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New MessageGPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) koulouty
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With the help of a friend of mine, k-ray ( http://k-ray.netbox.be/?&jq=04010 ), and SnackPack ( http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=verytech&Post=114&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Page=&Session= ) I was able to get a Rand McNally GPS unit working with the WP.

The GPS receiver has 4 wires (Tx, Rx, GND, and +5V) and would otherwise connect to a PC with rs-232 serial ports. The WP serial ports are TTL. Rather than using a Maxim part to convert the TTL to rs232 on the WP, then from rs232 to ttl on the GPS, we bypassed the TTL-> rs232 conversion all together.

This is the typical flow from PC to a serial device:

|<--Device-->|<---Computer--->|
ttl -> rs-232 -> rs-232 -> ttl

Next, i performed a similar mod to the GPS unit with the phone cord like SnackPack did. I wired +5V, GND, Rx and Tx from CN15 on the WP to the 4 pins on the rj11 connector on the back (i don't use the modem.) Then, i tacked on the 4 wires from a phone cable (with rj11 connector on one end) onto the GPS receiver in the appropriate locations. After installing the Rand Mcnally software, I hooked the gps receiver to the phone jack on the back of the WP. The Rand McNally software detected the GPS unit and after the 3-5 minutes it took to locate and lock onto a satellite, i was up and running.

rs232 enables you to run long distances of cable with no transmission errors. The only draw back to this method i choose is that i'm limited the distance of cable between the GPS unit and the WP. Since I will be using this in my car, that won't become an issue.

My next step is to build a DC-DC power supply, and then mount the WP in the car. I have a USB nic to transfer mp3s to the WP with hard drive, and i have a kenwood aux adapter to feed the audio into my stereo.

04-11-2001 09:01:14

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) funky333
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how did you load the rand mc nally software? are you going to post pics of your modifications?
04-12-2001 23:42:05

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) koulouty
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I installed the software by mapping the cdrom drive over the network. I also installed a few local maps i'd need onto the hard drive. The install took about 130MB.

There seems to be some sort of intermittent problem now with the GPS. When i was testing the serial ports, I noticed that the ports seemed to "jump" from CN15 to CN6. Let's say i went into hyperterminal, connected to com1, and typed stuff on the screen. I would see activity on the Tx pin on CN 15 sometimes, and CN6 othertimes. I currently have the GPS wired to CN15. I may move it to CN6 and try it again.

Pics will be on the way. I'm not sure why the GPS doesn't lock onto a satellite all the time. Yesterday afternoon, it connected but a few hours later, in the same spot, i couldn't lock. It could be related to the above problem, or it could be my wiring. Once i figure it out, i'll post pics showing where i made the connections.

04-13-2001 09:42:50

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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Interesting ! One Question, How did You switch the RS232 Levels in the GPS to TTL ?
04-13-2001 16:44:51

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) BigDog
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I was using a Belkin USB serial converter to run my Rand Mcnally GPS receiver, it too would take forever to lock on the sat. signals, I eventually gave up on the Webplayer due to the very dim display and the very unstable USB to work on my i-openers.

I just got done installing Badflash's RS232 MAX235 converter on one of my i-openers and hooked up the reciver, I started receiving satelite signals right away and it's working great.

I would guess that unless you have some way to skip the RS232 circuit driver on the GPS receiver, you will not have much luck running it off the TTL ports. I took my reciever apart and researched the chip manufacurer, seems like it was some type of Zodiac chip, I think Conexant made it but I wouln't swear to it, I did this several months ago and left the documentation on my computer at work.

04-16-2001 22:37:14

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) koulouty
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Yeah, the lock time really sucks. I'm not sure if i am just not patient enough, or i really am having problems with my mods.

StarFish, I skipped the entire rs232 conversion. The GPS unit does not have a rs232 ciruit driver, but rather transistors to invert the voltages. So i lifted a pin on the transistor handling the Rx on the GPS and soldered Tx from the WP to it, then i did the same with Tx on the GPS and Rx on the WP. In the end, i had TTL from the CN15 going to TTL on the GPS. It's hard to explain how without pics. I'll get them up soon, or i can just tell you which pins i lifted and where i soldered the wires.

04-17-2001 13:37:48

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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Thanks koulouty, Yes, I am Interested. But I am in no hurry.
I would like to do another GPS or 2 If I catch them on Sale.
I would be Interested in skipping the RS232 chip next time.
My first one is Hooked to an I-Opener as Described in the SnackPack thread (RS232).
I have Noticed mine seems to Need to warm up ? If I get MP3s running first, then the GPS Software,
The GPS Unit is talking till then. I Need to try the Hibernate Mode in WinMe Next. BootUp Time is Killing Me.
04-17-2001 19:47:07

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) zyxw
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Hi,
Do you have any pictures you could point to of the mods made to the GPS? I'm interested in setting up an I-Opener to do this... but am no solder guru... if I am understanding this correctly I remove a pin and shunt a connection to avoid the inverter? 1 for rx 1 for tx??

Thanks

05-23-2001 08:17:55

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) kray
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I don't know anything about GPS, but if you could publish some detailed pictures of an opened GPS, I can probably
show you where to get the signals from.
You will probably need some solder experience to perform this job.
K-Ray -- The Journals
05-23-2001 11:37:21

New MessageProblem with RF interference perhaps? (modified 0 times) Griffo
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Perhaps you're getting some EMI through your wiring from your WP that's freaking out your GPS reciever. Might be an idea to wrap the signal wires through one of those ferrite EMI-reducing-core-type-thingy's (How's that for the correct technical term?) A half a dozen turns of your data wires around one of those ring ferrite cores should pretty much kill any stray RF.

Dave

05-23-2001 17:30:48

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) *SF*
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koulouty> It's hard to explain how without pics.
&/or
kray> detailed pictures of an opened GPS, I can probably show you where to get the signals from.

Does this photo Show the Transistors Clear enough ?

I assume We are talking about the 2, 3 legged Devices,
1 with Markings, "1Fp" & "9n" (or "u6")
The other, "JE" & "L9" (or "67")

Oh & while I am Posting, anyone want to recomend a Nice .JPG Editor,
I am Interested in Cropping & adding Circles & Arrows.

06-02-2001 00:34:49

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) *SF*
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Hey koulouty,

You still around ? or are You Outside Enjoying the GREAT SUMMER Weather ? How's your GPS working ?
Did You Look @ my photo, & can You now explain Your Mod ?

TIA, * StarFish *

06-27-2001 14:39:42

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) kray
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It seems I have missed your last posting :(
Anyway, have any luck yet with the GPS?
The photo is a bit too close. I can't see a thing
on this photo that I could use to help you.
Any other pictures?
06-28-2001 04:05:20

New MessageRE:GPS\serial ports working with WP (modified 0 times) *SF*
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I have More, But I don't know if they will be any Help either ? Click on GPS

My GPS is working Fine. I am just thinking about my next one
& anyone else who might be planning on adding this GPS to their system.

Even @ the $99 I paid, this is such a Great Feature for my moble MP3 Player.
If You can find this cheaper it is a Must Have !

06-28-2001 08:17:31

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