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TFT Screen Part IV
TFT Screen Part IV

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) turbowsr
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Continuing on.

Part III with links to Part I, and II

http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=technical&Post=2494&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

~120 messages and growing :)

05-19-2002 17:38:12

New MessageProgress - Lack thereof (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Still sanding little white pads that cover traces. there are a lot more of these than I noticed at first glance.

finatronics

I'm still interested, stay tuned.

05-20-2002 17:50:08

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Finatronics
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I'm all for making life easier... Have you considered throwing it in a sand blaster? I saw one from www.harborfreight.com for ~$90 :) Might just beat the poor thing to paper thin, but you never know until you try ;p

Eric

05-21-2002 01:34:00

New MessageProgress (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Today

The little white pads are GONE .... well at least far enough to follow all the traces.

The board is now off being scanned. I get the pictures back on Thursday.

Finatronics

An e-mail to arrange a file transfer will be coming shortly.

BTW: That is a great millipeed chip!

05-21-2002 18:35:37

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) vwbug19
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you might forget about interfacing the tft lcd to iopener, i found a site that sells lcd controller that let you plug in lcd screen to vga port,isa,pci and yes nstc video port
you can plug that in iopener vga port?
that save time figuring out it
the url is http://earthlcd.com/
05-24-2002 20:57:03

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Finatronics
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KneuB_2:
Got the CD today, that label looks REALLY cool... almost enough to convince me to invest in a labeller ;) I put them up on my site... more about that below.
Thanks for the compliment about the millipede. I thought that thing was so cool I couldn't let it go. It was on a russian website, and it was probably wrong of me to have stolen it, but I did reference their site, so I hope it's OK.

EVERYONE ELSE:
The files KneuB_2 has been working so hard to make are now available on my website! Again, the site will work for everyone except @Home users. If you have @Home it's worth a try, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work. The link will just time out after a few minutes. However, @Home has lost all my support and once school's out for the summer, I'll be looking for a new ISP. Meaning, there won't be this stupid "@Home users can't download" problem after June.

The files are located at:
http://finatronics.dyndns.org:8123/i-opener/

I'm thinking about making thumbnails for them so you can see what you're downloading before you spend all day downloading it. Who knows, it may get done today, or it may not be done for several months...

Anyways, if you don't get download speeds of at least 5KB/s then it probably means someone else is downloading at the same time, try again later, 'cause it really slows everything down when too many people are downloading at the same time. Be sure to use a download manager in case I have to restart or turn off the computer while you're in the middle of downloading. I know the conditions aren't perfect, but it's a start ;)

That's it for now. Now, everyone, say "Thanks, KneuB_2!"

Eric

05-25-2002 16:54:27

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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Finatronics, which former @Home service are you using?

Your pages come through on attbi without a problem.

05-28-2002 21:30:32

New MessageThe Missing Blue Traces (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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The Blue Signal Test Pads

The two missing blue signals are PD16 and PD17. They are rather easy to follow on the scans that filitronics has posted on his sight, but again those files are rather large. I'll try and get a color coded jpg, of much small size, posted by this Friday.

06-06-2002 00:08:39

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Finatronics
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Kudzu: I'm glad you said something! I just contacted my friend on attbi who wasn't able to get to my site for months (since the excite fiasco), and he was able to get through today! Maybe things are looking up!
06-06-2002 19:06:36

New MessageTFT LCD Pinout Discrepancy (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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LCD Pinout Concern

I have traced the pinouts for the LCD and what I keep comming up with does not match those posted by programmer. I'm not really sure on this part, but it appears that judicious selection of which resistor pad get populated will determine the functionality of certain pins.... i.e. it appears that a couple of the pins can have their functionality swaped. The pinout below is from the MB I just stripped and I believe it was a version 5. Is it possible that the board that programmer took the pinouts from had a different pinout to drive a different LCD than was installed in the version 5's? I would really appreciate a second pair of eyes on this for corroboration.

If this preformatted fixed width text works as a table, I've also included reference information for connecting various TFT's.

LCD       Cyberblade    DSTN PIN   TFT  PINOUT / FUNCTION
Connctr Col/ ID / FCTN
PIN # Row 16 Bit 12 Bit 18 Bit 24 Bit

01 G2 PD0 LD0 R3 R5 R7
02 H2 PD1 LD1 R2 R4 R6
03 H1 PD2 LD2 R1 R3 R5
04 J3 PD3 LD3 R0 R2 R4
05 L11 GND GND GND GND GND
06 J2 PD4 LD4 G3 G5 G7
07 J1 PD5 LD5 G2 G4 G6
08 J5 PD6 LD6 G2 G3 G5
09 J4 PD7 LD7 G0 G2 G4
10 L11 GND GND GND GND GND
11 K3 PD8 UD0 B3 B5 B7
12 K6 PD9 UD1 B2 B4 B6
13 K2 PD10 UD2 B1 B3 B5
14 K1 PD11 UD3 B0 B2 B4
15 L11 GND GND GND GND GND
16 K4 PD12 UD4 R1 R3
17 L3 PD13 UD5 R0 R2
18 K5 PD14 UD6 G1 G3
19 L2 PD15 UD7 G0 G2
20 L11 GND GND GND GND GND
21 H4 DE Data Enable
22 G4 LP Line Pulse (HSYNC)
23 G5 FLM First Line Marker (VSYNC)
24 H5 SHFCLK Shift Clock
25 L11 GND GND GND GND GND
26 G1 ENPVEE Enable Panel VEE Power
27 G3 ENPBLT Enable Panel Backlight
28 F1 ENPVDD Enable Panel VDD Power
29 F1 ENPVDD Enable Panel VDD Power
30 F1 ENPVDD Enable Panel VDD Power

