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New Messageqnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Tackhead
Summary: ASCII mode file transfers work!

OK folks, just did a BIOS flash without a modem connection.
No sz, no rz, no qcp, just raw-ass ASCII from /dev/modem to
the file.

Ingredients: Two cooperative modems, one virgin IO, one PC,
and a DOS communications program. (Heck, my "PC" was a second
IO running DOS from the SanDisk The IO's modems are capable
of talking to each other by connecting a piece of phone cord
between them. No "battery" is required to fake a "talk voltage"
on the line in this configuration.

Disclaimer: As always, YMMV. This procedure involves the transfer
of material that, if corrupt, can turn your IO into a doorstop. It
transfers that material using a communications protocol with no
meaningful error correction. If that doesn't scare you, it should.
If you're feeling lucky, read on.

1) PC: I'm using Telix 3.10, a DOS-based comm program.
Alt-O -> Configure Options
-> "A"scii transfers

My ASCII transfer parameters were as follows. Critical
parameters are denoted with an asterisk. Parameters "F"
and "G" are minimum values. (Actually, lower values may
work too, but the higher the delay, the less chance of the
modems getting confused.)

A * Strip high bit - off
B - Remote abort char - 0
C - Local echo - off
D * Expand blank lines - off
E * Pace character - 0
F * Line pacing - 1 (1/10 sec)
G * Character pacing - 100 (msec)
H * CR translation - none
I * LF translation - none

You should be able to type AT commands to the PC and modem. If not,
use Alt-P to tweak your comm port parameters accordingly. I had them
set for 9600-8N1; the modems connected at 33600 anyways.

2) PC: Have the following files ready:

qnxflash.tgz - contains qnxflash exectuable and readme file.

oldbios.tgz - make it yourself by by using "tar" to create a .tar
file of both your old bios and some random padding
junk like a z_readme.txt at the end. Then use gzip
to compress it.

You want the "padding junk" because you *know* you can get the
first part of the file through intact. You're not 100% sure you
can get the last bit intact. (Actually, you're 99.99% sure, but
why take chances?)


DOS executables for tar and gzip are available at www.simtel.net
and many other places. UNIX folks have these built-in.

3) IO: Boot and Home-4 your way to a root shell.

Crank up qtalk: /dbin/qtalk -m /dev/dmoem
Disable dialtone detect: AT#CWT6

4) PC: You should be talking to the modem from step 1.

Disable dialtone detect: AT#CWT6
Disable dialtone detect: ATX1
Dial dummy number: ATDT 1

5) IO: Answer the phone.

ATA

Wait a bit. The modems should connect. If not, use the battery
trick. (Umm, I'm assuming you've connected the two modem ports
with a phone cable!)

6) PC and IO: Mash some keys.

What you type on the PC should appear on the IO, and vice versa.

7) IO: Snarf data straight from serial port.

This is the *new* step:

Qtalk command mode: CTRL-A
X-it qtalk without hanging up: x

You're now at a shell prompt. The modem is still connected,
whether the modem light is on or not. Telix will show you a
"NO CARRIER" if the modem ever hangs up.

cat /dev/modem > /app/ztest/rawfile.tgz

At this point, everything the PC sends - unaltered - goes to the
file.

8) PC: ASCII upload from Telix.

Ascii-Upload: Page-Up, "A"scii, enter C:\path\to\OLDBIOS.TGZ

The PC will start shovelling data to the IO. You'll see the
"Lines:" indicator on the lower-left-hand side of the screen
change as each line is sent.

Wait until it's done.

9) IO: Stop tranfer.

Stop the IO's download: Ctrl-C.
Examine the file: ls -l /app/ztest/rawfile.tgz

The file should be at least as long as (probably one byte longer
than) the original on your machine.

10) IO: Decompress and extract.

If there's an extra character in the .tgz file, gzip -d rawfile.tgz
may not work. A pipe will work. By using gzip, you ensure that
any severe corruption in the file will result in failure to create
the .tar file.

cat rawfile.tgz | gzip -d > rawfile.tar
tar -xvf rawfile.tar

You should now have the contents of the .tar file in your
/app/ztest. They should be _exactly_ the same length as the
original .tar file on your DOS box.

If you have to chmod 755 qnxflash first to make it executable,
do so now.

11) Victory!

You should have a version of qnxflash that will run. You should
also have your old BIOS file that you're gonna flash.

Test qnxflash by reading your March 23 BIOS. You *must* test it
first because hey, you still can't trust this ASCII transfer crap
as far as you can throw it

If you can read out your March 23 BIOS, you can then use qnxflash
to flash the new BIOS image. After flashing, you should use the
verify option to ensure that the new BIOS image in flash matches
the new BIOS image you extracted from the .tgz file.

