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Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Hi, I got hold of a couple of images of Be-IA from one of those Compaq IA things. Out of curiosity I flashed them onto my V5 I-Opener and booted. One died pretty quickly starting the bootloader, the other came up with the BeOS text boot screen but wouldn't detect any devices to boot from. (Anyone who tried older versions of Be-OS is probably familiar with that ) I'm wondering if I can unpack the image to a *NIX box, play around with the config and add any drivers needed for the I-Opener, rebuild the image and be able to use it. Has anyone else tried doing this? I'll have a crack at it myself and if I have any success I'll post it here. Have Fun, MrKemak 02-04-2003 07:45:37

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile you can't use linux to mount and see in the image file unless you have beos file system ,only way is run the beos 4.5 or 5.0 on desktop and mount the image would you like to put up the image on a ftp or personal diskspace site? so we can share it and examine it 02-04-2003 12:44:17

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Hi, I had a feeling that would be the way it went. I wasnt sure if BeOS used a propriety FS, or with it being UNIX based, if some of the other Distros would have it. I'll get BeOS PE installed and give it a try. I got the images from here http://thinker.falcons2000.com/ia1/ look in the files section list items, BeIA Image and Second BeIA image. The second one is the one I think got the furthest on booting. Have Fun, MrKemak 02-04-2003 13:10:12

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile you might try get beos developer edition 1.1 from http://www.beosonline.com it's free registration and im downloading it at the moment btw you must dl both images to burn on cd ,one is a boot image for track1 and main image for track2 this developer version is just what i looked for since beos personal edition 5.0 didnt have that :) and it has beos 5.03 update 02-05-2003 02:06:23

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Yeah, there was an article posted about BeOS on /. not long after I posted this thread, it mentioned the dev version. I got it last night but I've not had time to mess with it. Cheers! MrKemak 02-05-2003 07:36:31

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) Coward Profile BeOS cannot mount a BeIA img, in out of the box form. BeIA uses a different file system again, called CFS (compressed file system) To be able to mount a BeIA img, you will need Dano or the BeIA dev kit, both include the need file system support. good luck 02-05-2003 18:05:46

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile one major probem with beos dev 1.1 is it will not display setup screen(does boot to beos screen) is that beos may not like cyberblade 7i chipset which is the same chipset in iopener and netier i was tryng to install beos dev 1.1 on netier 1000xl damn it 02-06-2003 16:43:59

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) *SF* Profile I Hope everyone knows this, & You have tried whatever would be the same in Be OS Try adding the following line to your Autoexec.bat file in the root directory. mode co80 (this switches Video Modes from Graphic to Text) 02-06-2003 17:34:58

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile that may not work if booting from installation cd and i checked the site for video cards compatiablity , nope trident cyberblade 7i is not supported :( and lindows and qnx does support it im booting netier on qnx 6.2 :) so ..... it's out of question for now 02-06-2003 17:42:01

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Hi, Currently I'm trying out the various different BeOS variants I've found (Dev, Max and Dano) to see if I can get the stuff I need, before tackling anything related to drivers, we'll need to see if we can even decompress and mount the BeIA image to see whats in there. I also found this http://www.bebits.com/app/3004 which mentions support for the CyberBlade7 chipset. MrKemak 02-06-2003 20:02:12

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile i know that bebit site talking about cyberblade 7i support but it's only a patch to mod the trident 3dblade but how you add that to beos dev 1.1 cd image for booting to gui installation screen???? 02-06-2003 21:12:45

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile whoo!!! got beos dev 1.1 installed on netier! here's the workaround is hit spacebar while beos is booting and you have beos options menu choose options and check fail safe video mode on and choose failsafe video mode to your choosing and presto you have installation screen im posting this right from beos on netier cool 02-07-2003 16:37:35

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Well, I'm not having much success with this. Can't even get the Dev version to boot on my I-Opener, but that may be cos I did my installs on another machine then put the drive back in the I-Opener (don't have a CD-ROM drive on it) I tried the safe booting option and it still hung at the same point. On my other PC I tried out both Dev and Max(is it just me or is the default backdrop for that version a little bit disturbing?). Its a while since I'd used BeOS, I forgotten what a cool OS it is, anyone who's not tried it, give it a whirl. Anyhoo, neither version recognized the BeIA image which I'd dolly'ed to a hard drive. (Also tried booting the I-Opener off that drive to see if it was just having an issue reading from the SanDisk, but it failed.) I'll take a better look at how the Midori users handle their images and see if I can pick up any ideas there. While scrolling through the image with a hex editor, I noticed a text message that mentioned gzip files. If that ties in with the post about BeIA using a compressed file system, perhaps we can figure out where the boot loader stuff ends and the compressed stuff begins, chop out the compressed stuff, decompress it..etc..etc. Have Fun, MrKemak 02-09-2003 15:44:47