Test Pad PD16 B1 B3
Test Pad PD17 B0 B2
Test Pad PD18 R1
Test Pad PD19 R0
Test Pad PD20 G1
Test Pad PD21 G0
Test Pad PD22 B1
Test Pad PD23 B0

06-14-2002 18:38:49

New MessageTFT Pinouts - HELP! (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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HELP Please !

I'm more than willing to put together a unit with the above pinouts, but I'm still not getting anywhere with finding the pinouts (not to mention the connectors) for the TFT screen that I have. It is off of an IBM thinkpad 755c. The part numbers on the back are:

FRU P/N 85G1031 (This is an assembly part number)
P/N 85G0531 (I do not know what this is but it's next to the FRU number)
P/N 85G0570 (This and those that follow are on the back of the panel itself)
EC D38305E
D/N D0220208


Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

06-19-2002 12:50:59

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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P/N 85G0570 is the part number. You might try calling the folks over at EarthLCD.

I have a 12-bit 8.4" TFT LCD (Sharp LQ9D161) and the datasheet including the pinout in known good condition. I suppose I could send it to you to test with as long as you returned it in the same condition it was sent. If interested, email me or post back here.

06-20-2002 12:04:25

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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By the way, it has a cable that goes to a 50 pin IDC connector and then an adapter that goes to a 44-pin connector like the ones used on many SBC's. This one was used with an Advantech PCM-5862 ( http://www.advantech.com )
06-20-2002 12:14:03

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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Well, since I'm not getting any response, I've had an offer to buy the screen, so I'm going to sell it.
06-24-2002 06:46:16

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Grima

I appologize for my tardy response. Your offer was very generous and I have mulled it over and over. After looking into the replacement cost of a new screen (since I would have to return something at least as good as what you are loaning) I came to the conclusion last night that I'm not in a position to assume that risk should anything go wrong. I appologize for debating so long on something this obvious, you deserved an answer much sooner than this, but I was very tempted.

I was hopping to suggest that you gin up an adapter cable (to match the pinout above) and plug it into your machine and let us know how successfull you were. But at this point that is rather accedemic.

Again I thank you for the offer and i appologize for the tardy response.

06-24-2002 12:18:45

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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Well, I hate to retract the offer so quickly, but I'd been trying to sell the screen (with included touchscreen overlay, controllers, and cables) for a couple months and hadn't had any luck. I was just about ready to donate it to the cause when someone offered to pay my full asking price this morning...

I'd really like to see this happen though...I'd buy another I-Opener just to try it out. I've been silently following this thread for a long time hoping that your work would pay off. Thanks to all who are able to do this sort of thing that are willing to share with those of us who aren't (I'm a software guy).

06-24-2002 22:34:05

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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I'm still searching for pinouts (or another cheap TFT to buy, with KNOWN pinouts). I've started a TFT Pinouts Collection thread to help out anyone else that may be interested. If anyone has a TFT with known pinouts please plug it in using the board pinouts above and let us all hear of your success. GWIZAH .... are you still in the game?

06-26-2002 22:57:04

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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KneuB_2,

I have a LQ9D011, which is present in your TFT list. The data connectors, power and backlight don't quite match up, so I'd need to find a source for the IO cable header(s).

Do you know of one?

07-01-2002 23:28:37

New MessageLCD Connector (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Kudzu

Earlier, JAK1 and Wild_pencil identified the connector to the LCD. It is a JAE part. JAE parts are carried by Kensington Electronics and they have a sample link on their site. I've updated the Free Sample thread to include the LCD connector.

If you can obtain a few, grab one for me, I'm sure I'll need it in a short while and I suspect Kensington is getting rather tire of my requests

07-02-2002 17:43:41

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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Their form seems to be down, I've tried it over the last few days.

I may decide to lift the socket from my test IO, and do a direct connection, if they don't come back up in a few days...

07-04-2002 20:10:36

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) *SF*
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> Their forum seems to be down, I've tried it over the last few days.

You might want to try another system. All of the Links Work for me.
(just trying to help, but maybe I don't understand your problem ?)

07-04-2002 21:22:57

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 3 times) Kudzu
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SF, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+v is 'u'r friend.


Their form seems to be down, I've tried it over the last few days.

I was referring to the sample request form for the cable end linked from the page KneuB_2, the server hosting that form is down.

I've tried accessing it with different systems and ISP's, with no change whatsoever.

