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2.2 core voltage is possible.
2.2 core voltage is possible.

New Message2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim Hearne
I've found out why you can't get below 2.5 Volt cpu core just by changing R202/R203.

The junction of R202/R203 are connected to one input of a op Amp U16, the other input has a 2.5 V reference on it.
Thats why you can't get below 2.5, you can't go below the reference voltage.
However, the reference is supplied via R342(100k) and there a missing resistor R343 on the op amp side of R342.
So fitting a resistor in position R343 with pull down the reference as supplied to the opamp.
Fitting a 47K resistor in R343 drops the reference to 2 volts.
I fitted a 5k pot across R203 which dropped the core voltage to about 2.8 when set to 5K, winding the pot down to around 1.8K gives 2.2 Volts core.
In an attempt to reduce power disipation in the K6-2 i reduced the core to a fraction above 2 volts.
When you get close to the reference voltage the regulator circuit goes unstable and oscilates, not nice.
The K6-2 still worked at 2.05 volts, interestingly a Intel 233mmx worked at 2.2 Volt core as well.

Running at 2.2 core the core voltage regulator Q16 gets rather warm, since its running from the 5v rail it's now dropping 2.8 Volts instead of 1.7 when it was at 3.3 Core. I'm going to solder up a little copper heatsink to fit to it.

This is still running at 233 Mhz, I'm trying to find some surface mount dip switchs before i play with the cpu speeds.

I've had some occurances of the 5v power supply going unstable but it doesn't seem consistant, i was running without the Hdd but fitting it didn't make the problem worse as i expected so i don't think it's too much load on the 5 Volt rail. Anybody else found this ?


JIM

05-07-2000 18:03:50

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Jim

I have looked all over for these two resistor locations on the motherboard and can't find them.
Could you give me a refference or something near them so I can locate them.
I found 340 and 341, but I have yet to find any numbers higher than this.
342 and 343 must be hidden very well.
Thanks in advance

Tinman

05-08-2000 10:16:23

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim Hearne
I'm at work ATM but from memory they are 1 to 1.5" further towards the closest side of the pcb than R202/203.

JIM

05-08-2000 10:53:38

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Well Jim

I guess this board is labled differently, and worst of all, I can't find a 100k resistor anywhere in that location.
I was unaware they had different motherboard versions with different silk screening.
A picture is worth a thousand words [hint hint :) ]

Thanks Jim
Tinman

05-08-2000 12:20:08

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim+Hearne
Sorry , R342 is 10K, not 100K, typo.
Picture is here http://www.pcrs.co.uk/jimhearne/io/r342-343.jpg
It's the flux that makes my soldering look horrible in the picture, and R343 looks funny because it's the next size up surface mount resistor on it's side so it fitted.
It will be interesting if there are different versions of the board around, a pain but interesting.

JIM

05-08-2000 14:15:52

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Jim
Sure enough, my board is different, those 2 locations don't exist, and I need them to very much so...arrrggggg

Oh well, can't win them all I guess. I will open my other IO, but I am sue it's the same, it's even newer than this board.
BTW: is yours one of those theat came without goop on it ?

Tinman

05-08-2000 14:24:47

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Jim
I checked my other IO, it has those resistor locations :)
I am a happy camper now, this should help my K6-3 400.
Soldering Station is now on, and my 47k resistor will be in place shortly,
I will post my results once I am done...

Thank You for the info Jim
Tinman

05-08-2000 15:03:06

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim Hearne
Go carefully, i'm not sure how stable it is yet, or if are going to be any heat problems.
The K6-3 is probably going to be worse than the K6-2 i'm playing with.
I'd like a K6-3 but we can't get them in the UK anymore

JIM

05-08-2000 16:24:55

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim Hearne
Oops, forgot, mine was a gooped V2 board.

JIM

05-08-2000 16:26:49

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Jim:

This voltage tweak helped alot. I was able to bump the bus speed from 2.5 to 3.0, and the bus from 66 to 75mhz.
225 Mhz is a far cry from what this is rated at, but I am happy.
This thing runs sooooooooo much better than it did with the Winchip 2/200.
The cache helps alot. I'll be looking for more ways to bump it up even higher in the future, but for now this is just fine :)

I sure hope duvell see's this, I tried to email him, but my mail came back.

