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V6 iopener?
Found an iopener that won't take V540 BIOS

New MessageV6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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I have recently come across an iopener that breaks the mold: It won't boot on V540A BIOS. I also tried the V541B recently posted here, no luck. It is a working unit: boots into QNX from the BIOS that came with it.

Is this a next-version (V6) iopener? There are a few other differences, too, from a V5: two motherboard connectors for the backlight, one narrow and one wide. And a tiny little daughter card that adapts the lcd connector leaving the motherboard, wedged right under the heat sink at the top of the board. Otherwise, it matches a v5 with the rise 266 processor and AC97 sound and no epoxy on the BIOS. The BIOS it came with boots to a black background with white and green iopener logo. It doesn't seem to have any keyboard combination to get to a setup screen.

Help! I paid for this one, thinking it was hackable.

12-22-2004 00:03:45

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Wow, that's interesting. What ISP is that machine configured to use?

Does this mystery machine's BIOS work if you pop it into the V5 you're comparing it against? At least, will it power up and display the boot-logo image?

12-22-2004 15:20:24

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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wild_pencil,

Interestingly, the BIOS from my "v6" does not boot any other iopener I have (currently 5 of them). I have hacked more than 40 now and this one is unlike any I've ever seen. I haven't tried to let the thing dial, or looked at what ISP it is set up to use.

I would be willing to hot-swap the mystery BIOS into another iopener just to read it into an .img file, if you'd like to disassemble it. (Or I'll ship you the "v6" iopener if you want to play around with it.)

Kerry

12-22-2004 17:19:16

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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kctx7

A daughter card adapter for the LCD?

Is the LCD a different make or model than what has been reported here before?

12-23-2004 04:14:03

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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The LCD is a Toshiba LTM10C348U. The daughter card has a Thine THC63LVDM83A chip and a handful of discrete components. I have some jpg images if there is a way to upload them here. This should be interesting as the LTM10C348U is TFT!

New progress: I was able to attach a regular-old sharp display (the motherboard has extra connectors for it), and the iopener boots with V540A BIOS.

I haven't flashed the bios or the onboard flash yet.

wild_pencil: I assume you'll want to take a look at this puppy?

12-24-2004 08:39:30

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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kctx7,

Email me the BIOS image at my yahoo mail account, and I'll have a look. I'll let the hardware gurus have fun identifying the hardware differences.

Thanks!

12-24-2004 13:43:01

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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I didn't read that other part you mentioned earlier.. after googling around, it looks like the LCD is indeed a TFT part. That'll definitely explain why it doesn't appear to boot up.

Now I'm *VERY* interested in taking a look at this BIOS... it probably has exactly what we need to enable TFT displays for the lower IOpener models.

12-24-2004 19:57:25

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 1 times) Wild_Pencil
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OK, I had a look at the images. All I gotta say is.. WOW! A complete hardware revision made JUST for TFT!

The daughter-card implements an LVDS signal driver.. it translates the 18-bit RGB signal to run across fewer wires. That's something of interest to the people who want to install this in their cars -- the LVDS signal scheme should be more robust across longer cable lengths.

Maybe someone can reverse-engineer the daughter-card, so that older IOpeners can drive LVDS TFT displays. There are some really cheap IBM laptop displays out there, which have no published pinouts, but are likely LVDS.

There are other TFT panels that will acept direct RGB signals (like the TFT panels I have), in which case, the daughter-card won't be necessary. You'd just need a custom cable attached to one of the two available connectors. I'll bet that the new connector on the "V6" has the missing "blue" signal connected. (I'm jealous now.. heheh!)

Wow.. just when I thought I was going to retire my IOpener collection, we get a DMA optimization and possibly a TFT solution. :o)

-WP

12-25-2004 03:14:36

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Glitch
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kctx7: I'd be very interested in viewing the images. Please let me know of they will be available on the net or you can email a copy to me at "smoke_liberator at yahoo dot com". Thanks.

I'm also curious about how you got the machine. I'd love to buy one to dabble with.


Glitch
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12-26-2004 08:46:09

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 1 times) Wild_Pencil
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For convenience, I have mirrored the images at http://www.not404.com

I'd be interested in finding the source of these IOpeners, too.

12-26-2004 13:16:20

New MessageThe source of the V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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I was going to spare y'all the details of how I got the V6 iopener, but since you asked ...

I live in Austin, TX, home of the late Netpliance, Inc. I don't know if this has any impact on the number of iopeners I've found up till now, but the very first one I found might have been a test unit -- it was missing some components and still had the default root password, way after Netpliance had stopped building them. I didn't even know what it was when I found it at a junk store.

I fixed the hardware and learned how to hack the software.

I built this great little fixture which allows me to connect a real-live 16MB compact flash to the IDE chain, obviating the need to mess around with drive geometries. I can hack a (regular, old V1-V5) iopener in less than 45 minutes. I once scored 25 of them and hacked them all in a production-line fashion, bringing the per-unit time down even more. I have found at least 15 more indivual units. I have sold all of them, cheap, to friends to use as digital picture frames.

I don't find many anymore and I have a backlog of 7 orders, so I turned to eBay.