07-04-2002 22:29:04

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) *SF*
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Thanks for taking the Time to explain. I Now understand.
I Assumed it was a Typo (a common mistake of mine.)
07-04-2002 22:38:19

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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hey! Im still in the game, just very busy with life :)

Tonight I have to go through all my doc's and find the .pdf for my LCD... I kept notes, but my problem is I can't understand them later.

Okay I found it, I had forgotten that it was linked on my site http://www.amorphousmedia.net/clients/files/NL8060AC26-11.pdf

I'll go add it to the list of pinouts now.


-wheee!-
07-05-2002 18:38:44

New MessageStill Looking (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Still looking for pinouts (I can't believe the hours this is taking). I have found a 15.7" screen that is on the list at LCDspecification.com and I would have grabbed it and taken my chances with the power issue except for a couple minor glitches. The data sheet LP157E1 is not readable unless you have the latest and greatest reader with the Korean language pack installed, that was the easy part to rectify, just visit Adobe.com. The real problem is that the pinouts are specified with terminology that I have not been able to equate to the more standard RGB or any of the others that I've seen before. Does anyone have an idea of how to interpret this thing?

07-06-2002 22:06:42

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Linuxguru Posted in the Dumpster Diving 3 thread;


I have a stack of TP75x machines, including a few with a damaged or non-functional screen. However, there were many different kinds of TP screens in this family, so I'll try to summarize them here:
TP750 - Mono 640x480, 486SL33
TP750Cs - Dual-scan 640x480 8-bit color, 486SL33
TP750C - TFT 640x480 8-bit color, 486SL33
TP750Ce - TFT 640x480 8-bit color, 486DX2/50 (different motherboard)
TP755 - Mono 640x480, 486DX2/50 or DX4/75
TP755Cs - Dual-scan 640x480 8-bit color, 486DX2/50 or DX4/75
TP755C - TFT 640x480 8-bit color, 486DX2/50 or 486DX4/75
TP755C (later) - TFT 640x480 DTI 'black matrix' 8-bit color, 486DX4/75 only
TP755Ce - TFT 640x480 DTI 'black matrix' 16-bit color, 486DX4/100 or Pentium/75
TP755CSe - Dual-scan 640x480 8-bit color, 486DX4/100 or Pentium/75
TP755CD - TFT 640x480 DTI 'black matrix' 16-bit color, 486DX4/100 or Pentium/75
TP755CDV - TFT 640x480 16-bit color, 486DX4/100 or Pentium/75
TP755Cx - TFT 640x480 or 800x600 DTI 'black matrix' 16-bit color, Pentium/75

Generally, you can swap 8-bit displays freely with other 8-bit displays, and 16-bit displays with other 16-bit displays, with some constraints and exceptions noted below.

You can swap a TFT screen from a TP750C into a TP755C, but not vice versa. You can also freely swap DSTN or mono screens with TFT on every machine except the 755Cx. Some machines will need a BIOS upgrade after the swap. The cables, of course, vary from the mono, DSTN and TFT displays, and you'll need the right one.

The main difficulties arise with the change of the TFT screen from the original Hitachi or NEC screen, to the newer DTI 'black matrix' screen found on certain TP755C and later. These have a different cable connecting to the motherboard, so it is not possible to simply swap a DTI screen with the earlier ones. If you have the right cable, the DTI screen will work in an earlier 755, but not a 750. The earlier screens will work on the 755C with the right cable, but not the 755CE or CX (needs more investigation).

The CX is special in that some models support the DTI 800x600 screen, but these will also work with the DTI 640x480 screen. However, some models only support the DTI 640x480 screen.

The CDV is special, in that it was designed to work with overhead projectors. It cannot use a black-matrix screen.

I believe I have a password-locked 755Cs which is a good candidate for stripping. E-mail schander@mindspring.com to work out details. No charge, but some exchange of geek goodies would be welcome. I'm in Santa Clara, CA.



Linuxguru

Your posted offer of a 755CS for stripping sounds like a breath of fresh air. But it has also provide some confusion.

First; If I read it right the TP 755CS and TP 755CSE did not actually come with TFT screens but rather DSTN screens. i.e. the screens pulled from TP 755CSE's and posted on e-bay are most likely DSTN screens and thus not of any real use to this community.

Putting that aside for a moment, If I follow the swap out constraints above, the TP 755CS is capable of driving an 8 bit TFT taken from ANY TP as long as the correct cable is used. i.e. to identify the pinouts of one of the TP 8 bit TFT's I not only need to identify the pinouts at the connector on the mother board but also positively identify the correct cable and follow it through to the TFT.

The pedigree of the screen that I have is a little vague. I was told it came from a TP 755C. Which, from your list above, could be one of two flavors, one of which is a potential DTI and thus the cable issue is now a concern, especially since I do not have a cable. Can you identify by part number which flavor I have? Any chance your collection would include the correct cable as well?

All of the part numbers off the back of the TFT that I have are listed a couple posts back up this thread.

The requested e-mail has been sent.

