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Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile I have just loaded the jailbait image onto my doc, but when I try to boot, LILO halts at "Loading hdb." Anyone else have this problem and/or a solution? Thanks! Riv0rX 02-09-2001 05:49:23

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email I haven't had that problem. Mine halts with a Kernal Panic: Can't init VFS! I'm working on it. Do you have a 16 meg DOC or 48? 02-09-2001 12:47:08

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile 48MB. The whole image writing process seemed to work fine. Which options need to be enabled in the bios to get the DOC recognized by linux? 02-12-2001 05:44:50

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile Correction - I actually have the 16MB DOC, I forgot I had switched out my 48MB one which has Win98 on it. 02-12-2001 08:03:07

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email Basically any reference to DOS/WIN9X should be changed. If UNIX is an option, pick that, otherwise it's OTHER, NON-DOS, etc. I haven't had a chance to do anymore with Jailbait, yet, but I'm getting to it (Work, blah blah blah). I think since the Jailbait Distro is tuned for the I-Opener (or whatever) it's looking for a drive in the wrong place, maybe I can mail the Jailbait team my WP and let them tune it for the WP. Bear in mind I tried to boot it twice and didn't take notes. :*( <-Bozo -=Gonzotek=- 02-13-2001 16:03:18

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile ok, I wrote the jailbait image to a hard drive to tried to boot off of that... Now I'm getting the linux 'LI' Error code which usually means that there is a Drive Geometry mismatch, but I have double checked that and it looks fine. I'm getting ready to throw this thing out the window. ;) 02-14-2001 06:02:46

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) conway Profile | Email hdb is the second IDE harddisk. Try booting off hda. (If you get to the LILO prompt give it the extra option of root=/dev/hda) I don't have one of these yet, so the above is just an educated guess :) 02-14-2001 13:01:02

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile When I try to boot root=/dev/hda LILO tells me "No such image. [Tab] shows a list." Which is kind of bizarre. I think LILO isn't a big fan of DOCs. 02-15-2001 06:43:16

try hd?=noprobe (modified 0 times) foobarbaz Profile I know from experience that many (if not most) flash disks do not report their geometry properly to lilo or linux. On my PC110 palmtop, which runs a minimalist (base + ssh + irc) debian install from a 48-meg compactflash card, I have to pass the parameters hdb=noprobe hdb=738,4,32 root=/dev/hdb1 to the kernel to allow it to boot; otherwise, it hangs probing hdb (the compactflash card). I recommend finding the proper geometry to use for the DOC, and specifying it manually with hda=noprobe hda=<cylinders>,<heads>,<sectors> (or hdb, if you've got another drive preempting the DOC). Try this out and let us know the result; I can't try it yet as I'm eagerly awaiting arrival of my coop-ordered webplayers. 02-15-2001 14:00:25

try hd?=noprobe (modified 0 times) foobarbaz Profile I know from experience that many (if not most) flash disks do not report their geometry properly to lilo or linux. On my PC110 palmtop, which runs a minimalist (base + ssh + irc) debian install from a 48-meg compactflash card, I have to pass the parameters hdb=noprobe hdb=738,4,32 root=/dev/hdb1 to the kernel to allow it to boot; otherwise, it hangs probing hdb (the compactflash card). I recommend finding the proper geometry to use for the DOC, and specifying it manually with hda=noprobe hda=(cylinders),(heads),(sectors) (or hdb, if you've got another drive preempting the DOC). Try this out and let us know the result; I can't try it yet as I'm eagerly awaiting arrival of my coop-ordered webplayers. 02-15-2001 14:00:39

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile I am unable to pass ANY parameters to LILO because it keeps telling me that there is "No Such Image [Tab] shows a list" Since I can't get into linux, I can't change any of the parameters..... is there any way to override what LILO this is an available bootable image? 02-16-2001 07:48:46

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) conway Profile | Email What happens when you press Tab? Is there a list of images? The problem is that LILO needs to know where the kernel resides on the disk before it can load it (or pass any options to it). If nothing appears when you press Tab at the LILO prompt, then LILO does not know of any images, then it cannot boot. You need to boot into Linux some other way and reinstall LILO. If you can get it to boot a DOS disk somehow (USB floppy?) you can use the loadlin DOS program to load linux. Check out the LILO HOWTO : http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-2.html 02-16-2001 10:58:15

