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Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse
disabling the built-in mouse on the i-opener keyboard

New MessageUsing original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) void_handle
This may be almost too simple to mention, but...

I use a PS/2 splitter with a standard 101 keyboard and normal 2-button mouse, and wanted to use the original i-opener keyboard due to it's smaller size, but I hate the built-in mouse. With the original keyboard plugged into the splitter, neither built-in or external mouse would work.

I opened the keyboard, and used a very small flatblade screwdriver to slide the two rearmost connector pins out of the connector that plugs into the small circuit board. The wires on these two pins are red and gray, and are the mouse clock and data pins. I did not damage anything, and simply slid the pin sockets out of the connector and bent them away. Easily reversable. After testing and reassembly, I now have the original keyboard working just fine with the PS/2 mouse.

I haven't decided yet if I need to relabel any keys, but I did make sure first that I could use CTRL-[ in vi as the escape key. No problem. I won't be too surprised if the original keyboard ends up driving me nuts though. At which point I might give in and buy a small keyboard from the numerous souces cited here.

04-08-2000 20:04:09

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) eggboid
THANK YOU.

I just bought an io for my Mom and she wanted an external mouse with the original keyboard. This is a great alternative to buying the NPLI mouse kit. Thanks!!

04-08-2000 21:45:50

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) hevnsnt
How does netpliance do it when you order an external mouse from them?
04-09-2000 19:15:33

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Paramaddic
They send you a Logitech mouse and Y splitter cable.
04-11-2000 17:35:40

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Just In
I think that was hevnsnt's question. What is different with a regular ps/2 splitter and the ps/2 splitter that npli ships? Why does the splitter not work for void_handle without him going into the keyboard and disconnecting a few pins?

void_handle, I don't have mine yet, but I think I've read that you have to use the splitter BACKWARDS. I'm assuming this means the splitter is labeled mouse/keyboard on the female (split) end. Plug the keyboard into mouse and the mouse into keyboard.

Again, I don't have my splitter yet so I don't know... If this is the case I'm sure npli's splitter is labeled correctly (or incorrectly if you were to use it on a PC).

04-12-2000 13:58:50

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Shadow
I'm sure the NPL splitter simply doesn't have the pins for the mouse connected on the KB side of the
splitter, so there isn't contention on the lines... pretty simple.. Check the resistence with a voltmeter..
there won't be connections for those pins on the KB side..
04-13-2000 06:32:42

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Gordon
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That's strange. I bought an Acer wireless IR keyboard at CompUSA and hooked it to the IO. The IR base has separate wires for the KB and Mouse PS/2 outputs. I got a PS/2 Y cable to plug them both into the IO KB input.

But I found out by trial & error that I had to plug the KB into the leg labled "mouse", and the mouse into the KB side.

04-13-2000 08:06:36

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) HelpingHand
In case you haven't read elsewhere, that is the general setup (er... screwup??). Mouse and Keyboard are backwards on the IO (like everything else -- IDE anyone?)

The reason it may not work is that if you are plugging in the mouse to the mouse side of the splitter and the IO KB/Mouse into the Kb side, you will have them reversed... all that should work is the IO mouse -- not the KB or the ps/2 mouse. Swap them and it should work OK!

hope that helps!

04-14-2000 11:37:41

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Paramaddic
I bought a Y-splitter designed for an IBM laptop. Works great. I can hook up the keyboard of mouse to either connection and it works. Have no idea why the one he go doesn't work.
04-16-2000 10:47:18

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Info.
Paramaddic, may I ask where you got your ibm splitter how much was it. Thanks
04-16-2000 14:58:01

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) void_handle
I have used two different PS2 splitters. I have ALWAYS had to use them backwards (KB into mouse, mouse into KB) and when I use a regular PS2 keyboard and mouse, this works fine for me. When I use the IO keyboard, neither the mouse on the keyboard, nor the external PS2 mouse work at all. I haven't tried any software solutions, but vanilla win98 and redhat 6.2 both behave the same. Perhaps it's my particular mouse or hardware that does this, I didn't check, I simply disconnected the IO keyboard mouse and all worked fine as I described.

I have two IO units, and both behave the same. Obviously, your mileage can (and apparently does) vary. I'm glad there are others that don't need the mod.