07-21-2002 23:45:57

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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> First; If I read it right the TP 755CS and TP 755CSE did not actually come with TFT screens but rather DSTN screens. i.e. the screens pulled from TP 755CSE's and posted on e-bay are most likely DSTN screens and thus not of any real use to this community.

Yes, the original screens on the 750Cs, 755Cs, 355Cs, 360Cs, 360Cse and 755CSe are all the same 640x480 9.5" 256-color DSTN screen. There appears to be a fair amount of EBay supply of new, factory-original screens of this type, complete with test and calibration charts. I have bought a few new screens of this type off E-Bay for less than $10 each mainly to keep as 'universal replacement' spares to take care of future breakages. These are 640x480, and therefore of not much use as an I-Opener replacement. I may add that these screens are some of the most visually-striking DSTN screeens I have seen: with deep, saturated reds, good contrast, good edge-to-edge uniformity and minimal flickering (with the right drivers and color schemes). They have a very visible "warmth", which is easy on the eyes for extended use.

> Putting that aside for a moment, If I follow the swap out constraints above, the TP 755CS is capable of driving an 8 bit TFT taken from ANY TP as long as the correct cable is used. i.e. to identify the pinouts of one of the TP 8 bit TFT's I not only need to identify the pinouts at the connector on the mother board but also positively identify the correct cable and follow it through to the TFT.

Yes, I believe the 755Cs can drive any TFT screen from any 750c/750ce/755c, and in fact the system board is identical to the 755c. However, the BIOS may have different defaults for the CRT controller initialization. It appears to be smart enough to recognize the TFT screen and adjust accordingly (this is most probably done with some loopback-sense signals on the flex-cable assembly from the system board to the display).

> The pedigree of the screen that I have is a little vague. I was told it came from a TP 755C. Which, from your list above, could be one of two flavors, one of which is a potential DTI and thus the cable issue is now a concern, especially since I do not have a cable.

The screens can be readily distinguished when seen side by side, or even individually.

1) The DSTN screens are all 9.5".

2) The earlier TFT screens are all 10.4" and have two backlight tubes, one each at top and bottom. When seen face-on with the unit switched off, the gold metalization for the pixels is individually visible, with non-reflective gaps between pixels. The screen surface is more shiny and relective.

3) The DTI screens are 10.4"/10.5" and have one backlight tube at the top. When seen face-on with the unit switched off, individual pixels are not readily visible, since reflective gold metalization is not used. It is not easy to distinguish the gaps between individual pixels. The screen surface is dull, due to a special anti-reflective coating that is used to cut ambient light and increase the contrast.

The thing to note is that the 800x600 DTI TFT screen (the most desirable as an I-Opener replacement) is a fairly rare bird, and not all 755Cx units had this screen. I do, however, have one or two working units with this screen, but I'd need to disassemble them to get to the part number - I'll get to it when time allows.

All the TFT screens from 755C/CE/CD/CDV machines are 640x480 only, so there will be reduced resolution on an I-Opener.

> Can you identify by part number which flavor I have? Any chance your collection would include the correct cable as well?

I'll try to match your part numbers with identified types in my collection and post in a day or two; there may be some partial disassembly to perform. I'll try to locate the appropriate cable as well.

I'll also put together a carton of relevant parts (may include a few dead displays, representative of each type, at least one 755Cs system unit, and maybe a couple of flex cables) as soon as I can, which will probably be by the end of the week.

07-22-2002 01:44:30

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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> the gold metalization for the pixels is individually visible, with non-reflective gaps between pixels.

This should read: "the gold metalization for the rows of pixels is individually visible, with non-reflective gaps between the rows...".

Anyway, here are the part numbers for the two types of DTI TFT screens for the TP755Cx:

800x600 10.5" TFT 16-bit: P/N 85G2050 FRU Panel Asm 85G8546 Flex Cable 85G8519
640x480 10.4" TFT 16-bit: P/N 85G0500 FRU Panel Asm 85G1489 Flex Cable 84G6457

The 640x480 screen can also be used as a replacement screen on the 755CE/CSe (with the same cable); on the 755CD (with an electrically similar, but mechanically different cable); and on the 755C/Cs (with the corresponding cable for the 755c, which is both electrically and mechanically different (P/N TBD)).

The screen that is of most interest as an I-Opener replacement is the 800x600 TFT screen.

07-23-2002 22:38:02

New MessageOFF TOPIC (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Off Topic Tonight

While waiting for the think pad MB to arrive I took the time to tinker with a laptop that has been given to me. It is a Mitac 2025 that had a boot problem. It would only boot off a diskette, as the HD had developed a bad sector that is either located in the boot record or that portion where the OS is stored. Reformating did not get rid of the bad sector, so I decided to do a low level formate to zero out everything (I've heard that sometimes can recover bad sectors). That is when I made the "oops". I grabbed the wrong utility disk for this HD. I booted off the IBM disk and executed wipe.exe .... it crashed shortly thereafter. Now it does an auto off in less than 1 second into the boot.

I do not want to put a lot of time into this since the is a 25 mhz 383 with 1 meg ram (4 max) a monochrome screen and the HD is way under 100 MB. If the fix is difficult or costly, I'll find something else to do with this such as part it out .... boat anchor also comes to mind.