Good Day
Tinman

05-08-2000 16:50:40

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) duvell
Jim: If you send me your address I'll mail you an extra DIP switch. I just got my shipment from Digikey yesterday and ordered a few of these. I knew I would destroy my board if I had to add and remove zero ohm resitors very often!

Send me an e-mail at umbarger at usa dot net with your postal address and I'll drop it in the mail.

Tinman, I just found this thread; its exactly what I was looking for! I don't know what happened to my email, nothing is getting through but I can still log in and send mail so my account wasn't pulled or anything. Strange.

--duvell

PS R203 and R202 have a common node. Do you guys know where they are connected from there? Is it U16? Which pin?

I got in a hurry and zapped one of the pads on R202 on the end that connects to R203.
Dooh!

05-09-2000 15:11:27

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Duvell:

Yes, they connect to U16 Pin #2.
I did the same thing , hate when that happens.
Good Luck!
Tinman

05-10-2000 06:30:03

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Duvell:

Also, capacitor C173 on the end closest to the processor ties into that same pad. It shoots off of the 203 side of the common point between 202 and 203 pad over to the top (side closest to prcessor) of C173.
I hope this helps.
Tinman

05-10-2000 06:37:18

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Solder Boy
Tinman,

Try to stay away from FSBs that are not 66 or 100Mhz. Because cyberblade 7 doesn't know how to deal w/ other speeds.

Solder Boy

05-10-2000 16:04:16

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Your right Solder Boy, but 75 seemed to work ok. I got tired of it all and snaged me a powerleap.
I have it running at 400 Mhz /256 L2 cache running at same speed, a real nice boost.
I am now moving all the parts (caps/coils/connectors) off of the powerleap and into the IO case so I dont have to cut into the stand. I also have a great console for the IO now, I will be concealing it all in a radio shacc (61-2236)
Surge protector, they have a ton of room. It'll house my usb cd rom, and a 250 watt power supply, usb hub, and the power supply to the hub and the IO. It's been alot of fun so far, and it'll rock once I am done.
Thanks for the tip Solder Boy, and have a good one!
05-10-2000 22:30:11

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Mini-Me
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Duvell: What digi-key part # did you use for the dip switch?
05-13-2000 14:31:04

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Ergo
Tinman which powerleap kit did you use?
05-13-2000 18:55:09

New MessageMicro DIP Switches (modified 0 times) duvell
The Digikey P/N for the micro DIP switches I ordered is: CT2184LPST-ND. The price is $2.30 each.
05-14-2000 15:50:24

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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Ergo:

I got the PL-K6-III adapter and added my own K6-3 400.
It is a must to have Resistors 60 and 61 connected for it to work. It is able to go faster than 400 Mhz, but the Iopener won't go any faster than 400 Mhz without loosing the ability to locate the hard drive. No idea whats up there, it posts ok.

Tinman

05-14-2000 17:52:00

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) ioioioinfoioioio
Tinman, can you clarify resistors 60 and 61? where are these located?

I've got a K6-3-400 still setting in esd bag and anxious to use it.

05-14-2000 19:40:32

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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ioioioinfoioioio:

These resistors are in place from the factory, if you haven't removed them trying to make voltage adjustments required for the K63 400, then your alright. Those resistors have to be removed when your not using a powerleap,
per codemans cpu hack.

Tinman

05-14-2000 20:11:41

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PL-K6-III? Not the 98 version? How?

I've got the 2.0 PL-K6-III, and it doesn't work. How did you do it?

05-14-2000 22:32:05

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) TheNewNumber2
I tried the "modify the onboard regulator approach" and successfully booted a K6-III at 66 x 3, but could not get anything faster to boot. The power supply just could not handle the current, and the poor Q16 was getting quite hot. I tried the tinsnips / hobbyshop sheet copper / soldering gun heatsink construction method, and was able to run the chip at 200MHz for well over an hour.

Wanting more speed, I purchased the Maxim 1711 evaluation board from www.maximic.com for $60, and by adding a 1K resistor across C18, then turning all DIP switches to "short", I got a pure 2.2 v. I also needed to short the 5 ohm R12 to increase the amount of deliverable power.