There were a few listings from someone in Austin claiming to have prototype units from the manufacturer. It turns out he is one of the co-founders, Ken K., and ultimately I met him in person and bought all the iopeners he had on hand, saving the shipping costs . Some of them were painted wacky colors and they ranged from very old to very new.

The V6 unit in question was complete, in the classic blue box with a handle, and it had been registered and used by an end user. Probably a return. I'll see Ken again next year to talk about any remaining stock and I'll get more of the story on this V6 unit. I'll find out how many of these V6 units shipped if possible.

Kerry

12-27-2004 17:34:37

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Grima
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Cool. I'm still watching the BBS in hopes of getting a TFT to work in my I-Opener. Good Luck Wild_Pencil
12-29-2004 13:50:11

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Some Progress...

The QNX partition-check routine used in v2-v5 has been removed in this v6 version.. so I think your v6 machine might be "usable" if you configure the CMOS using the v5 BIOS and a DSTN screen, then switch to the TFT display and the v6 BIOS. About the only "lock-in" feature that carried over from the v5 BIOS is the setup screen hotkey being disabled.

I noticed a new vga bios came with this image, so I used Award's cbrom utility to add it to a v5 BIOS to see what changed. It looks like this new version forces a windowed (black-bordered) 800x600 display on my flat-panel. (I'm running Analog VGA on a flat-panel LCD, so it's difficult to tell with the A/D convertor in the way). The original v5's vga rom used a mode that allowed my panel's analog convertor to scale the image to display things in full-screen. I'm still debating on that one.. on one hand, it's nice that the text-mode cursor doesn't disappear anymore; but it sure blows to have those large black borders on a 17" LCD panel. I think I'd rather have the blurry, scaled full-screen. :-7

While trying this v6 BIOS on my v3, I notice that it won't start anything up at all. No display, not even on the VGA port. Must be a new hardware check introduced in this v6 version.. It's going to take a few days to figure out what's going on and see if I can either disable the check, or extract the TFT activation settings and back-port it to the v5 BIOS. It's still very early in the game.

12-29-2004 19:17:07

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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wild_pencil,

I attempted the swapped screen/swapped BIOS and changed the setup to use the external drive... after switching back to the V6 BIOS, it still doesn't boot off the external drive. It just sat there with the i-opener logo showing. Is it possible that the CMOS settings differ from one BIOS to the next, or is there some other "lock-in" feature in the V6 BIOS we'll have to deal with?

If you get a version that just enables the setup-screen for the V6 BIOS, I'll check out whether it can boot from the external drive.

Kerry

12-29-2004 20:37:07

New MessageRosettastone (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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kctx7

I would love to try and reverse engineer the adapter card. I would also like to get a real close look at the mother board. Please drop me an e-mail if Ken is able to fix you up with another V6, as I will disect it for the world to see.

12-30-2004 03:48:46

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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kctx7,

The CMOS config between the two versions should be the same -- they both come from the same code base.

Judging from Netpliance's tactics in the past, I'm not at all surprised to find that there are new protection routines that need to be defeated. Maybe the partition-check was just moved elsewhere, instead of being so obvious in the middle of the disk bootstrap routine. I just need to sit down and spend some time analyzing the two versions side-by-side. I'll probably have more to report after the weekend.

12-30-2004 11:31:53

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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Well,

I talked to Ken again, and this "v6" iopener is one of only TWO in existence. Sorry folks, you won't see any appearing on eBay or at the swap meet.

Kerry

01-03-2005 14:12:36

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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kctx7

Thank you for the pics, at first glance there are many via's that penatrate the board but do not connect to anything on the other side. Traces connected to such vias usually go to internal traces or power or ground planes internal to the board. If such vias are all going to internal power or ground grids it will make things easier because that can usually be asertained from the chip spec (I still have to find that yet). One of the more difficult aspects of reverse engineering this board can be seen in Pic8.jpg. Note the relatively large quantity of traces running under each end of the THC63LVDM83A. The quantiy of traces running under the left end is much greater than the qty running under the right end,and they are not all the same width. This could get challenging. I will have to do some more serious digging to know if this is even possible with just photos. If you come accross the chip spec sheet please send me a copy.

Thank you

01-23-2005 01:34:38

New MessageSpec Sheets (modified 0 times) KneuB_2
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Here is the spec sheet THC63LVD823

Here are the Application Notes

The manufacturers home page Thine.Co.Jp

01-23-2005 12:00:48

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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kctx7:

If you are talking with Ken, ask him what became of the thousands of iOs wharehoused in CA and involved in the maintenance claim. These should have hit the surplus or scrap market by now. Who's sitting on them?

Thanks,

r_fl_z

02-27-2005 22:47:15

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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Believe me, I've been searching for the motherlode. I have tried many contacts at tipping point, formerly netpliance. No luck finding any supply of iopeners.
07-20-2005 15:59:16

New MessageRE:V6 iopener? (modified 0 times) kctx7
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wild_pencil,

any luck on a hacked version of the BIOS I should try out?

The V6 iopener is still sitting on my desk under a pile of other "projects"...

Kerry

07-20-2005 16:00:22

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