Any suggestions on how to fix this (or recommendations for it's next life)?

08-01-2002 23:43:25

New MessageSummation? (modified 0 times) Tom61
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Could someone sum up this thread, as it is very long and techinical, and say wether or not the I-Opener can finally be hacked to use a TFT? If it is possible now, how hard is it?
08-08-2002 16:09:29

New MessageSummare (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Summary

The jury is still out. We are at the point where we need someone to plug it in and turn it on to see if it will work. I would have tried it by now except I've been unable to find pinouts for my TFT screen, or another screen with known pinouts. Another thread has been started which is a collection of pinouts for various TFT screens as well as a thread that identifies a source for sample connectors that mate with the i-0pener, but so far if anybody has tried it they have not posted their results yet. In the mean time LinuxGuru was kind enough to send me a mother board from a ThingPad for me to strip so I can follow it's traces to the TFT and in that way identify the pinouts of my TFT so I can give it a whirl. Now that I've got a way (hopefully) to identify the pinouts I should be able to give it a try soon.

Stay Tunned

08-11-2002 23:23:00

New MessageWD90C24A-ZZ Video Controller (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Video Controller Chip Pinouts Please

As suspected, the video controller is not a Cyberblade. The chip on the board is a Western Digital WD90C24A2-ZZ video controller. As yet I have not found the pinouts. Help would be gladly accepted.

The full markings on the chip are;

WDC
WD90C24A2-ZZ
00-03 9441 D
35891S1-3503

Thank you

08-13-2002 12:42:07

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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Oh, I thought you already knew that it was a WD90c24a, and you were planning to trace the pinout of the TFT panel by using the *known* pinout of the VGA chipset on the system board of the 755.

Western Digital/Paradise was sold to Philips Semiconductors, but I couldn't find the datasheets for the 90c24a/a2 on their website, only information that it had been end-of-lifed.

08-13-2002 13:15:05

New MessageStill looking (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Status - or Lack thereof

Thanks Linuxguru for the heads-up on who bought Western Digital. I've e-mailed Phillips to see if they will provide the data sheet but so far I haven't heard back from them.

08-14-2002 22:20:34

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Tom61
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"As suspected, the video controller is not a Cyberblade. The chip on the board is a Western Digital WD90C24A2-ZZ video controller. As yet I have not found the pinouts. Help would be gladly accepted"

What version is your I-opener? My V5 has the Cyberblade i7. If I were to guess, your Western Digital is a drop in replacement for the i7 (probably licensed by Trident), and the pin-outs are exactly the same.

08-20-2002 18:07:09

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Tom61
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Never mind the last post, I didn't read high enough to realize that you meant a chipset in a Thinkpad.
08-20-2002 18:09:17

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Okay guys, KneuB_2 and others...

I have finally received the two hirose electric connectors I needed to begin testing my TFT. If you remember from This page I had tried this before using the connections previously specified. It did not work. Now that we have a "diffrent" pinout (KnueuB_2's pinout description) Im willing to try again, despite not knowing if my TFT is hosed or not. Regardless, I have a .pdf of my TFT (which is basically identical since it is an NEC TFT made for an IBM thinkpad, anybody know if that's true?) and the pinouts so Im going to give it another go-ahead this weekend. Wish me luck...

BTW, Unless programmer has anything to say about this, I assume that the cyberblade pinouts kneuB_2 posted are somewhat correct?

08-22-2002 06:59:59

New MessageGO4IT (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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GWIZAH

You have my attention!

08-22-2002 19:31:56

New MessageStripped the 755cxs MB (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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The Holiday is over, It's Time to Play

I was really hoping to find a success post from GWIZAH in this location

Well enough of that lets move on. The TP mother board is stripped and I'm in possession of the spec sheet for the WD90C24A2ZZ0003 video controller chip so I shall commence following those itty bitty lines again.

09-03-2002 22:46:01

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Whoa! Im still here man!

Just been extremely busy with life, especially this past weekend...New car, baby, wife, etc.
I'm gonna hunker down and do it this weekend for sure. I have my spec sheet, but Im still a bit fuzzy on the pinouts that were posted. WHo is correct? Are the pinouts posted for the Cyberblade accurate? Did we figure out which pads will give us our missing blue bits? Questions...

09-04-2002 07:38:11

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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The blue traces

GWIZAH I didn't mean to imply that I'd given up on ya, just to opposite, it was intended to imply self restraint on my overly eager expectation.

In any case, I believe that the pinouts above are corret and I'm sure that Programmer is equally confident that the pinouts which he posted are correct, plus there is the distinct possibility that we both are correct and it depends on which board you are using. However, my vote is use the pinouts above. With regard to the missing blue traces try the link that says something the the effect "two missing blue pins".

