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Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz
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New MessageSafest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Parts:
K6-III+
IO Lasagna Cooler
4 pos half pitch dip switch (can scavenge from SW3)
.012 ohm smt 1 watt resistor
.13 ohm radial 10 watt wire wound resistor
1/4” wide, 1.5” long 10 mil copper strip for heat sink.

Boot up to CMOS setup (CNTRL-ALT-ESC) and select CHIPSET FEATURES SETUP
SET bank X/X Dram timing to 8 ns
SET SDRAM cycle length to 2
Save & exit

Shut down and remove the power cord.

Remove the CPU

Set up for split voltage:
Remove R60 and R61 upper right side of CPU socket
Solder these 0 ohm resistors at R184 and R185 at lower right of CPU socket

Set up 2v core voltage:
Solder 10K 1/4 watt resistor across solder pads for R343 upper right of SODIMM socket

Set up for 100 Mhz FSB
Remove modem daughter board by removing 4 screws and removing board to gain access to the dip switch area. Be careful of the connector. This may be removed or left connected as long as care is taken not to damage it.
Tin the solder pads for SW2 at the upper right of where the modem board was.
Solder 4 position dip switch in place going 1234 left to right. Solder wick can be used to clean up the connection if solder bridges form. Set 123 to ON and 4 to OFF. Replace modem and connector if needed.

Power up the board and check core voltage at pin 3 of Q16 at the upper left side of the SODIMM socket. Pin 3 is the one closest to the SODIMM socket. This should be 1.9 to 2.1 volts. If not, recheck your work.

Remove the power plug.

Replace the CPU & Lasagna cooler and test for booting to sandisk. It should work at this point.

Remove the power plug.

Add Cooling resistor:
Form the leads to allow the .13 ohm 10 watt resistor to run parallel to the SODIMM socket and reach to pin 3 of Q16. This is a little tricky, but you’ll figure it out. Insulate excess leads with heat shrink tubing.

Heat pin 3 of Q16 and carefully bend it up once the solder melts. Solder one lead of the resistor to the pad and one end to the lead of pin 3 of Q16. This inserts the cooling resistor in series with the drain of Q16. Gently bend the cooling resistor up so it does not rest on the SODIMM socket. This should come in contact with the RF shield when replaced but nothing conducting electricity should be exposed on the resistor.

Add the heat sink:
This is the most tedious part: Solder the 1/4” wide copper strip standing strait up to the tab on Q16 next to C166. Once cool, bend the tab while holding it firm with a needle nose so it is the same height as C166 and goes to the left. This will reduce board temperature by 10 degrees F. Without the heat sink speeds no faster than 400Mhz should be attempted. Temps with no heat sink at 400 are around 158F and with heat sink, the same at 450.

Add your drive, boot to windows and add K6clk.exe 4.5 in the autoexec.bat file to boost to 400 or 450 Mhz before Windows loads. (you need to have this program on your machine too :) )

Notes:
All V3’s are not made equal. One of mine will not go above 400Mhz, the other has no problem at 450 Mhz. The troublesome one will boot fine up to windows, allow me to log in, and then reboots shortly thereafter.

01-14-2001 17:58:50

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Badflash,
Do you think applying a thin flat heatsink (like ones that come on a p-II mainboard lx or bx ball grid array chip) on the opposite side of the i-Opener motherboard mounted directly opposite/under Q16 with two sided thermal tape or silver thermal epoxy would help with cooling too? Fins lined vertical so hot air flows up easier...Looks like there is enough space between the lcd and mainboard...Been kickin' this in my head awhile but have not got the i-Opener out yet to implement. Gosh those are collecting dust.....
01-14-2001 19:24:29

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Don't know. I've never opened one up to see. It is a lot easier to put the heat sink directly on the solder tab at the top of Q16. The other problem is conduction through the circuit board is poor. The cooling resistor does a super job, so I don't know that any more is needed. We may want to fool around with increasing the size of the cooling resistor a little, but you run into problems with Q16. The best you can do is .3 volts (or so the specs tell me, I could be wrong) in this application. .3 volts X 7 amps = 2.1 watts. Without the cooling resistor even at 4 amps the drop is 1.5 v X 4 amps =6 watts. I will take some readings on my machine and see if we can find a better resistor value, but this works pretty well.
01-15-2001 06:39:12