Astute readers will note that I had two .tgz files; one for
qnxflash and one for the BIOS image. I sent the small one
for qnxflash first to see if it would work and repeated the
entire process for the large BIOS image file. You can just
as easily do it all in one by creating a single .tar file with
qnxflash, your old-school BIOS, and a trailing junk readme file.

12) Figure out what a case of good beer costs. Send that much money
and/or a few bucks more to the FSF on behalf of the qnxflash crew.

For additional safety, you can use the ASCII transfer (upload a gzipped
tar file containing the exectutable file) technique to send binaries of
"sz" and "rz" to your IO, and do the rest of the file transfers with
Zmodem.

I did it the unsafe way, doing all file transfers in raw ASCII. I had
no errors when doing this between a virgin March 23 vintage IO and an
IO modded to run DOS off the SanDisk.

I had errors when using the "log" option in qtalk, but the errors
were all coming from qtalk; I had *no* errors when I switched to the
"exit-qtalk-without-hangup" and "cat /dev/modem > file" procedure.

I would not be surprised to find that that you could probably do this
without qtalk. Qtalk's only purpose is to send the AT commands to the
modem. If "echo ata > /dev/modem" works, you don't need qtalk at all.
Qtalk is more a convenience than a necessity.

04-22-2000 13:33:46

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
Thanks! I'll try this later tonight.

"echo ata > /dev/modem"

This would cause the modem response data to be at the beginning of your file, right?

04-22-2000 16:04:23

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
YES!

My BIOS has been flashed.

Here's how I would recommend doing it.

Get this file: ftp://ftp.qnx.com/usr/free/qnx4/os/utils/communication/protocols/rzsz347.tgz

Un-zip/tar it. All you need to transfer to the i-opener is "rz". (Maybe "sz" if you want to transfer anything back.)

Use the above mentioned method of transferring rz to the i-opener in a directory that will remain after reboot, such as /app (not necessary, but nice to not have to re-transfer this file raw if you have to reboot.)

I was able to use Windows HyperTerminal to send the file, but it gives no file progress for sending ascii files, so just walk away for a while to be sure the transfer finishes. Compare file sizes after pressing CTRL-C.

Copy rz to /dbin so qtalk can find it.

Restart your connection in qtalk. Now, all you have to do in HyperTerminal (or whatever you're using) is send a file by zmodem. Qtalk recognizes this and does the transfer to the i-opener automatically. Remember to copy these files to a "real" directory (like /app) so you won't lose them if you reboot.

Thanks, Tackhead! Now I can start messing around with the partitions a little more until I get a HD without worrying that I'll make my io into a doorstop.

04-22-2000 18:48:19

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Nick Name
"All you need to transfer to the i-opener is "rz". " - The whole point of this thread is trying to avoid using an ISP to get any files!

How do we transfer "rz" to the i-opener. Well first you need to connect the i-opener to the PC with a phone cable and then you....er...?

04-22-2000 19:32:11

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) dermot
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rz sz available for download...
http://www.qnx.com/cgi-bin/print_des.cgi?/usr/free/qnx4/os/utils/communication/protocols/+rzsz305.tgz
-D
04-22-2000 21:39:32

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) rich
This looks like THE way to flash the bios.... BUT for the qnx-impaired, could someone elaborate (tell me) how to "copy rz to /dbin so qtalk can find it" and tell me where in the above process I would do that? I have the necessary files ready to go. Many thanks in advance....
04-22-2000 23:28:14

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
I meant download rzsz347.tgz to the HOST computer you will be connecting the i-opener to with qtalk. Un-zip/tar it. You only need rz.

Follow the steps in Tackhead's original post for connecting, exiting qtalk without disconnecting, and "cat"ing sz to /app. You can use HyperTerminal on a Windows PC, but be sure to give plenty of time for the transfer as HyperTerminal won't tell you file progress for "Send Text File". After you've CTRL-C'd and verified that the i-opener copy of sz is the same size as the original, cp it to /dbin and start qtalk again. Change the protocol to zmodem (CTRL-A, t, type "zmodem") and you should be able to zmodem files to the i-opener.

04-23-2000 04:55:54

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Tackhead
Datoyminatah: Thanx for testing this on Hyperterm - I went with Telix because I knew I could make sure it didn't do anything fancy like CRLF stripping/translation. Nice to see confirmation that the hack works with the built-in Windows proggie.
04-23-2000 06:17:12

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Fant
How do you stop it from trying to dial out while in the middle of a rz session? After a few bytes are transferred, my iopener modem light goes on and the connection with my pc drops...how did you guys get around this?
04-23-2000 16:04:30

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
kill -9 the update (there are two, one with phoenix, which respawns the other.)

