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New MessageNPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
Just thought I'd mention the fact that perhaps NPLI might be behind all the flaming recently.

Really woudln't take much to impress a few employees with lots of stock option to maybe try and f#k with this board.
After all, this is _THE_ board for hacking the IO.

Even some of the folks who seem more 'level-heaed', calling people trolls and script kiddies, and lamerz might just be a feignt, and feeding the fires.

Remember on a Usenet group once, way back....

About 6-8 people got together, and made it seem like 30-40 people were actualy duking it out across most of the threads.
Multiple people, multiple usernames, multiple threads, not too difficult to do.

The moral?

Let bygones be bygones, and let sleeping NPLI trolls lie.

06-05-2000 22:04:02

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Edward
Anythings possible but I think you give NPLI too much credit. Also... If they'd offer stock options I hope they're stocks for another company. Anyone who'd work for NPLI stocks has got to be kookoo.
06-06-2000 01:51:45

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) flamer lamer
THE flamers are lamers cause they donnna have nothin else to do all been done on the hack to IO so dup effort or lamers no effort want it all want it now for free
06-06-2000 02:41:16

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) spincycle
What are npli stocks down to? 3 bucks? LOL, I warned the execs about
this is my conversation with them...
06-07-2000 13:46:43

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) REPLY TO TOPIC
I bet NPLI is just setting back and watching......There stocks going down and this bbs going down......

They don't even need to add any confusion to this board..... it already exists!

It appears both their days and this bbs days are closing soon.....

Just an opinion!

06-07-2000 15:08:31

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) I-opener stock
I think one is mistaken about the NPLI stock today.... it's above 6....
http://www.quicken.com/investments/charts/?symbol=NPLI
06-07-2000 19:24:15

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) NPLI
Skrew you netpliance! You made a mistake! A mistake that any legit hacker could have found. If you are reading this board regularly, like everyone knows you do, I have a few words to say:
Fu(k off - It's not to your benifit that hackers used the Iopener for other purposes.
Go away - Cut your losses and ABORT your mission to create a $100 computer.

Thats all for now, wouldn't want to waste any more of my time, or your precious bandwidth. Plus I am tired.

06-07-2000 22:36:55

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Doctor P
Ask your doctor about Prozack (TM) This may help you too.
06-08-2000 03:35:40

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
Hey Spin,

Can you ring up Ken for us, and get an update :)

06-13-2000 23:56:33

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) spincycle
LOL Bad_packet, sure. I'm guessing they have my number blocked anyways... =)
06-20-2000 10:15:03

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Useful
I bet NPL has found the information on this board most useful. Probrobly even save a few bucks on R&D costs.
07-02-2000 18:12:51

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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Sure they have also. Looks like Shadow' earned some of his pay. But, I still think most of the IO's have been hacked, and NP is destined to die a quiet death by the end of the year. The big boys are starting to look into this computing niche.
07-05-2000 22:29:21

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) justme
Hi,
For years I worked as a corporate programmer, then later a freelance consultant. There is just no way Netpliance is overly interested in spreading disinformation regarding I-Openers on this board. First, it's too technical, the cost of someone who had a clue would be overly great, and resources would be better spent investigating security on future product. Secondly, I think most here fail to understand the situation. Netpliances business model is not working, due to excessive hacking, this is a management problem. While the cause and ultimate fix will be technical, the approach for Netpliance is to understand (as management not hackers) what has gone wrong, why and what the least damaging fixes are.

The model used, to take a laptop, employ off the shelf parts, software, drivers and what not, clearly was an error. Fixes, such as no-USB, no IDE connectors built in, which wouldn't require board modifications (but would require minor production modification) would likely limit most hacks, yet this hasn't happened (yes, some would solder on new headers, some would solder on USB ports, but lets face it, it's tons easier to order a kit from Codeman, or cables to go, or digikey than to solder).

That a production modification hasn't been made, that manual clipping of IDE pins was actually done at one point, demonstrates a technical ignorance by Netpliance management. The filing they made in May shows only $300,000 (roughly) spent on R&D, this from a company which has close to a quarter billion capitalization (sp).