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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Badflash,
I'd like to apply this mod to the sytem that I've done already done your previous mod "Hacked V3 boost to 350 MHz, low risk mod" (http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=technical&Post=1753&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0) to my v3a, as follows:

R60=R61=open
R184=R185=0 ohms
R342=R343=10K Ohms

This gives me 2.06v.

Now for some good news: I bought a K6-III+ 450MHz from pcliquididators.com and it boots and runs at 266MHz
(neither of my Fry's K6-III 333MHz chips would boot at even at 233!). I ran it until the bios said that
the temperature was 49C, and shut it off. I have a finned heat sink thermal-taped onto Q16.

Now for my question: If I am going to apply this new mod do I put a 0 Ohm resistor on R342? In the
new mod you say to put 10K on R343, but don't mention R342. I presume these are instructions for an
unmodified unit. If I just remove R342 it will remove teh reference supply from pin 3 of U16, so
that's obviously wrong. And I presume that the resistor must do some voltage drop, so does that mean
I put a 0-Ohm resistor onto R342?

And do you have the resistors for sale, or does Radio Shack?

Thank you,
Leigh.

01-15-2001 13:14:23

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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If you have Q16 heat sinked and a core votage of 2 volts the ONLY thing you need to do is insert the cooling resistor in the drain lead of Q16. R342 is the pull up resistor tied to the 2.5V reference. R343 goes from it to groud to form the voltage divider. Don't mess with it.
01-15-2001 14:15:54

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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Thanks -- I should have seen that it's just dropping the supply voltage, not the Vcore.

BadFlash, if you think 0.12 Ohms is the optimal resistance, I'd be happy to participate in or organize
a group buy of 10 of these or any other resistor you think is better, or buy from from you
if you want to sell them instead.

Here are some links for buying power resistors:

Our friends at DigiKey have two resistors that meet the specs and are in non-conductive packages at
http://www.digikey.com/EC/V3/410-414.pdf

Huntington Electric Silicone-coated wire-wound resistor 0.13 Ohm 10W 5% ALSR10-.13-ND $1.92ea ($1.72 qty 10)

and

Ohmite Vitreous Enamel Conformal WireWound resistor 0.13 Ohm 10W +/-5% 20J-R13-ND $1.75 ea ($1.49 qty 10)

Digikey also has aluminum-housed chassis-mount ceramic resistors (i.e. built-in heat sinks) -- I don't know why you specified wire-wound, but there must be a good reason.

Also Surplus Sales has 0.125 Ohm wire-wound resistors, no clue as to shape/lead location
http://www.surplussales.com/Resistors/WW0015-1.html has
RWF-RS10-.125 .125 Ohm 10w 3% WW Resistor 1.75

Leigh.

01-15-2001 16:33:13

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I already did a group buy all by myself and I offer them at my web page and sell them one at a time, but you need to understand I run a buisness and don't do it for free, so don't expect to get a super good price. You can expect to get the right part, and get it fast and only pay $4 shipping. I sell all the parts needed for the 450 Mhz upgrade. When all is said and done, it isn't a bad deal and you know it works because these are the parts I used myself. If you have 5 or 10 I-O's to hack you should get the parts yourself, but if you just want one or two the cost plus the hassle isn't worth it.
01-16-2001 15:27:38

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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Great news -- I would have volunteered but it's better that you've alread done it.

I've dealt with BadFlash many times before and would be happy to again.

I found two 5W 0.27 Ohm resistors and put them in parallel. There was no room for my existing heat sink
so I will have to move the resistors and put longer leads on them or something. Running Linux, X, and MP3
I get 42C, but when I reboot and get to the BIOS, the temperature starts climbing. I turned it off at 51C.
Perhaps the BIOS puts the CPU in a tight loop or something. This is with cover off, 300=4.5*66, no heat sink
on Q16, but the cooling resistors in place, 2.06 Vcore.