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email My limits have been reached! I need some Linux-knowledgable people to step in and tell me what I'm doing here. LILO gets the kernel and loads it alright, some modules are loaded, and then it panics with these message: ------------------- ... ... devfs: boot_options requst_module [block-major-3]: Root fs not mounted VFS: Cannot open root device "341" or 03:41 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:41 ---------------------- I found a util named LTOOLS that allows DOS, Windows, etc to view and work with LINUX disks in a limited way. Looking at LILO.conf, I think it is correct, but I don't know what else to try. You may need an alt location to download LTOOLS. I kept getting a corrupted zip file from the LTOOLS site, but a quick google search will let you dl from somewhere else 02-19-2001 13:26:08

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) conway Profile | Email Have you tried to give LILO alternate root= options? i.e. at the prompt do : linux root=/dev/hda1 (You need to look at the layout of the disk. "a" is master disk on first controller, "b" is slave disk on first controller, "c" is master on second controller, etc. The # at the end is the partition #. If linux is installed on the first partition this is 1, on a second 2, etc.) Is this Linux on the DOC or on a hard drive? I'm not sure as what # is the DOC recognized.. 02-19-2001 15:55:19

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email Sorry...I typed a long message, but hit the back button and deleted it :(. LILO sees the DOC as HDB on my system. It succesfully starts booting the kernel, loading modules, etc., then panics. I believe LILO is using HDB1, based on the LILO.conf file located in /etc/ . -=Gonzotek=- 02-19-2001 16:36:04

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) conway Profile | Email Hmm... Just read somewhere that the DOC on the webplayer does not register itself as IDE on the bus but has its own BIOS. Interesting.. This might be the problem w/Linux. Does win9x on the webplayer need any special drivers to see the DOC? 02-19-2001 20:39:40

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email Ummm....I believe the *whole* point of Jailbait was to be able to install Linux on a 16 meg DOC. That's what Jailbait.Sourceforge.net says anyway. 02-19-2001 21:15:28

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) conway Profile | Email Yeah, thats the point, but the question is: is the WebPlayer DOC standard IDE, or does it need special drivers? If it does, drivers could be written, and added to the Jailbat distro.. BTW, do you have the hard drive controller enabled in the BIOS? Try disabling it -- then the DOC should become hda.. Try booting into DOS off an HD and see how the DOC is seen by DOS's fdisk for example.. Also it maybe Jailbait is trying to use the IDE controller w/o looking at the BIOS -- there could be a way of configuring it to use only BIOS calls for HD access, etc.. In short, more info is needed! :) 02-20-2001 11:10:23

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email Reading the other forums last night, I think I found what the problem is, and you're correct, the DOC is not on the IDE bus. I took notes, but they're at home, do a search for Jailbait in the IOpener and WebSurfer tech areas if you'd like. Basically I (or somebody else ) will have to add the Linux drivers from M-Sys to the jailbait distro. Expect my slow and plodding arse to do nothing for awhile, until I can learn enough to pull this off. I'll post again tonite (maybe) after I've read the Linux Drivers .pdf and attempt adding them myself. I'm fairly convinced I don't have enough Linux-Skill for this, but that never stopped me before (wink, wink) -=Gonzotek=- 02-20-2001 12:36:52

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) conway Profile | Email Aaaah! There we go! :) Didn't know they had a Linux driver for it.. I'd do it myself, but I still have to get a cable and drive for the thing to play with it :( Basically what you need to do is recompile the Jailbait kernel with this driver (instructions probably included with the driver, or if its a loadable module, you don't need to recompile the whole kernel even), and put the resultant kernel (or the modules) on the image. Sounds simple enough :) (It'll be a royal pain I'm sure! :) ) Goodluck, and tell us what happens!! 02-20-2001 17:34:31

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email M-Sys' Linux installation manual (avail. from their site) goes into detail about booting with/without a HD, and a bunch of other things. After a cursory reading of it, I think I can add a loadable module. I might need to pick some brains if I run into trouble, tho. I promise a DOC .img if I get it working. -=Gonzotek=- 02-21-2001 12:30:23

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) riv0rx Profile Anyone had any luck getting ANY distro of linux running on the webplayer DOC? 03-12-2001 09:28:35

RE:Jailbait Question (modified 0 times) Gonzotek Profile | Email Still working on it. I need a working installation of Linux on a big machine before I can make the JB/WP-DOC distro. I've been toying with Mandrake's WinLinux, but I think that I need a true Linux-only install. -=Gonzotek=- 03-13-2001 10:38:28

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