Until Netpliance understands what went wrong, and manages to aquire and deploy sufficient technical resources as are necessary to preclude hacks (or to greatly limit them), the only courses of action are to 1) accept ongoing and increasing losses (unacceptable), 2) design a non-Intel based unit (likely the long term fix, many (more than the Linux lovers would like) I-Openers are happy go lucky W98 machines at the moment), 3) Until the causes for loss are understood and a fix deployed to limit loss by increasing the front end cost of the units (which I believe has been done) and finally 4) To make some peace with the retail channel by fulfilling backorders even if it means several millions of dollars of losses (which I believe Netpliance has finally done).

The entire situation here is not a total loss for Netpliance. Exposure to many geeks, and exposure in the press have had value, Netpliance is undoubtedly investigating how to turn that value into profit. Harassing this newsgroup, is likely not only a waste of time for anyone at Netpliance capable of doing so, but is likely not along any of Netpliances economic and corporate interests. The straw man of someone working for NPLI and regularly harassing this board, is in my opinion a misunderstanding of how corporate management thinks.

07-06-2000 06:19:07

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) You're_Right
Just me has a good grasp of the situation. It is a management problem on the part of NPI.

Another "fix" which would be easy to do is to offer the NPI portal from any ISP, like I have heard AOL does. As others have commented, NPI is trying to serve a specialized niche -- just look at the age of the happy folks on their new web page. (I am over 50 myself, so no flames please.) They could easy set up a start page that looks like the I-Opener's screen with the various choices for shopping, e-mail, etc. Then, NPI customers could either use the stock I-Opener, a hacked I-O with a different O/S, or a regular PC. They could even offer I-O's with Linux and a hard drive with some free software like wordprocessing, etc. Or they could go to an ASP model and offer such software over the web.

NPI could also do what some of the cellphone companies do. Specifically, after a customer has had service for X months, they receive a rebate. Thus, there is no TOS and no penalty for cancelling, but if you keep the service long enough, you get something back. Obviously, there are many variations such as 1/2 price service for Y months after X months of service, etc.

Unfortunately for NPI shareholders, it does not look like management has been creative. The company seems to focus on short-term fixes rather than developing a good business model. On their current path, the best the shareholders may be able to hope for is that someone buys NPI out.

07-06-2000 07:05:03

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Tackhead
Justme: Thanks for an *excellent* commentary on the situation.

NPLI has screwed up in the past, and they're trying to make good, and they at least appear to be learning from their mistakes. Whether they succeed or not is up to the marketplace and NPLI's management. Only time will tell.

07-06-2000 12:15:32

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
It's so refreshing to hear the voice of reason. Quite a great deal has been done on this board for fun and education. This board is so far from dormant it awaits the next round of Internet appliances including I hope an upgraded i-opener. My dream unit is a DSL wireless home tablet with touch screen and hard drive (giga (sp) stick) storage.

There are still i-openers to hack and more good things coming this way.

07-06-2000 13:30:02

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Please leave bad_packet alone he means well and even when he has nothing to say he says it so well.
07-06-2000 19:36:45

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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Thanks Shadow, I think Randy is pretty awesome myself.

You, well what can one really expect from inbreeding?

07-07-2000 00:12:39

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Bad_packet please read before you post I was referring to justme but you don't even realize that no one agrees with your theory or point of view and even though to everyone's credit they are gentle with you you don't even know when you are being discounted. What is more amazing is that the first negative nasty thing comes from you.
07-07-2000 13:15:15

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Well, I've finally made it. Now *I'm* being spoofed... But not too well, I see. I don't usually employ run-on sentences.
07-07-2000 14:08:44

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
You can thank your new friend bad_packet. He will spoof you just to answer himself. Enjoy!

By the way your sentences may not be run on but you do over employ the comma. It tends to make your comments jarring and hard to read.

07-07-2000 15:56:56

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) luvlyhugz
Ok . . .. Let us all behave maturely and refrain from personal attacks!