I'll move the resistors a little next so they can be out the memory door (not too long on the leads for RF) and
put in the heat sink.

01-16-2001 18:03:56

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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51C isn't all that hot. My board is running around 160 degrees F. The resistors I use are pretty long and skinny so they fit nicely, not like those bricks it sounds like you have.
01-16-2001 20:56:35

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) UhClem
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I have a V1 with the K6-III+ and right now VCore is 1.53, I am using three 0.47 ohm 5W resistors from Radio Shack connected in parallel, on a little scrap of PC board between the RF shield and the case and connected to Q16 with an old case fan wire.
FSB 100 MHz, multiplier 3.0. Black screen at boot with any higher multiplier. Use K6clk to jump to 5.0 multiplier. Windows 98SE is rock solid at 500 MHz. The machine has spent most of the last two days chewing through SETI@home data with no crashes (well, at
least none apparently caused by hardware). System temp gets to about 132F and CPU temp to about 110F maximum after hours of number crunching. The resistors get quite hot in that little nook, but not quite hot enough to melt the case plastic.

I also dual boot RedHat, and when I tried using loadlin to boot from DOS with the already raised multiplier it froze at the
point of "Testing HLT instruction". I expect I probably have to try raising the VCore higher to get 500 MHz working under
Linux. But might it have been because that kernel was compiled for the WinChip instead of the K6? From looking at docs on
PowerTweak (http://powertweak.sourceforge.net) it sounds like this can do the same job for Linux that K6clk does with Windows,
but you have to switch to devfs to use it, and I haven't got that far yet.

01-16-2001 23:07:16

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) Tackhead
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UhClem: I've had IOs lock up on HLT in Win9x due to undervoltage. It's consistent and reproducible - below a certain threshold voltage, the CPU cannot recover from a HLT.

leighklotz: Yes, in setup mode, the BIOS is basically running a "busy-wait" (tight loop) waiting for keypresses. Makes for a great quick-and-dirty (and reproducible!) therman management test, because it's software- and OS-independent.

01-17-2001 17:05:37

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) dr_steve
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Badflash,

Just want to make sure I'm not going blind... Your parts list calls for a 0.12 ohm
1W SMT resistor, but you don't use it anywhere. Should I just throw the part
in my "oh well, t'was a good idea at the time" pile?

-Steve

01-23-2001 17:55:01

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) Turbo3
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That was a 0.012 ohm 1 W SMT and it replaces (or is soldered on top of) R302. That is the change I invented to allow the maximum current from the 3.5 volt supply.
01-23-2001 23:57:21

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Thanks Turbo3!
Turbo3 is too humble to also say he doped out the power supply for the Vcore and has a nice little schematic and great pic too. Nice bit of hard work there.

Sorry dr_steve. I did remember to say what to do with it on the V4/V5 mod and it is the same for the V3
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=verytech&Post=131

01-25-2001 09:58:06

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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I got the new wirewound resistor from Jack at Badflash and it's smaller and will fit between the SODIMM socket and the RF shield, but unfortunately I broke the pin off Q16, having put on and taken off another resistor already.

My current plan is to leave the old Q16 on the board since I hear it's hard to take off, and clip the other pin so only the tab is making contact with the board, and then use some heavy wire and an outboard board sticking out the sodimm socket hole.

01-26-2001 16:39:58

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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leighklotz, take off the broken Q16. It isn't as hard as you would think. Snip the lead on pin 1 of Q16, then use a high wattage soldering iron (I use 45 watts) to rapidly heat the tab on Q16. Watch the solder melt and pick it off with a pair of tweezers. You can then easily remove pin 1. Be real careful here as the pad comes up easily. Just melt the solder and pick up the leg and quit. Bend up pin 3 on the new Q16 before you start.

The reason for removing Q16 is that the motherboard is the heat sink. If you don't do that Q16 will get hot and melt off the board.

