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K62P Mobile Processor Hack
How to do a K62P (NOT +) Mobile Processor

New MessageK62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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This is the basic hack for using the K62P mobile processor. The K62P has 128K of on-board cache, but no PowerNow. This hack will also work with a standard K62 2.2V BUT due to higher current draw and more finicky voltage requirements, you may not get to 400Mhz. K6clk.exe is not used for the non+ processors and will cause the system to hang if you try.

This works for the V3, V4 and V5 boards.

For V3 ONLY: add split voltage:
Remove R60 and R61 upper right side of CPU socket
Solder these 0 ohm resistors at R184 and R185 at lower right of CPU socket

Set up 2v core voltage:
Solder 10K 1/4 watt resistor across solder pads for R343 upper right of SODIMM socket . You might try slightly higher values for higher voltage, but I have not worked out the value for 2.2V. 2V works on a K62P. I do not know if it will work with a stock K62.

For V4/V5
Set SW4 to both open to set up 2V or 1 closed and 2 open for 2.2V
All Versions:
Add a .012 ohm SMT resistor on top of R302 to get max current from the power supply.

Set up for 100 Mhz FSB
Remove modem daughter board by removing 4 screws and removing board to gain access to the dip switch area. Be careful of the connector. This may be removed or left connected as long as care is taken not to damage it.
Tin the solder pads for SW2 at the upper right of where the modem board was.
Solder 4 position dip switch in place going 1234 left to right. Solder wick can be used to clean up the connection if solder bridges form. Set 123 to ON and 4 to OFF. Replace modem and connector if needed.

Set up CPU Multiplier:
Locate SW1 solder pads outboard the CPU socket.
Remove R130
Solder 4 position DIP switch in place.
1234 is top to bottom
1, 2, 3 closed 4 open is 450
1, 3 closed, 2, 4 open is 400
2, 3 closed, 1, 4 open is 250
2 closed, 1, 3, 4 open is 300

Add the cooling Resistor for Q16:
Put a .13 10 watt cooling resistor at the OUTPUT of Q16
De-solder pin 3 (the one closest to the sodimm), bend it up and soldered the resistor from it to the solder pad. I used some heat shrink tubing to insulate the leads and it is parallel to the memory socket and up near the RF shield to keep heat away from the board.

I am no longer suggesting the use of the copper heat sink soldered to the top of Q16. This can too easily end up shorting out. Consider limiting the speed to 400Mhz and using “rain” software for cooling.

The CPU requires fan cooling. Spot cooling of Q16 is suggested. Test voltages before putting in the CPU! The solder pad where pin 3 of Q16 was should be at 2.0 or 2.2V depending on what voltage you are using. The voltages can be check without the CPU.

I have all parts except heat shrink tubing at my website.

04-23-2001 19:49:30

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I get asked this often enough, I figured I'd post this:

Don't get the K62, K62+ and K62P confused. They are not the same. Any mobile K6-III will work (k6-III+). The only significant difference between the K6-III and the K62P is the size of the cache and power needs. The K62P has 128K, K6-III has 256K. The + on them would mean they support PowerNow! software cpu multiplier changing. The standard K62 has no cache at all and may not work without some soldering, but the K62P will.

Just to recap:
K62, K6III are standard high power desktop processors and will trip out the IO's overcurrent protection at 200Mhz after 15-20 minutes. Without warning the IO will just turn off.

K62P is a mobile K62 and will run at 200Mhz with 2.0-2.2v set on the IO without other mods. It has 128K cache

K62+ and K6-III+ are both mobile processors and will work at 200Mhz with no other mods in a range of 2.0-2.2 volts. K62+ has 128K cache, all K6-III's have 256K cache. Both + processors support PowerNow! software cpu multiplier changes.

I have not seen a lot of difference between my IO's with a K62P and a K6-III+. The appearant difference between a 200Mhz K62P and a winchip or Rise is about a double, if not a little more. At 400Mhz- look out. The sucker screams!