NOTE: The traces are all color coded but unlabeled. No matter how I've attempted to add text to the picture It has failed every time. If someone with the propper software could add the pinouts off the cyberblade table and put the arrows to all the pins and test pads I would greatly appreciate it. also note that ALL the missing traces have accessable test pads .... all the way through 24 bit TFT. Note also that the function of those pins changes as you move to the higher bit definition TFT screens, that is why you may need the cyberblade pinout table when following this. One more item, I've left a great deal of white space both above and below the traces so the entire table can be added. It also means that if you view the page from the web link above all you will see is white screen unless you scroll down (or have a very very big screen).

09-04-2002 10:36:26

New Messagelcd supply (modified 0 times) fpcr
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Just in case you guys don't have enough already, hitechcafe.com has lots of lcd screens for ~29 to ~59. They also have 8x4x24x laptop cdrw's for $29. Be careful though - a lot of the stuff they sell is "AS-IS". I bought 2 laptop dvd drives from them and only 1 of them worked.
09-05-2002 11:22:25

New MessageProgress - or lack thereof (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Progress or Lack Thereof

Tracing the Think Pad is much more challenging than the i-o. Most of the traces are on internal layers, even on the riser board from the MB to the ribbon connector. Progress is slow but it is still moving.

GWIZAH

Any progress on your end?

Side Note

I can across this link for 3 free prototype PCB's. Now if we just had a brief case for all the PCB projects that have been generated so far.

09-10-2002 22:03:34

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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Any progress KneuB_2 or gwizah?
10-02-2002 10:13:14

New MessageProgress .... Sort of (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Progress - Status

Grima

I've corresponded with GWIZAH off-line and even though he keeps trying to plug it in, it appears that new baby is taking a lot more time than he expected (That was my interpretation of the situation not his words). Having been there and done that, we would probably need to hire an infant care worker for a week end in order to break some of his time free (anyone wanting to donate to the cause).

On my end, tracing on the Think Pad has been a B I T C H ! I would estimate that less than 5% of all traces run entirely on one of the two surfaces. There are at least 3 internal layers that I can actually see parts of through the green board when under the scope with a good light (but not well enough to follow). I have been working from both ends (connectors and the video chip) and the ground traces are the only ones that I have actually completed so far. The vast majority of the traces go through a chip which I have had no success identifying and it is looking like a show stopper if I can't dig up some info on it. The chips label is;

NEC Japan
53G9034
IBM
9435WK707

A few of the traces run through a few other chips that I have not been able to track down but the one above appears to be the key. I have contacted NEC about the chip but they defer to IBM. I have yet to find a "Real" tech support link (or person) for IBM as every contact I've had with them has been brain dead "that aint my job" redirect operators. Help would be greatly appreciated at this point.

10-02-2002 19:09:50

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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Sorry, I switched off for a while. This looks like a custom RAMDAC, and a potential show-stopper. Those guys at IBM Yamato labs (who designed these infernal Thinkpads which I love to death) obviously have many tricks up their sleeve.
10-03-2002 00:19:45

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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I'm thinking that it's probably not worth that much trouble...I'll keep my eyes open for a 10.4" TFT with published pinouts on ebay and other places I know. I'm pretty sure I can get something rather inexpensively within the next few weeks.
10-03-2002 16:03:34

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Mavromatis
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How about this IBM 10.4" TFT? Would it work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2057993635

10-04-2002 11:59:01

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Mavromatis

Do you have the pinouts for that screen?

10-04-2002 17:04:45

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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GWIZAH
Grima

Any progress guys?

10-27-2002 22:14:24

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 1 times) Grima
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I'm in contact with the seller in this auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2064989389

He claims to have the datasheet. I've asked him to email it to me to make sure it has a pinout. If it does, I'll try and snipe the auction :).

10-30-2002 15:52:28

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Grima

If the seller really does have the spec sheet with the pinouts I'm sure that LCDspecifications.com would love to receive a copy since they only have the promo sales type spec sheet on this one.

10-31-2002 17:10:31

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) oldman
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Grima:

if you are good, and email me your snail mail address, i'll send you the pin-outs for a sharp LQ10D367 color lcd-tft 640x480 vga 10.4" 18bit and i may know where to get a bios upgrade file for it(but right now, i do not know what brand of bios this upgrade is for).

have fun,


oldman
10-31-2002 20:25:18

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) oldman
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Grima:

i'm back
that bios file is for a Chips & Technologies display controller.
it will not work on the Trident Cyberblade in the i-o.
this makes me think that if someone does connect a tft to their i-o in place of the display it has, it will not work unless they change the bios code that runs the Trident.
i think this code is also specific to each brand and model of display since the company that i got the info from has different bios files for each display they support.
if you can get programming specs on the Trident chip and on the display you intend to use, you may be able to write new code for the bios.
since i am not a programmer, i found an easy way to run a tft on an i-o. i got the fusion microsystems airport terminal from the thread in 'breaking news'. the display has svga input and runs on +12 and +5 volts. i run it from the svga output from the i-o.
let me know if you need the pin-outs for the LQ10D367.

have fun,


oldman
10-31-2002 21:30:54

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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The seller does only have the sales type spec sheet. I have emailed oldman and asked nicely for a copy of the spec sheet, so I guess I'll give it a try at bidding. I guess we'll have to try our luck with the Cyberblade.
11-01-2002 23:45:50

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Grima

I'm sure hopping your e-bay user name is jbjorgen!