01-26-2001 16:57:37

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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Badflash,
Thank you for your advice and parts -- you are doing a great service.

My plan was to outboard Q16 and the resistor with a small heatsink, possibly sticking it out the back of the SODIMM door, mounted externally. There is a little concern about noise, but the wire length is only about 2x the length of the resistor leads to do this.
There would thus be no Q16 on the board to melt.

It sounds to me like you're recommending I put Q16 back on the MB where the old one was and of course put a heat sink on top of Q16
as well.

I'll try removing Q16 and if I can I'll put it back on the board as you suggest.

Leigh.

02-03-2001 16:13:35

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Been there, done that. It didn't work for me. I outboarded Q16 on a little mount outboard of the CPU, only a couple inches of wire. No Joy. Turbo3 suggested that even short lengths of wire will make the power supply unstable.

The cooling resistor is a lot easier than moving Q16 and a lot less risk to the board. After you get a 2V core voltage, all you do is lift pin 3 on Q16, just desolder & bend it up and put a .13 ohm 10W power resistor in series from the lifted leg to the solder pad. This is really easy and keeps most of the heat off the board. I've done 4 like this so far, 3 my own, one contract, two more on the way.

02-06-2001 06:18:02

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) JohnQPyro
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I have heard people talking about lover vcore voltage. In this application is it better to have a lower voltage. And if my V5 IO has a vcore of 2.03 is that ok ?? (using the BadFlash Method, AMD K6III+ 450, Cooling Resistor, Copper Strip...ect). If it is better to have it lower, how can I do it..??

Thanks Guys,

JohnQPyro
jqp@pclv.com

02-12-2001 00:57:28

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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There are some trade-off's lowering the core voltage. The V5's, 4's and 3's I've experimented with won't boot below 1.9 v. The lower the voltage the less current the CPU draws and this more than off-sets the larger voltage drop for Q16/cooling resistor.

The voltage can be lowered by lowering the value of R343. I have no specific values to suggest, but you might try 100K in parallel with a V3 or 1M with a V4/V5 or remove it and add a pot of suitable size. Locate it as close to the resistor pad as possible. Be sure the CPU is removed when you do the experiment!

02-22-2001 11:00:45

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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Well, with help from my SMT friend I got the replacement Q16 put on board and the 0.13Ohm resistor from BadFlash put on as well. It boots into Linux at 5x66 (I have some PC66 memory in it at the moment) but fails POST at 5.5x.

With the cover on but the memory door open (resistor stickout into the hole) and playing MP3 files for 3 minutes so far, the resistor is still cool enough to touch. It warmed up a bit waiting in the BIOS (which I'm told is a tight loop). I saw it get up to 41C system temp during some BIOS setting checks.

My friend was busy (something about giving a demo to 200 people in 15 minutes) so we didn't put on the bus switch, and I haven't got the Linux version of PowerTweak installed, so I can't up the bus speed (nor do I have the memory for it yet), but I'll report results later.

All in all, this seems pretty nice.

04-12-2001 18:22:55

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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333 seems to be the booting limit for the IOPENER. I'm going to try an experiment with my K62P's to see if I can't use SOFTFSB on them. I figure if I set the IO up to boot at 50X6 it should boot fine. last time I tried SOFTFSB I had no trouble getting to 66 & 70 Mhz FSB. 66 would give me 400Mhz and 70 would be 420Mhz. That should do fine. I'll keep the group posted.
04-16-2001 09:44:03

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Did your experiment with K62P to see if you can use SOFTFSB on them work for the i-Opener??
I just recently pulled a K6-2P 450 from a dumpster dived compaq notebook and it tested fine on a P-5a asus mobo. Noted no multiplier lock
06-04-2001 21:44:23

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) 02U2
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Nevermind, I found it....
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=verytech&Post=141&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Page=&Session=
06-04-2001 21:57:33

New MessageRE:Safest V3 upgrade to 450 Mhz (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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You don't need soft FSB with a K62P. It will boot at 450Mhz with the right CPU multiplier set via hardware.
06-05-2001 09:18:37

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