07-12-2001 12:51:34

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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My head is spinning, BadFlash! Do I understand it right that a K62P and a K62+ are the same (both have 128K cache) except for the PowerNow capability of the +?

In the "K62+ and k6clk.exe" thread you said that "My experience with the K62P is that q16 is cooler at 2.2 than it is at 2.0." How about the CPU itself? I'm trying to wade through all the threads to figure out what the maximum CPU I can put in without a fan, and I think it seems to be a K62P at 200MHz... Or do I need to do more wading?

07-24-2001 18:01:31

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Yes, the only difference between the K62P and the K62+ is PowerNow. The K62P needs 2 dip switches and boots at 400/450 Mhz with properly set FSB/CPU multipliers. No "warping" with the K62P.

Heat issues- As long as you have a fan on the K62 heat is no problem for it until you overclock. The heat problems are with Q16 and the cooling resistor. The higher the voltage setting the more current the CPU will draw, but the lower the voltage that Q16 and the cooling resistor have to drop. In the trade off the lower voltage drop causes Q16 and the cooling resistor to run slightly cooler in my setup. Heat in this case is Current X Voltage Drop. If the voltage drop is reduced by .2V and the current does not increase much the overall heat drops.

07-25-2001 07:37:51

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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OK. Three posts up you said "K62P is a mobile K62 and will run at 200Mhz with 2.0-2.2v set on the IO without other mods."
Your last post said "As long as you have a fan on the K62 heat is no problem for it until you overclock." So you don't really mean "without other mods" since a fan is also required. I'm trying to figure out what is the maximum processor usable with my passive cooling, which is what "without a fan" above was hinting at.

I already know that the non-available Winchip2 would be OK. K62P at 2.0V and 200MHz passive, or other solution?

07-25-2001 13:54:59

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) *SF*
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My Question, for those using Passive HeatSink (stock) in a Version 4 ~ 5,
How are You dealing with the Milled out area for the RISE Chip ?
Adding something else in there to fill the Space or Removing the Metal Cover over the AMD Chip ???
07-25-2001 16:05:32

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) psych_otic
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Badflash

how can I tell which version I have? I receive the processor from you today and now my systerm is going out and making noise.

07-25-2001 16:26:29

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Like I said, I have not tried passive cooling. Those that have have reported no more than 250Mhz being safe. I don't know what you are driving at other than that. The K62P supports temperature monitoring using Motherboard Monitor. Try it and see how the temps look. Maybe we can take this off line and you can be a little more expansive about what you want to do. I'm easy to e-mail.

psych_otic - that has been answered so many times on this BBS, I don't want to clutter this thread up with it. I've e-mailed you about it.

07-26-2001 18:40:18

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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I'm sorry, BadFlash, I thought this was the public forum here everybody would benefit from the information. You are a vendor of i-o upgrade components. I asked a question about one of your products--the one you're discussing in this thread--was it the best I could apply in my situation or would I be better off with something else. I'm interested in putting the maximum processor in my i-o given the constraint of not using a fan. I thought my application was simple and sufficiently described, and asked here because I think that others would also like to investigate better performance while keeping our i-o's quiet. Your mention just above that you've never tried passive cooling was the first I've seen in searching threads about the K62. I'm sorry I even tried to ask. If "Try it and see how the temps look" is an offer to send me a K62P for evaluation, I will indeed contact you offline and let you know where to send it.
07-27-2001 23:53:32

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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Regarding the milled gap in the heatsink of a V4/V5 not providing contact with a K6-III/II+/III+, there are two ways to handle it:

1) Fold a strip of aluminium foil (reynolds wrap) several times, preferably with a thin layer of white heat-sink compound on it, and stuff it into the gap to make contact with the top of the CPU.

2) Exchange the heat-sink with one from a V1/V2/V3, which does not have the gap. Try not to tighten the screws completely when installing the V1/V2/V3 heatsink, or it will slightly deform the top of the K6.

