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New Message40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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I picked up a 40/44 pin adaptor so that I could copy the doc image over using a 3.5" drive but the adapter won't fit down onto the webplayer's 44 pin socket because of the tall cylindrical resistor coming up out of the motherboard. The resistor is the one to the right of the socket if you are looking at the player motherboard from behind with the case cover off.

Pin 1 on the 44 pin socket is the pin furthest from the screen towards the back of the webplayer, right? If that's the case this adapter won't fit because some of the adaptor board sticks out to the right the 44 pin socket, and comes in contact woth the resistor so it can be set into place. Did I just get a funky adaptor or are other people's adaptors like this too? The adaptor has a numbering scheme on the pins and I'm sure I need to line up pin 1 on the adaptor to pin 1 on the 44 pin socket on the webplayer (assuming pin 1 is the pin furthest away from the screen). If this is the case I'm just screwed with this adaptor. This is pretty frustrating. Any ideas where I can I get an adaptor that will work? Thanks.

11-24-2000 19:22:52

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) famewolf
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http://www.compgeeks.com <-- adaptor is top down instead of the type you described.
11-24-2000 20:25:44

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) brown234
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Where is the adaptor on the compgeeks site?
11-24-2000 22:21:40

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) brown234
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will this adaptor work? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=504923443
11-24-2000 22:59:26

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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Thanks famewolf, anyone have a link to the item? I'm searching the site now and not finding it yet.

brown234: that's the one I have so apparently that won't work.

11-24-2000 23:34:41

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) skydiver
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http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=HDD

I ordered two hard drives from this page, and the site suggested some other parts.
The adaptor was one. I can not fine it now, but from the sales order can tell you it's:

Universal 2.5 to 3.5 Hard Drive adaptor w/brackets
Part Number: 205-1991 $2.95

The part is flat and sticks straight up from the MB.

44 pin laptop cabels and parts
http://cablesonline.net/44pinlapinri.html


Posted from a WebPlayer running Embed98!

11-25-2000 09:34:24

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) famewolf
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Out of curiosity...did you have any problems with the modem after install?
11-25-2000 13:31:27

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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skydiver, I found the part on the compugeeks page and that's the same thing I have. I can't get it to work. I can't line up pin 1 on the adaptor with pin 1 on the 44 pin socket on the motherboard because the adaptor board sticks out and hits the tall cylindrical resistor that is to the right of the 44 pin socket if you are looking at the mb from behind. I can attach the adaptor to the mb but to do so I have to attach it with the pin 1 edge on the adaptor lined up with the pin 44 edge on the socket that's on the mb. I tried it that way and the mb won't recognize my 3.5" hd. Unless I am doing something wrong this item won't work.

Here's a picture of what you ordered:

http://www.compgeeks.com/images/1991.jpg

11-25-2000 15:16:42

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) teesee150
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I figured out how to make it work

go to http://cablesonline.net/44pinlapinri.html and buy the 44 Pin Male/Male IDC 2.5" IDE Laptop Gender Changer and also get a 10" 44 Pin IDE Laptop 2.5" Hard Drive Ribbon Cable. Plug the male/male connecter into the 2.5 to 3.5 adaptor and then use the 44 pin cable to connecter it to the mobo. Also dont foget to buy a gender changer for the power so you can power your hard drive.

11-25-2000 17:59:35

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) skydiver
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" Out of curiosity...did you have any problems with the modem after install? "

Yes. The image must have come off a computer with a US robotics X2 modem. I changed it to 'Standard 33.6 modem ' and it works fine, but I don't belive the conecting speed. The driver list was short. I know a way to create .bat and .inf files to pull drivers off the various Win9x CDs, and I will post it here when I update the modem drivers.


Posted from an IO running 98 lite.

11-25-2000 20:16:48

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) skydiver
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" Here's a picture of what you ordered:
http://www.compgeeks.com/images/1991.jpg "

Nope. I have one like the picture above. Used it on my IO before getting a 2.5 hard dive and modded cable. The one from Comp Geeks is flat. I don't have a digital camera. I'll try scanning it to show every one.

11-25-2000 20:23:17

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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teesee150, do you have a link for the power gender changer? I've never seen one of those. When I asked someone at a local computer store they looked at me like they didn't know what I was talking about.

skydiver, I'd like to see a picture of what you have when you get a chance. The part number you mentioned corresponded to the picture of the item I posted but you obviously must have gotten something else. Thanks.