11-03-2002 01:13:16

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 1 times) Grima
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It just so happens that it is. I've already sent payment and am just waiting for shipment.

Did you get my email oldman?

11-03-2002 20:06:53

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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Update

I received the screen and it appears to be in good condition (possibly even new -- it still has the protective plastic on the LCD). As soon as I can get my hands on the datasheet, I'll order an inverter for it. I'm putting out feelers to see if I can get a lcd cable with a 31-pin hirose connector on one end and and bare wire on the other. (Or does the current LCD already use that same connector? I don't have my I-Opener here...I gave it to a girlfriend to use at college because it's "cute").

11-07-2002 15:27:58

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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Either way, I have a cable with a 31-pin hirose connector on the way.
11-08-2002 13:14:25

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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I found a couple sites with the pinout for this screen listed. Both sites matched, so I'll assume they're correct. This is my best guess from the info posted above as to how this would be hooked up.


LCD Function I-Opener
Pin Row/Col
1 GND L11
2 CK H5
3 Hsync G4
4 Vsync G5
5 GND L11
6 R0 L3
7 R1 K4
8 R2 J3
9 R3 H1
10 R4 H2
11 R5 G2
12 GND L11
13 G0 L2
14 G1 K5
15 G2 J4
16 G3 J5
17 G4 J1
18 G5 J2
19 GND L11
20 B0 Test Pad (PD16)
21 B1 Test Pad (PD17)
22 B2 K1
23 B3 K2
24 B4 K6
25 B5 K3
26 GND L11
27 ENAB H4 ?
28 Vcc F1 ?
29 Vcc F1 ?
30 R/L N/C
31 U/D N/C
11-11-2002 16:41:58

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Grima

That is the way I see it. I'm looking forward to hearing of your results.

11-12-2002 22:19:13

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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I'm still waiting on the backlight inverter. It's scheduled to arrive on the 20th.
11-14-2002 15:29:04

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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I received the screen pinouts from oldman in the mail, and they confirmed the above pinout as well, so it looks like everything is correct on the screen end of things.
11-15-2002 11:24:47

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 1 times) Grima
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Progress...(or lack thereof)

It's been a busy month with the holidays. With a girlfriend 7 hrs. away in Washington DC, I haven't had much time. I think I mentioned before that I gave away my first I-Opener, so I acquired another one and am almost done hacking it. This is the one that will have the TFT in it (or at least attempted).

If he's willing, I'll probably ship the whole lot off to KneuB_2 and let him actually change out the screen. I'm a software guy and more or less electronically ignorant. Also, since he's gone to all the trouble of getting the pinout, something tells me he should be the first to power up an IO with a working TFT (knock on wood). I believe I have all the necessary parts, so it would probably only take a couple hours.

KneuB_2: If you are interested, email me at jbjorgen at bigfoot dot com

12-10-2002 11:48:42

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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The hectic holiday season is over, Grima evidently changed his mind so I'm back to following the traces. I'll explain my irational guess work later, but for now I've posted a pdf file of my present guesses for the ThinkPad TFT pinouts. My intended goal is to finish the traces for the power and the DSTN cable then bread board a working TP DSTN to the i-O to prove out the pinouts then finish the trace work for the TP TFT cable, plug in the TP TFT and pray that wild_pencil is still around when I get to that point. I should be only a couple weeks away from bread boarding the DSTN so if anyone has a working Think Pad DSTN screen they would be willing to risk please keep me in mind.

02-17-2003 23:08:13

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Askalon
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Will only TP ones work? How about Dells? I may be able to get some from a CPi series laptop
03-06-2003 22:19:13

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 1 times) KneuB_2
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Askalon

If the intent of your statement is to provide a DSTN panel from a DELL to help prove out the TP pinouts, it would only work if it could be shown that the DSTN screen used in the DELL is the same one used in the TP. Establishing that the screens are common between the two models would be a bit of a challenge unless someone like Linuxguru were willing to see if he could plug the DELL screen into a working TP. The objective of the DSTN screen is to validate the TP pinouts are correct and then from there work on getting the TP TFT to function.

On the other hand if your statement is to offer a DELL TFT screen (I do not know what type of screens were available in the CPi) to plug into the i-o to try and get TFT functioning we are back to square one.... i.e. the pinouts must be know for the DELL screen first. If the pinouts for the DELL screen are indeed available then that would be the preferred case at the moment. I guess the question is; What do you have in mind?

03-07-2003 01:09:11

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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It's been a rather hectic few week, but I'm back .... for a couple more weeks anyway. A routine physical led to a series of specialists and then in for a couple exploratory surgery's. The problem is the boys with the sharp knives want me back on the table in 3 to 4 weeks. Only this time they want to remove my ticker, cut it in half, remove and replace a valve in the center of it, sew it all back together, reinstall it and then try to restart it. Somehow it was far easier to discuss such things when it wasn't quite so personal. To be utterly frank about it, I have a 6 year old daughter that I really want to see grow up and.... I suppose I've vented enough so I shall get back on topic.