07-28-2001 01:55:24

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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StarFish, I have a V2 heatsink (stock except for 1/4 x 1-3/4 cutout in the IDE header corner) and some really nice Thermagon silpad material (soft and sticky, conforms to the little surface variations and has really good thermal conductivity) that you're welcome to if you'd like. Email me at passive_i[at]yahoo[dot]com if you'd like it.
07-28-2001 16:16:48

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Programmer
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Kludgemeister: The k6II+ chips (SHOULD) be the coolest running CPUs around. The higher the clock rating the cooler it should run at 200Mhz.
07-30-2001 09:11:30

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Kludgemeister- I am not a proponent of passive cooling using any K6 CPU above 200Mhz. Any attempt to do so is strictly on your own. Many folks have reported using stock K62's at 200Mhz with the stock heat sink. The K62P and K62+ are both rated with the same heat output. If you want to do a little light reading try http://www.amd.com/K6/k6docs/pdf/21896.pdf
The only real difference between the K62P and the K62+ is PowerNow!

I'm not sure I agree with you Programmer about higher rating CPU's running cooler at the same clock speed. I've seen no data to back that up. Most of the faster rated CPU's I've seen generate proportionally higher power at the higher speed. You might be right, but I can't prove it one way or the other.

I have trouble being worried about this noise issue with the fans. I can't hear any of my fans running. I have to believe ither you have air noise due to inadequate clearance, or the fan is damaged in some way. Lazagna coolers are rated at 24db. That IS wisper quiet.

08-06-2001 05:57:05

New MessageFan Noise -- Another vote for loud lasangna fans... (modified 0 times) itsvincer
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I tried using rubber spacers to quiet my lasagna, and while it does blend into the background noise when heard from across the room, it is NOT whisper quiet. It's louder than my laptop, and louder than the defective Travelstar I exchanged from my laptop (tests fine electrically, and stores all data, but is loud, runs hot, and won't do dma mode...)

I'm gonna try the blue orb next.

To put me in perspective though, I'm swapping a case fan on the family desktop because the fan occasionally goes into buzz mode, and cleaning it hasn't helped.

It doesn't seem to bother anyone else, although my wife and my son both hear the noise.

08-06-2001 19:32:13

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Kludgemeister
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Well, I'm concerned enough about noise that I'm removing the hard drive and will be runing DOS from the Sandisk. 24dB is OK, but not quite the same as 0dB (or as close to 0dB as rising air currents are...)

By the way, just to keep info together, I'll reference yxw's post on passive cooling in this thread


All kludge, all the time.
08-08-2001 19:13:43

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Kcmjr
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I've been trying to get my IO to boot at a higher speed. Seems that some of the other posts around here state that they won't post if set to boot above 300 Mhz. Mine does boot at 300 (checked with AMD's CPUinfo util). There seem to be other posts (including this one) that state that you can boot to 400. I tired many different SW1 settings and most caused the IO to not post at all. The others returned different results at each boot with 345 Mhz the best I could get (it later booted to 304 with the same setting). I can't use K6clk because I'm running Win2k and it uses a priviledged instruction which chokes. I effectively followed the mods noted in this thread but still can't get to 400 (which would satisfy me) with my K62+450. I've got a K62+450 with lasagna fan, dip switches moved, FSB set at 100, Jack's cooling resistor on Q16 with an extra fan blowing on it, the .012 ohm resistor on r302, etc. Like I said, effectively the mods posted above. Anyone have any ideas about what I might have missed? Is it even worth pursueing 400 Mhz?

KCM

08-20-2001 13:15:32

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Ragnar
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On the + model with dip switch setting 300 mhz is the highest that k6+ will work. K6clk is the only way to go higer. The k6P will boot straight to 400 or 450 with no problems. Cpuinfo will report higher clock speeds while Windows is loading but when finally loaded will drop down to the speed determined by the switch setting. About the only way to get higher speed is to downgrade to 98 or 98se, or get a k6P processor that Jack sales.
08-21-2001 22:13:22

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Just did my first V3B today (AKA V4A). This is a V3 motherboard with split voltage and a Rise266 processor. It has no dip switch to adjust core voltage, just and empty solder pad for R343 as in other V3 IO's. Normally a 10K resistor will give 2.0V, but not on this unit (it gave me about 1.4 volts). 20K gave me 1.84 volts and runs the K62P at 400Mhz without difficulty.

