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Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg)
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New MessageDatasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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This is a generic 50A, 30V N-channel power MOSFET, and should be widely available. This is Q16 on a V5, and replaces the 28N03L on earlier versions. I guess that a straight swap of the 28N03L will probably work and provide higher current limit for Vcore on the earlier versions. I can't find the datasheet for the 28N03L.

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/FD/FDD6030L.html

08-04-2000 12:44:05

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) fandangoo
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Thanks for the info. I have a V2 Iopener which also has the 6030L MOSFET. I'm running it with a K6-III from Fry's at 200MHz and 2.3V. It's stable but the FET gets very hot. Still looking for a good switch-mode replacement power supply...
08-05-2000 13:24:12

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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Linuxguru: Good work. I too am looking at upgrading my V3s to the AMD K6-III. I unsoldiered R342 and R343 from a V5 to get the correct values for dropping the core to 2.0v. They are R342=25K and R343=102K which makes a divider of 0.8 from the 2.5 volt reference (25/102) * 2.5v = 2.0v. They also changed R203, the feedback resistor, from 4.6K on the V3 to 10K on the V4/V5.

When I ran the K6-III in my V5 at 2.0v Q16 got to 50c case temp.

The max current available for the core voltage is less than 6.6A. That is the current limit set by R302 (0.015 ohms) for the 3.5 volt bulk supply. We are never going to pass more than 7A through Q16 so what good is it to have a higher ampere Q16. A higher ampere rating just means its full ON resistance is lower. But we need it to drop about 1.5 volts to get the core down to 2v. For 6A the effective resistance would be 0.25 ohms. Power dissipation would be around 9 watts (1.5 * 6).

For the 6030 a 50c case temperature does not seem very high. If we are dissipating 9 watts and the case is at 50c the junction is at 50c+2.1*9 or 69c (2.1 is c/w the thermal resistance of the case). The max Tj is listed as 150c so we are very safe (hot but safe).

I believe people have had trouble running the higher speed (current) processors not because of a limit with Q16 but because they are exceeding the bulk supply limit of 6.6 amps. The Iopener power supply protects itself and shuts down.

It would help to have the spec for the 28N03L but I may make all the V5 changes to my V3 and then just measure the temp of Q16. It it is not too much higher than 50c it may still be ok.

08-05-2000 20:34:58

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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You are correct, the limit is the overall current budget, not due to Q16 alone. But from a reliability standpoint, it helps that the 6030 has a max Tj of 150 c (that's pretty close to softening 63/37 solder . Also, I saw something about continuous Ids of 10 A at 115 c. So we're very safe, even if water boils off it in normal operation. However, the glue that binds the laminate and the copper to the laminate may deteriorate at higher temperatures, and some of the dissipated heat may affect adjacent components.

However, as you rightly observed, there is sufficient margin with a case temperature of 50 c. My observation is that 4x66 at 2.0 v is well within the power budget, provided the hard drive does not load it over the power budget (of course, the HD runs off the 5v supply).

For a dissipation of 10 W, they should have seriously considered a switching regulator, similar to the designs used in Voltage Regulator Modules (VRMs). Those 10 W would have gone a long way in helping to power attached USB devices.

While we're on the topic of temperature, the other issue is that the K6-III uses the IBM C4 flip-chip solder-ball process to bond the chip to the ceramic substrate. On the plus side, the max current-density of the solder balls is higher than wire-bonded pads on Intel chips. So it is much more resistant to failure due to high current densities. The balls themselves can soften at higher temperatures, but that is not particularly important, since it will not come into play until we get to 200 c or higher, by which point the chip would anyway have died due to other unnatural causes. In short, the C4 process packages can withstand stresses due to overclocking and improper cooling somewhat better than traditional wire-bonding.

08-06-2000 01:50:43

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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Linuxguru: You don't happen to work at the Cottle Road plant do you?
08-06-2000 09:24:37

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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No, but I did write the some of the machine-vision and motion-control software for the C4 solder-mask inspection system a few years ago as a contractor at IBM, Boca Raton. That was a pretty impressive piece of custom mechanical, optical, electrical and software engineering.
08-06-2000 11:43:09

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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OK, here is a pointer to the spec sheet for the 28N03L. If you look very closely the part has a logo stamped on it. However, I had never seen the Infineon logo before so it did not help in locating the data sheet. The full part number is SPD 28N03L a 30V 30A 0.018 ohm N channel SIPMOS rated to 175c (25c higher than the 6030).

http://www.infineon.com/products/power/pdf/d28n03l.pdf

This part might be better than the 6030 since we are going to be dropping 1.5 volts at 6A through it. Of my 3 V3s only one use this part the other two use the 6030.

08-07-2000 16:19:43

New MessageRE:Datasheet for 6030L Power MOSFET (Vcore reg) (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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Link to the other MOSFET Si4800.

http://www.vishay.com/docs/70856.pdf

08-07-2000 16:32:39

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