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile dummy! not the safe mode ,it the videomode setting in be menu and option i did that on netier and it works , btw you can't boot beos cd from iopener as bios dosnt support cd booting without a special iopener bios patch like v540 and only way to boot the cd is put the floppyboot image on sandisk or hd partition whatever? netier and iopener are based on same via chipsets 02-09-2003 17:07:02

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Yeah, I know what the video menu options are for, when I mentioned using safe mode I was just explaining that I played around with the various options in there to see if any of them would do something. 02-09-2003 19:03:48

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Got it Dev BeOS working on the I-Opener! Turns out it was a screwed partition table that was holding it up. 02-09-2003 22:01:18

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile told you so! ya! this confirm that netier and iopener are the same family 02-09-2003 23:42:56

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile good news, i gotten ahold of beia dev pkg to add on :) now where do i upload that pkg to? for users to dl 02-11-2003 01:51:21

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Hi, What kind of BeIA package? Is it one of those ones I found from the IA-1's or another one? Does it work on the IO? While BeOS runs pretty well on my IO, the USB networking seems very flakey which makes me wonder if its even worth continuing with this. And that CyberBlade patch won't take. It identifies the chipset but then says it doesn't want to apply itself. I half wonder if its something to do with Vendor ID's, that could perhaps be hex edited around. MrKemak 02-11-2003 07:37:13

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile it's a beos add on package with wagner included allowing you to build a beia image and test it in wagner i did load up wagner and can see the stock beia screen and as for trident patch we have same problem as described darn , i have to do space key every time i boot to change the setting 02-11-2003 11:45:58

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile oddily that if i click on beos developer 1.1 release note from the desktop area and i read through and noticed that trident list and it saz cyberblade 7i supported ?????? what the f*** i do not understand why beos wont use that driver properly? and if i click on screen from withing preference and you see the modes setting but rest is greyed out except for default mode set by failsafe videomode hmm....... this is going to be difficult one , some users from what i read about the driver had successfully had cyberblade 7i working!!! 02-11-2003 13:29:06

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Yeah, I saw comments on one of the Forums (BeosOnline I think), where people mentioned getting it working but they were on laptops. Thats why I was wondering about the VendorID, perhaps the I-Opener architecture returns a different ID to what the patch expects. MrKemak 02-11-2003 13:58:54

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile BTW, do you have a URL for that BeIA Image you mentioned? MrKemak 02-11-2003 14:10:00

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile you talking about beia_pkg.zip? it is not an image but an install pkg by softwarevalt :) it came from a * Lithuanian server under url http://beos.home.lt/files/files/beia_pkg.zip isnt that the country that seceeded from ussr back then yup the package are full english version as for the cyberblade 7i the vendor id is with motherboard that video is built in , i think the add on cyberblade7i card will work (X-O)damn it for built in chipset users 02-11-2003 14:48:26

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hmmm..... the beia image from compaq ia should have worked on your and mine it uses same cyberblade 7i chipset!! only diffrence is sound chipset is diffrent ,maybe your iopener sound chip need to be disabled in order to boot??? btw it's setup for booting from cf while iopener boot from sandisk 02-11-2003 15:07:07

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile Well, I dolly'ed the BeIA images onto my hard drive and booted up the IO(with sound disabled in the BIOS as suggested) Holding down the space bar brings up the boot menu. I played around with the safe options, one of which allows you to turn on kernel debugging. It bombs and you can get debug info out of it. Making any sense of it is another matter though. I also tried booting the images on my PII machine, same result. It's occurred to me, that if I had an actual IA-1 I'd have access to the filesystem(?) and be able to export it from the machine in a more usable way than these compressed images. In the meantime I'm off to dolly Dev BeOS back onto my IO drive and see if I can figure anything else out about the cyberblade driver issue. MrKemak 02-11-2003 20:02:09

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile really? this confirms that kernel boots on iopener but done play with debug or kernel setting in safe boot setting ,what about normal safe boot ? what do you see? a beos boot screen then the gui with mouse poniter? while i was on beshare i came across another pkg like beia with diffrent file size of 82mb? hmm.... 02-11-2003 21:03:50

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) mrkemak Profile On a normal boot I see a black screen with a blinking cursor silently mocking me 02-11-2003 21:13:01

RE:Using BE-IA Images on the I-Opener (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile btw the compaq ia1 is setup for cf card so it trying to mount to nonexist cf card that iopener doesnt have 02-11-2003 22:13:32

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