Same with netmond. I also killed npmgr and watchd, but I don't know what all of these do.

Let the i-opener sit for a while, because it seems to continue occasional dialing about three or four times before it gives up. Not sure how long. After it quits trying, leave it up as long as you can without rebooting to get the files transferred. Otherwise it will start dialing out again after you reboot.

04-23-2000 16:51:26

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) pipercub
Tackhead thanks for the info. Just flashed my bios using hyperterm and rz. Worked like a charm did go through a couple of false starts so here's a detailed blow by blow of what I did.

1. Download the rzsz347.tgz from the qnx site

2. For folks who do not have gzip and tar on WinBlows get them from http://www.polhode.com/simtel.html and install.

3. run gzip -d to uncompress the rzsz file and then tar -xvf to untar the rz files etc

4. now run tar -cvf rz.tar rz rz.doc rz.c
this will tar rz, rz.doc and rz.c - the rz.doc and rz.c are just padding to help the untar on IO

5. Run hyperterm and cancel out of any predefined terminals

6. run qtalk as per tackheads note

7. on hyperterm type in atdt 1 and hit enter

8. go over to the io and type ata to answer.

Rest is exactly per tackheads note.

One thing i discovered - In the IO shell ctrl-alt-. (period) toggles screen to 50 line mode which helps a lot.
ctrl-alt-, (comma) toggles back to 25 line mode.

04-23-2000 17:32:11

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) oldm
Connect at 2400 baud so you don't overrun buffer.
04-23-2000 21:17:44

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
Okay, granted I'm running Windows 2000, but the success you guys are dictating about using Hyper Terminal and Qtalk to do an ascii transfer I'm not exactly sharing in here. Here's what I'm doing:

On the IO, qtalk -m /dev/modem (this is about 2 hours after I power up so that it doesn't try to update whilst I work)

atz
OK
atm1l2
OK
at#cw0
OK
at#cwt6
OK
atx1
OK
atdt1 (note, I had to do it this way because I kept getting no carriers the other way around)

In win2k:

HyperTerm

atz
OK
atx1
OK
ata

Connected, 33,600

So far so good, ctrl-a, x on the IO to get back out without disconnecting.

cat /dev/modem> /app/ztest/rawfile.tar

Back to the windows machine, we click Transfer, Send Text File..., choose the filename rz.tar, which has a filesize of 49,664. So we're logging the tar file onto the IO. Go get dinner. Come back. Ctrl-c on the IO, and ls -l /app/ztest/rawfile.tar gives me the file size 49693. Granted, I didn't go about this PRECISELY the way described, either connecting or in making the tar file. I only padded it using the README for the newest linux distro for the IO, but that shouldn't make that large of a dif. If I try to tar -xvf rawfile.tar I get "This doesn't look like a tar archive". Do tell what you guys are doing different from myself. :)

Numbski

04-24-2000 00:06:41

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
Check and see if hyperterminal has any options for text transfers, such as translating end of line characters. I didn't have to do anything on Win98, but what you're using may be different.

Also, I don't know if it makes any difference, but before running qtalk for the raw transfer I typed "stty +ihflow +ohflow -isflow -osflow -nl < /dev/modem1" which turns on hardware flow control, turns off software flow control, and disables new line translation. After I got rz over I didn't bother with that anymore. Maybe it makes no difference, because I haven't heard anyone else mention it.

04-24-2000 05:38:09

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
There are no such options within hyperterminal. I've tried sending plain rz across, rz tar'ed with a readme file tagged on, and that tar file gzipped. They all get corrupted in the transfer, and to be honest, I don't see any way it's possible to send a binary across in ascii format and have it work. The math just doesn't add up....literally.

Numbski

04-25-2000 09:18:59

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) MoTLD
Actually, it's not sending it in ASCII format, it's simply doing a raw file transfer with no error detection, acknowledgement, etc. Most terminal programs will call this an "ASCII transfer" because it's mainly used to send plain text files, and many term progs will do a little bit of "helpful" formatting, like changing LF to CR/LF, stripping out any high-ASCII characters, etc. Unfortunately, binary files will often have some LF characters scattered about, and will always have high-ASCII chars, so this sort of text formatting causes file corruption. Usually these options can be disabled, leaving an "ASCII transfer" as just a raw character stream, which will (well, should ;) work using Tackhead's method, assuming very good conditions: no noise on the line to corrupt the transfers (not much of a problem with error-correcting modems, mainly with null-modems), no extra characters sent before or after the transfer, etc.