Iopener Q16 was totally removed; Power for the board comes from the onboard 18v supply off the inductor side of Q14. Ground is ground, and the output goes to the lower Q16 pad. +5 bias from the eval board goes to the top side of iOpener R306. As a result, the power supply turns on when the IOpener turns off, goes off when it goes off, and pulls from the native 18v supply. No need for external power. I added a few more 1500 uF caps in parallel to the ceramic caps around the CPU.

The board will run at 4 x 100, but the N1 transistor gets hot if doing numerically intensive work. At 3.5 x 100 everything works fine.

I've ordered an additional IRF 7811 from Newark Electronics to parallel across N1 to improve drive / reduce heat. Hopefully this will let me go to 4.5 x 100.

Just wanted to let people know there is an alternative to riser sockets and external power supplies if you don't mind heavy soldering.

05-23-2000 03:45:29

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
Does any one have that image saved???? because the web page is gone
berinc@acadia.net

icq 25133744

06-05-2000 11:16:11

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim Hearne
Assuming your talking about my picture.

Sorry, my Boss moved the company website (and mine as well) and the DNS servers haven't caught up yet.
In the mean time it's direct address is here.

http://195.188.126.123/pcrs_cf/jimhearne/io/R342-343.jpg

Jim

06-05-2000 12:33:35

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinman
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I need some help, I am running at 2.2 Volts for my cpu and Q16 is getting way to hot (130 degrees Fand higher) and the IO locks up after a while. I was wondering, I'm not the greatest with electronic parts. It looks to be a voltage regulator.
Can Q16 actually be replaced with a higher value (amps/volts) transistor to keep it from overheating, or maybe even add another transistor exactly like it to share the load? I have another here exactly the same. If not, if anyone knows the characteristics of the one currently in place (# 2BN03L / AB950 )what would be a suitable replacement. I did a search on digikey and can't see to find anything relating to it. I intend to heatsink it, and the way it would be sitting, the cpu fan exhaust could acually blow across it. The cpu runs very cool, around 93 degrees F. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Tinman

06-07-2000 06:28:13

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Jim Hearne
Q16 does get rather hot at 2.2 Volts
I made a little L shaped heatsink from copper, approx 1/4" x 3/4" x 1/2" Wide, i just soldered the short end of the L vertically to the lug of Q16 right next to the body.
Seems to be enough to run at 250mhz (2.5x100)ok.
Ideally Q16 needs to be replaced with a Switched mode regulator running from the 19 Volt input.
I've also fitted a heatsink to the 4 power Fets in main power supply as they get fairly warm as well.

JIM

06-07-2000 16:51:18

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) mp3boombox
So what can we replace this regulartor with that will take the excess power????
06-22-2000 23:28:12

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinytorpedo
Hey guys I love what you do and want to goin in. I've me one of them "V4" IOPs that are suppose to have multiplane voltage and in the bios it says is can go down to 2.3V which is a step in the right direction but I don't want 2.5V. I would love 2.2V. Then I could use this K6-3 400 I've got. Any thought on what needs to be done to go down just three tenths V? Thanks alot
06-28-2000 22:28:28

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinytorpedo
I found an AMD K6-3 and it says it runs on 2.4V well if my V4 will do 2.5V can this mean that I can just drop it in there? If so isn't that too easy. Anyone have any insight or how to drop a tenth of a volt.
06-29-2000 07:02:18

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Nope
It won't work torp, the cpu demands a little too much power. You'll need to use a K63 adapter.
06-29-2000 15:32:56

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) Tinytorpedo
You you talkin one of those adapters that draws outside power or one like TheNewNumber2 used? Could I concievably do it w/ a K6-2?
06-30-2000 06:27:53

New MessageRE:2.2 core voltage is possible. (modified 0 times) PhreshJive
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Could someone please email me detailed instructions on how to actually change the CPU and the parts i will need. I'm a novice at this sort of thing and I'd really appreciate it. I'd like to put in a K6-2 without needing an external power supply.

Thanks
Allan
ajaslow at hotmail dot com

07-15-2000 09:22:03

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