04-18-2000 07:20:35

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Zonyl
The IO keyboard has a mouse built in.. Without removing the IO keyboard mouse wires and plugging in a PS/2 mouse via splitter, you would have two mouse devices sitting on the same clock and data lines, which was not designed for "BUS" type of operation, they conflict, and nothing works. (should be the same across all units)

If you use a regular keyboard with a ps/2 mouse you would not need to modify the IO keyboard (obviously) except switch the mouse and keyboard connectors into the splitter.

04-26-2000 12:54:06

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) edutron
That's exactly what I had to do! Use a standard keyboard with a standard mouse (both ps2) and connect mouse to keyboard, keyboard to mouse on the "Y" splitter.
Roger Dodger! We have take off!!
04-28-2000 19:16:25

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Enigma
So am I to understand that there are two ways to use the original keyboard with an external ps/2 mouse - #1. Get the splitter that netpliance ships. #2 - Modify the keyboard thus disabling the internal mouse pins and use a generic storebought splitter with mouse into kbd plug and mouse into kbd plug.

#2 sounds easily do-able, but #1 seems easier, as then if desired the keyboard could be used without the splitter and the internal mouse would still work. So does anyone know where to get the ps/2 splitter like netpliance ships that has the right pins disabled on the keyboard side of the connection? Does anyone know if the splitter that comes with the i-mod kid does this? Thanks.

<posted using an iopener with the orignal keyboard and annoying mouse>

05-11-2000 03:19:01

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Enigma
Well I still haven't got answered to the previous post, but I found a third option that is working well for me. I got lotsa adapters lieing around, so I used a keyboard adapter to go from the small ps/2 keyboard to the big 5-pin adapter, then a reverse-gender to put the big 5-pin back to small ps/2... and then when I plug the original keyboard into the mouse connector on a generic splitter, and a mouse into the keyboard connector, I am able to use the original keyboard with a ps/2 mouse (without modifying the keyboard or getting the netpliance splitter). I'm stil real curious if the i-mod kid splitter is just a generic splitter or a netpliance-style one...
05-12-2000 22:48:29

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) homerjsimpson
Along these lines... Will someone with a PS/2 splitter that actually works on an IO please spend 5 minutes and post a pin out diagram here or elsewhere?

Sorry if I sound frustrated but I've tried 4 different configurations I've seen here and elsewhere but no luck.

I've got the the male PS/2 cable, I've got the two female PS/2 cables, I've got the skill, I just need a correct wiring diagram.

Much thanks in advance!

05-12-2000 23:40:13

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) NoSleep
There's a later post by HomerJSimpson which shows the pinouts. There appears to be two types of PS2 splitter cables. The one not working is a complete 1-1 connection. The ones that work are 1-1 for the keyboard and the mouse swaps pins 5,6 and 1,2. I went ahead and changed it an it works. If you're using the IO KB, the mouse still needs to be disconnected.
05-16-2000 09:17:56

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Enigma
It seems to me if you were making this splitter, you would not want to send the mouse pins thru on the side for the keyboard. If the person is using the original keyboard with the splitter, they obviously want another mouse (or they wouldnt need the damn spliter, they could plug straight in), and if they're using another keyboard without a mouse, they obviuosly want another mouse.... anyways, just figured I'd point this out to anyone making a splitter, its easier to not include the mouse pins on the keyboard side thus you dont have to modify your original keyboard if you want to use it sometimes with an external mouse, sometimes not.
05-16-2000 23:34:31

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) uiliu@hotmail.com
I haven't really searched yet, but has someone figured out how to assign new macros to the hot keys on the ORIGINAL IOPENER KEYBOARD in win 98?

I have yet to see an answer to the question. Sorry in advance if i overstepped protocol.
uiliu@hotmail.com

05-25-2000 20:38:39

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Bfmersion
Try Shortcuts at http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000O4N
It has a nice interface and controls characters and mouse movements.
05-26-2000 03:04:00

New MessageRE:Using original keyboard with PS/2 mouse (modified 0 times) Splitter
If you really want to know who has the best splitter, I'd have to go with either John Smoltz or Martinez. (grin)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

06-04-2000 22:27:31

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