If Hyperterminal won't work and doesn't have any options to turn off LF to CR/LF translation and other text formatting (I have no idea what options it has or what versions ship with different versions of Windoze, 'cause I don't use that junk, at least not on my own time ;), you could try another term prog or possibly just exit Hyperterm without disconnecting and then "copy <filename> COM1" (or whatever port your modem's on) at a DOS prompt after you've entered the cat command on the IOpener.

Good luck!

-Mo

04-25-2000 10:43:39

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) MoTLD
Also, someone mentioned connecting at 2400, and Tackhead used 9600, to keep from overrunning the buffers; this is unneccessary and possibly increases your chances of file corruption. Of course, YMMV, so if your transfers don't work you could always try reducing the speed.

<technical stuff you probably don't care about>
The IOpener's modem should have a 16550A or equivalent UART, which shouldn't overflow as long as you have hardware flow control enabled (which generally is on most systems by default). The sending PC's UART is going to have to do some buffering no matter what, since the program sending the file is going to be sending it faster than it can be transferred over the modems (this depends on things like Telix's character and line pacing delays, which can also help if you have problems), but if it's a reasonably recent PC (say, less than 8-10 years old ;) it should also have 16550A's. So, though it should be a moot point, the slower the connection is, the more work the sender's buffers are going to have to do.
</technical stuff>

The only really important thing is that both systems are set to use hardware flow control (AKA RTS/CTS) and preferably that they're both communicating with their respective modems at the same speed to minimize the amount of flow control neccessary anyway and reduce the chance that overruns might still occur. 57600 would be an acceptable speed, higher than that could work faster since the modems will be doing compression, but could also bring out other inadequacies in less-than-perfect hardware or software, especially Windoze.

-Mo
(I used to be a SYSOP, so I know this stuff ;)

04-25-2000 11:21:10

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Tackhead
MoTLD: Thanx for clearing it up. I was as surprised as anyone when it worked :)
04-25-2000 20:14:55

New MessageWhat's the point? (modified 0 times) Sean
What's the point? You can hook up 2 computers, and use ppp. In windows, alter the pre-dial script to turn off dialtone detection, in linux, just run minicom. In win2k, use dialup hosting.

-sean

04-25-2000 21:18:27

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
/http://www.geocities.com/nm2day/io/terminal.zip

Power Terminal Pro for Windows. This thing has TONS of options on it, but I can't get a decent transfer. Now gzip is telling me "unexpected end of file" using it. Perhaps with enough of us tinkering with it we can get it to fly? It's shareware, so we're good.

Numbski

04-25-2000 21:35:06

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
I'd like to hear more about the setting up ppp on a windows box, as I'm not fully adept at such a thing (meaning messing with the pre-dial script).

BTW, I mean Power Terminal Pro has the option to send binary data across without the use of zmodem, and you can choose 7-bit, 8 bit ascii, or 8 bit ansii...the difference between two according to Power Terminal is that 8 bit ascii is DOS, and 8 bit ansii is windows. I doubt that's the case, but I've tried all three to no avail, but with as many options as are there, surely someone can get this right.

Numbski

04-25-2000 21:41:02

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
http://tucows.revealed.net/files5/Ptprose.exe

Sorry about the bad link. Power Terminal Pro is at this one.

You might be asking why I'm stuck on using a windows prog. Simple. Most of us got jipped when we bought our first windows pc and got stuck with a winmodem, or have never used linux, and have always had winmodems, thus we must work from windows. I'm certain we can get the job done with this program, as it has much better control than hyperterminal. ;)

Numbski

04-26-2000 09:05:54

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Tackhead
Numbski: Have you tried Telix with the settings I mentioned in my initial post? (Telix runs just fine in plain DOS or in a DOS window under Win9x - though I'm not sure how it'll do with a WinModem in plain DOS mode. I've always had external modems.)

BTW, that "unexpected end of file" isn't necessarily a problem *if* the required data is there. Your best bet is to use "ls -l filename" and "DIR filename" to see the length in bytes of the .tgz before and after.

A "pipe" is a way of passing stuff from one program to another. If "gzip -d foo.gz" fails because the .gz file is a byte too short (or a byte too *long*), you can use
a pipe - cat file.compressed.gz | gzip -d > file.uncompressed - to send the contents of the .gz file to gzip, and to tell gzip to attempt to decompress whatever it gets and shovel its output into file.uncompressed.

