told that mp3 was at it again. Talk about a slow learner. I admire his persistence, if not his IQ. Thanks for the comments iOiO, I'll send you another board :)
10-28-2001 16:41:43

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) soundguy
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mp3boombox, I looked at your profile and don't see you email address anywhere on the page, and I'm interested in you audio hack kit! How can we communicate?
mistero
10-30-2001 11:37:29

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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sarry for the email problem, I updated my profile a while ago and? Must have uncheckd the show email address! OOPS! ITS BACK in there now.
10-30-2001 20:43:22

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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leading people in false direction? Name one place this I have to see! Espeicaly if it has to do with electronics! considering I'v got a collage degree in it! 3.5 GPA thank you very much.
You want fact's posted name the facts your looking for to be posted!

Also any one know the site address of that new upload place for IO files? I want to upload a CUSTOM DOLLY image of the sandisk. It is fully dos bootable with a custom setup to walk you threw formating a hard drive for win9x and has a dos laplink plus all commen drivers for the IO, latest 4in1, cyberblade, ioesc, k6clk, setint4, AND the very hard to find DOS boot driver for the xm-1402b 6x ide laptop cdrom.

10-30-2001 23:04:19

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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Oh ya here is some more informaion for the good old opamp. If yall didnt know, the opamp is NOT designed to run no 5 volts, but rather 15v at least. If your below this your loosing your dynamic range. this means the opamp is UNDERPOWERD! Plus all the stuff i said befor about causing distortion. :) it all kind of ties intogeather.

also hum 2 days and no discriminating replys? granted we just pasted hallow ween!
(I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE REST of you but i had a hell Of a time at the dance club last night!!!, custom contest was the best! espeicaly "GOOD GIRL AND BAD GIRL" LEAVE IT AT THAT) Seeing as how I work at a bio lab www.jax.org , i decided to dress up as a doctor.


P.S. badgirl was my fav!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY OH WHY DIDNT I BRING A CAMERA!

11-01-2001 15:29:17

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) Programmer
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Yeah, why didn't you?? :)

I'd like some facts that show that the has a constant gravitational accelleration of 9.8 meters/second square. bet you can't find any..

11-02-2001 08:14:42

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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You are correct in the magnetic field thing. Besides the field generated inside the IO isnt realy enuff to generate a problem with the audio, provided the audio cables are kept short and shielded. But my concern doesnt lie with magnatisum or radio waves, but rather electrical static pulsing of the fan. Combind with a micro power brown out from both the audio opamp and the serial port. It's just asking for trouble. If I had more time on my hands I'd beg a friend of mine to utilise his scope to demonstrate these facts. Now granted a brushless fan will not cause a hard on/off shock (arching), but it still creates a static pulsing wave. If its a brush fan, revers the above statment, and add the second statement.
11-08-2001 14:08:55

New MessageRE:Different methods of audio output through RCA (non amplified) (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
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When i say field, I ment field(s). Theres more then a few things which can/do create unwanted side effects. there for needing the metal shield on the back to help hinder the production of the unwanted electronics generated noise. But thats realy rather irelavent to the opamp and rather usless propaganda.

video out, be it composit or SVGA thats an other story all in its own.

11-09-2001 22:33:29

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