I am also using the new V531C bios image, and it seems to be working just fine. The K62+, K6III+ and K62P all boot to 600Mhz. I didn't try any torture tests, but the unit will boot now without K6clk at any speed you want to run it at, and it fully enables the cache on the CPU. So if you want to use an OS that does not support autoexec files, that is what you want.

02-24-2002 19:44:45

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack / Vcore (modified 0 times) ollo
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Hi all,
I just modified my V4 (No Vcore DIP switch) Iopener and I can confirm the R343 issue. With 10k it gives me 1.33 Volts. My Rise mP6 is an 2.8 Volt model. I ran a few tests and found that 29k gives 2.0 Volts. Just use 11k + 18k (E24 1% tolerance metal oxide resistors) and serialize them.
Greets from Germany,
ollo
02-27-2002 05:31:32

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) Infinity
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Thanks to the above mod my V5 runs perfectly at 400mhz with a k62+ 450 but running anything higher for a few hours will cause the screen to blank out. this is probably due to over heating since i only have one fan on the cpu and no fan cooling the huge Q16 resistor or the hard drive. A stable 550-600mhz is definitely possible with additional cooling.
03-05-2002 19:25:54

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) secrets
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Ive got a sony vio notebook from a friend awhile back
becuase is was toasted
check the processor out (amd k62+ 550 ) worked fine on my desktop
and i believe the tft 12" display is good too , so was the hdd and the cd rom drive
Bad system board
can I use any of these components on my iopener
or should (does it work without flipping switches) throw in a k62 200mhz processor in it instead
any ideas let me know
you can reach me at lpoehler@austin.rr.com
I can get get plenty more i/os if needed
if you only knew
05-02-2002 04:42:49

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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Where can I get one of these K62P or K63mobile CPUs?

nothing on pricewatch.


http://www.geocities.com/mr_bubba_zanetti/
06-22-2003 09:43:59

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=CP2-K62-450P%20C&kb=y&sourceid=1352
Has the K62+
06-22-2003 09:48:22

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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http://www.upgradeability.com/K6plus/index.htm has these and a bunch more...

AMD K6-2+/450 APZ - Rare 1.7 volt version!HOT!

AMD K6-III+/400 ATZ - Rare 1.6 volt version!HOT!

I have not seen a K62P listed anywhere.

So which is the preferred one...the K63 is twice the price of the k62...but if suppose someone wanted the best chance of getting max speed from their machine...

Especially since I can't POST mine past 233 with a k62.


http://www.geocities.com/mr_bubba_zanetti/
06-28-2003 19:21:33

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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You want a 2.0 volt version unless you want to do extra work to set up the lower voltage. The Tiger K62+ is a 2.0 volt unit. The K6III+ is the best, as it has 256K of cache vs. the 128K on the K62+, other than that they are pretty much the same.
07-01-2003 16:20:09

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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The K62P is a moble version of the K62, low power and 2.0V vs. 2.2V. It has no extra casche, just like the stock "chomper". The K62+ solder by Tiger (see link above) is $10 less than the one sold by upgradeability.com

The K6III+ 2.0 volt upgradeability.com is the best performance, but you need to decide if you want to pay for it.

07-01-2003 16:28:42

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) YouBecha
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Thanks...I thought for some reason that I already had the capability to run the lower voltage via SW4...It had been so long since I fooled with it. I am already running at 2V, but if I run a + then I will have a lower current demand?

Sound good, thanks as usual.


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07-02-2003 17:06:13

New MessageRE:K62P Mobile Processor Hack (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Right. The mobile processors draw a lot less power. The stock K6 overloads the power supply at around 250Mhz, the mobile processors can go safely to 400 with the cooling resistor mod, or to 600 with a add-on switching power supply and enough cooling.
07-16-2003 18:55:18

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