That way, even if gzip gets confused, you can still ls -l file.uncompressed and see what's there. (And of course, tar -xvf file.uncompressed to extract whatever was inside it.)

The bit about "add a junk file like zzzz.txt to the .tar file" was in case the last few bytes (for whatever reason) got lost in transmission.

FWIW, when I did it, my file on the QNX side was _one_ byte longer than the file on the PC side. I didn't check whether the extra byte was at the start or end of the file, 'cuz it worked. When I was done, my .tar file was the same length on both sides of the connection.

04-26-2000 09:44:00

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
>What's the point? You can hook up 2 computers, and use ppp.

Maybe you could, but I had problems getting this working. I used qtalk with rz to transfer over the flasher, bios image, and LEM distro. Worked great.

04-26-2000 10:30:47

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
"piping" the file to gzip is where I get the error "unexpected end of file" and nothing decompresses....

Numbski

04-26-2000 15:27:35

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
Holy cow, it works. ;)

Okay, I'll start a new thread here in a few, but Power Term Pro is the way to go in windows baby, yeah! LOL

Numbski

04-26-2000 15:37:25

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Tackhead
Numbski: The beauty of command line apps over GUIs is that when they fail, they still provide useful stuff. Gzip will scream bloody murder about an extra byte or two at the end of the file - but if you're piping the .tgz into gzip, and redirecting its output into a file, the operating system will still create that file with whatever data gzip was able to extract. If that file's a tar file, you can ask tar to see what it can dig out of the file.

The Windows way is "one big GUI app that does everything". Easy to learn, but if anything goes wrong, you're hosed. The UNIX way is "lots of really tiny apps that do one specific thing REALLY well". Hard to learn, but you can get a lot of power out of connecting together the really tiny apps.

The thing I like most about UNIX is that it will let you shoot yourself in the foot - because there are times when you may _need_ to shoot yourself in the foot :)

It's the difference between "eek, an error! better not let the user get his hands on the file I was decompressing because there might be something wrong with it and the user definitely wouldn't want that!" (an OK assumption 90% of the time, but devastatingly wrong 10% of the time) and "uh, OK, dude, here's the .tar file you wanted me to decompress, but don't say I didn't warn you first..." (of little consequence 90% of the time, and a lifesaver in the other 10%)

04-26-2000 16:37:20

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Numbski
Sorry for not giving credit where due explicitly on that new post. Thanks to everyone! :)

Tackhead, Datowhateveryernickis, :)...the reason I started up another thread is because I mean to target at people with Winmodems....which generally these people are screwed to no end trying to transfer files using Hyperterminal, so I thought I'd give a helping hand to that end. This should simplify the flash process to the point that hacking these puppies out of the box should take no more than a few mins. Good stuff. ;) Not to mention a lack of need for worries when it comes to Netpliance messing with this stuff.

Anyhoo. That should end this thread...feel free to e-mail me directly should anyone have problems with winmodems and direct connect to qnx. ;)

nm2day@hotmail.com

Numbski

04-26-2000 21:00:39

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) PiGod
For the people wanting to do it with PPP and Windows, do a search on the BBS for "David D." and "pppd". I describe most of the steps for how to do this sort of thing. It's the only way to go. :)
04-29-2000 17:12:49

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) Datoyminaytah
>Datowhateveryernickis

Imagine Bugs Bunny saying "The Terminator" the way he says "Albuquerque". (Albakoykey. Datoyminaytah. Get it?)

It's an old Quake nick.

04-30-2000 07:41:24

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) CheapEngineer
I tried this with Hyperterm, but wasn't able to get rz transferred with the same file size as the original. I tried PowerTerm, and *still* couldn't get rz to xfer. When I tried to send the gzip'd burner prgm/bios image over, my files sizes were about 30% too small - until I bumped the windows machine down to 2400 baud.
Came through fine the first time, and was quite happy. Not a hardware problem, 16550 com port/USR V.90 external on the PC side, same Winchip on the desktop machine.
05-03-2000 10:31:29

New MessageRE:qnxflash file transfer via raw ASCII, no FTP, no phone! (modified 0 times) uwiz
OMIGOD THIS RULES!

It worked flawlessly, modulo my having to dig back into my distant past for previous experiences with unix :)

Now, just for fun, I'm blowing the whole rz/sz package onto the iopener, so that i can go to a friend's place and sz him full.tar.gz! woohoo!

Tackhead, and all who contributed to this thread, you rule all possible universes. thanks so much! next up, installing onto my laptop HD, then cracking the case!

05-04-2000 05:19:58

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