11-25-2000 21:51:34

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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I can't modify my last message for some reason so I'm having to post another message here...

Anyway about the modem, why did you change it to 33.6 rather than 56k? I'm pretty sure the modem in the webplayer is supposed to be 56k. Is there not a driver option for a 56k standard modem in the win98 lite image?

11-25-2000 21:56:30

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) teesee150
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Not really sure if they sell them or not, but you should be able to solder on a power connecter or buy a y splitter power connecter and cut one of the ends off and use wire caps to attach it to the adaptor...
11-25-2000 22:26:03

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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Couldn't I just plug the hard drive into a power supply while I transfer the 98lite image to the doc?
11-25-2000 22:32:06

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) teesee150
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The powersupply would work also.
11-25-2000 23:29:38

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) famewolf
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Maldorer,

The driver used does not affect the speed of the modem one way or the other..using the generic 33.6 driver works just fine for the 56k modem.

11-26-2000 11:55:43

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) CockVirus
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maldoror-

did you ever get this figured out? i'm looking for a way to hook up my DESKTOP hard drive to the webplayer. unless i'm reading this topic incorrectly, the solutions provide here seem to be for someone hooking up a LAPTOP drive--that is unless the adapter designed for using a laptop drive inside your desktop can also work in reverse.

if you can just give me the knowledge, where to buy the right adapter to hook up my 1994 3.5" 420MB Conner (ready to go) to the webplayer (to flash the DOC with embed98.img), I'd surely appreciate it.

11-30-2000 00:33:19

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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I still haven't seen an adaptor anywhere that will fit down on the webplayer mb to allow a 3.5 hard drive to be hooked up. The adpator I have won't work. The one listed at compugeeks is the same one I have judging by the picture on their web site.
11-30-2000 00:40:19

New MessageRE:Modem questions (modified 0 times) gvonk
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I am getting tired of people questioning the difference in modem speeds, ie 33.6 vs 56k. The highest modem speed made is a 33.6. Some good compression boosts that up to 56k (x2 etc) in most new modems but Windows need only support it as 33.6 because that's how fast the modem can do without compression.
11-30-2000 01:10:26

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) famewolf
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Compgeeks has the straight adaptors as well..the picture is misleading.
11-30-2000 10:29:19

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) Gorf
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Famewolf, So the one you got from CompGeeks just plugs straight to the motherboard's header and then you can plug a 40 pin ide cable on to that? or did you need some more cabling?
Also do you have any recommendations on how to make sure wer're getting the adaptor that works if we order it from there?
Thanks for all your help.
11-30-2000 11:34:22

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) famewolf
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Yes mine was straight..no I didn't need any additional cables other then a standard 40 pin ide cable...and I have no idea how you would ensure you got the right one other then to order it and see.
11-30-2000 14:19:17

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) cerulean
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Is this what the straight through adapter looks like?

http://home2.store.com/harbourtownsales/html/cat8/main.html#

Fifth item down on the page.

11-30-2000 16:35:14

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) famewolf
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Thats it.
12-01-2000 07:21:04

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) maldoror
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Wow, that place wants $7 to ship something that weighs a few ounces? The shipping is almost 30% more than the item costs.
12-01-2000 16:03:43

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) cerulean
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The shipping is pretty steep. I almost fell into the trap of buying something else to spread the cost over a few items. The shipping cost was the same even when I added a couple of removeable drive bays. But I restrained myself and just got the adapter.

Maybe I can use it on an I-Opener once I'm done with reprogramming my soon-to-arrive WebPlayer.

12-01-2000 18:56:38

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) Gorf
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I was put off by the shipping too; so I called all the local shops and was a bit surprised to find one that had it lying there on a shelf. I was happy that I didn't have to wait but when I went to pick it up they wanted $13.95! for it AND it was the one that gets in the way of the capacitor AND it didn't even have the little 2.5-3.5 in rails so if I ever wanted to use it like it was designed... no dice. So I figured what the hell. Plus I need a nice long cat5 patch I can run from the network closet back to the rear bedroom where the webplayer will probably live and that harbour place has got 50 footers for $8. So for $21 I got my adaptor and patch (plus a spare ide). I should have just done this a week ago when cerulean posted the link. I'd be up and running by now.
12-05-2000 08:41:37