I have not done squat since my last post. GWIZAH is there any chance of talking you into plugging in that TFT screen you have? I could really use a good success story about now.

03-17-2003 05:00:22

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Askalon
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Dude, I hope everything goes without a hitch. just make sure the machines they are using do not run windows and you should be OK. On the other note, my intention was to use an LCD from a Dell lappy, but again, it would require running the trace routes to see where each pinout leads to, so i don't think that would be good.

On another note, i was able to get two TP 760 ED's. Will these work for the I-Opener or are they junk?

Thanks,

Clayton

03-17-2003 13:37:14

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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KneuB_2,

Man, I havent breezed by these boards in months! I just haven't had the time to muck around with the I-O anymore, but I'm definitely going to try again, hopefully next week. Jeez, I can't believe there is still any interest in adding a TFT to that sucker. Good luck with the "Boys with the sharp knives"...

Just have to see if I can convince my wife to let me drop $100 on the Intel dot station...heheh :)

04-04-2003 10:02:50

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Askalon

With regard to the TP 760 ED's, without the pinouts they are only good for the Think pad models for which they are known to work.

GWIZAH

Please make my day, plug that TFT screen in. I could really use some good news about now. Even it it does not work I would feel a lot better just ot hear that somebody has tried the pinouts I posted.

There has been a small change in the surgery arena. Not only are they going to replace the aortic valve but they will "attempt" to rebuild the Mitral valve as well. They will replace the mitral valve if they can't rebuild it. The surgery is in 5 days (4/15).

04-10-2003 21:28:57

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) maidtina
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Good luck! just make sure they dont do a window mod and a cold cathode for good measure :)
04-12-2003 12:17:57

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Grima
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KneuB_2:

Sorry 'bout never sending that I-Opener. I never did finish hacking it. I'll try to get it done soon. I still have your address, so don't be too surprised if it shows up on your doorstep in a bit. Good luck on the surgery.

04-13-2003 15:46:55

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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I'm Back sort of

I'm home now ... YES! with only about three and a half weeks left of pillow hugging to go and then I should be able to exceed the 5lb weight limit that I'm presently limited to followed by a couple months of rehab. The worst part so far is having to cough or sneeze..... those are real SHIT KICKERS. I should be able to turn a screw driver and get back into the game once the 5 lb limit is lifted. In the mean time I'm all ears and would love to hear how others have fared on this.

kneub_2

05-04-2003 22:34:12

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Grima

I would love to try and assemble that i-o with the TFt screen if you would care to send it.

05-26-2003 21:46:29

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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I know someone identified the LCD connector and posted a link to it, but I can't seem to find it. Would someone re-identify it please.
08-13-2003 12:50:51

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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What an uncanny coincidence -- I am also searching for CN2's identity, though I *KNOW* I saw it posted long ago. Arrrgh.

Yep, I'm back on the TFT Hack, too. I'm gathering information and parts to make the IOpener drive my LCD monitor via DFP, and if that's successful, I'll see if I can get it to directly drive a 10" or 12" TFT. 'Still think there's a PCI register or two that needs to be set by the BIOS to get TFT mode working.

'Gotta get it done now, 'cause the girlfriend's IOpener is ready to kick the bucket, and she won't let me replace it with anything but a new IOpener. *Sigh*

-WP

08-13-2003 18:32:02

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) oldman
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KneuB_2:

nobody has ever posted the pinouts for cn2. i think the lcd was just something most people wanted to leave alone.

i am surprised none of you working on a tft have traced out the cable with the pin diagram from which ever dstn display you have.

Wild_Pencil:

the registers are probably in the Trident chip, since the display chip generates all the timing signals for the entire i-o.

have fun,


oldman
08-13-2003 22:09:16

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Wild_Pencil

It's good to see you are back on this. I'm in the process of setting up to do a little bread board experimentation on this issue and I need the connector for the LCD. I've also resumed the search for a TFT screen with known pinouts. But until I can find such a screen I will be playing "What-If" games with the Think Pad screen that I already have.

Now for the rally embarrassing part. I just found the link I was looking for....it is the 19th post in THIS thread, and if that is not bad enough, "I" made the 19th post and credited you and JAK1 with identifying it.

08-17-2003 12:20:17

New MessageTFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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oldman

I do not believe that anybody has ever found the pinouts for any of the DSTN screens used on the i-o. If you have them please post.

08-17-2003 13:20:19

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) oldman
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KneuB_2:

i have e-mailed the complete datasheets for both the sharp an hitachi dstn lcd's to you as attachments.

these are .pdf, but still big files.

i hope your e-mail address in the profile is correct.

if they do not get through, e-mail to me your snail mail address and i'll send them as hard copies.

have fun,


oldman
08-17-2003 14:47:20

New MessageRE:TFT Screen Part IV (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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oldman

I received them, now I shall go dig through them a bit.

Thank you

08-17-2003 16:37:06

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This has gotten to long see TFT Screen, Part V
09-02-2003 22:19:50

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