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) johna
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Ordered mine (adapter and 10' cable) yesterday and it arrived today. Waiting on hard drive later this week or early next. Shipping may be steep but sure is fast. Hoping that my Intel Anypoint USB will work on it. Will post results maybe next week.
12-05-2000 12:55:43

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) brown234
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DO NOT ORDER FROM HARBOURTOWN!! I just received my adapter and they sent me the one that will not work with the webplayer. Anyone know where I can get one that will work?
12-15-2000 17:19:27

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) Gorf
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DRAT, DRAT, DRAT
I got mine too.
poopy.
12-17-2000 21:31:13

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) cerulean
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I got mine too. I happened to have some through-hole headers that I could use to "raise" the height of the motherboard's connector so that the adapter cleared the interferences. I'd recommend that people get the 44/40 pin cables that I seem to remember seeing listed in this forum. With the adapter, you don't know whether it will work until you have it in hand....

Sorry if anyone got this adapter because of my post. I thought it would work as-is.

(I wanted the adapter because I have another use for it after I'm done with my Webplayer.)

12-18-2000 09:41:27

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) brown234
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I emailed Harbourtown and told them my problem. I requested that they ship the correct adapter to me, like the one pictured on their website. I just received an automated tracking number from UPS saying that Harbourtown has shipped a package to me today. I guess they decided to ship the correct adapter to me but i'm not sure if they want the old one back or not.
12-18-2000 14:11:10

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) Lauster12
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Totally bizzare;

I followed these posts and finally ordered a connector from Harbourtownsales.com When I got it, as we know now, it was the wrong one. I e-mailed them an hour ago, and came back here to see if there were any other solutions, and found that others were getting the wrong ones also. Well after reading the last post I checked my e-mail and harbourtown had already replied and said they were sending out the correct one tomorrow! They said that the supply of the old one had not sold before this new "straight thru" one was added, and when you think about it, prior to the web appliance hacking, these connectors probably worked for any other application without an issue. I told them that their response was appreciated by those of us who need a specific adapter. I am looking forward to loading my WP!


RTFI
12-19-2000 19:08:35

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) brown234
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Did they tell you to send the old one back or not? I never got an email from them, just a tracking number so i'm not sure what to do. Please leave feedback for Harbourtown at http://resellerratings.com/, they are a great company for helping us out like this.
12-19-2000 19:37:49

New MessageRE:40/44 pin adaptor problem - it won't fit on the webplayer motherboard? (modified 0 times) pbodine
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You *can* use the offset adapter on the webplayer. It's not particularly elegant, but it works if you just want to put an image on the DOC.

The problem with the offset adapter is that there's not enough space between the Webplayer's IDE header and some other components on the motherboard; the adapter just won't fit. However, if you can live without the power and LED connections, you can just turn the adapter around, move it over a bit, and install it. Here's the details:

You will need:
- a 44-pin to 40-pin adapter
- a desktop hard drive
- a desktop IDE cable (a 40-conductor cable)
- a power source for the drive
- a paper clip

1. Preparing the adapter:
Make sure that all the pins on the adapter are intact. If it has been used before, chances are that someone has already bent down or removed one of the pins. You're going to need this pin back in place. If it's bent, carefully bend it back in place. If it's broken off, you have to desolder it, push the stub of the pin out, and solder in another pin salvaged from something else.

2. Installing the adapter:
Position the adapter, turned backwards, over the Webplayer's IDE header. The two pairs of pins near the front of the machine are the power and LED pins. You don't need them. Move the adapter toward the back of the machine a bit, so that, as you push the adapter on to the connector, those first two pairs of pins are left exposed. (This is very important. Those pins contain voltage that will fry your hard drive.) Push the adapter onto the pins now.

3. Attaching the cable:
The connector on your IDE cable probably has a hole that's filled in; this will get in the way, so drill a new hole (or use a hot paperclip). The connector should also have a "key," a raised bump of plastic on one side. Position the connector over the adapter so that the key faces the side of the motherboard that has all those capacitors and stuff that got in the way of the adaptor in the first place. Now push the cable onto the adapter.

4. Connecting the hard drive:
Attach your hard drive to the IDE cable and an external power source.

You're ready to go. I hope no one is annoyed at the length and detail of this post; I tried to write the instructions that I wish I had had when I figured this out yesterday.


"It's enough to put one off war." - Graham Chapman
12-20-2000 12:33:01

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