I suppose we can still achieve persuasion without attacking the other party!

07-07-2000 16:36:07

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) ohwhatagoose
Are you trying to put all of us to sleep or just yourself?
07-07-2000 16:52:02

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Shadow, http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html
07-07-2000 17:33:42

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
You should take a close look at that link then look at your posts.

Maybe you can find your *clever* use of symbols. asswipe

07-08-2000 10:35:57

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) ohwhatagoose
Shadow, don't, you, know, how, to, talk, like, William, Shatner?

If you dangle your participial one more time I won't help you hack any more i-openers.

07-08-2000 10:42:15

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Shadow, that really should be "You should take a close look at that link, and then look at your posts." or maybe "You should take a close look at that link--then look at your posts."

I'll challenge you to quote one of my posts where I've used excessive commas.

07-08-2000 11:51:41

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Try to justify "--" in a sentence or for that matter * *.
You have no support for placing a comma in "You should take a close look at that link, and then look at your posts."
But you have a stick up your ass and know damn well that the comma in that case is arbitrary. Just continue to pose as a critic. So we know you are a lamer poser and asswipe. (Just between you and me we both know the previous sentence is correct. So, continue, like Captain, Kirk, in, the, way, you, talk. Oh yeah if you know who Murry Kempton was you could learn a thing or two about run on sentences but he won a Pulitzer and you are a hack.
07-08-2000 20:04:44

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Shadow, "--" is the commonly-accepted typewriter (and thus low-ASCII) stand-in for an em-dash. See http://www.orlandocreative.com/tips/aug99.htm for a short dissertation.

Enclosing words in "*" pairs is a commonly-accepted low-ASCII equivalent of italicizing.

If you had been around since TTY and/or BBS days, you might know such details.

If would actually read Strunk, still the standard for English style, you would learn that my correction of your sentence falls under case II.4 "Place a comma before and or but introducing an independent clause."

And in the sentence above, note the proper use of commas to enclose a parenthetic expression.

I would have accepted your sentence had you put an "and" between the clauses without a comma. But you used neither.

07-08-2000 21:14:23

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Please insert "you" as the second word in the first sentence of the fourth paragraph of my last posting.

In the Kempton excerpts at http://www.mediastudies.org/presswatch/kempton.html I see only proper English usage.

Sometimes people will overlook eccentricities of grammar and punctuation, in the case of e e cummings for example, if the ideas behind the writing are compelling enough. Sadly, the ideas behind your writing seem to fall short of that criterion.

I'll stop now. You started this exchange, Shadow, so I'll let you have the last, however impotent it may be, volley.

07-08-2000 21:22:09

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Oh, I can't resist one more...

Commas can be important to the meaning of a sentence. Their presence or absence does matter.

I might accidentally write "I mopped the floor, with Shadow" when I meant to write "I mopped the floor with Shadow."

*Now* I'll leave this be.

07-08-2000 21:31:31

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Listen you grammatically challenged piss ant. You asked for a challenge to your "proper" sentence structure and when I showed your errors you could not admit it like a man.
Once again show me where -- and ** is used in a proper sentence.
Try to admit that most of the commas you place are arbitrary at best and at worst make your posts read like dialog from William Shatner.
Try for once to finish what you start you coward
07-09-2000 05:16:02

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Oh I can't resist one more.
-- and ** are commonly accepted use twenty years ago gramps. Since when does TTY or ASCII jargon become commonly accepted in any world but yours grampa.

Next time you post try proof reading so you don't have to clean up like this.

>>Please insert "you" as the second word in the first sentence of the fourth paragraph of my last posting.

Way to go you old fart.

07-09-2000 05:31:18

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) beat
so the lamers and flamers beat this board? is that what you are saying?
07-09-2000 10:48:34

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) He's+No+Expert
Now Shadow is not only an expert on law and electronics but also language. NPIL has not beaten this board, quite the reverse. Shadow is still trying.
07-09-2000 11:02:17

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
That last post made no sense at all you must be great at parties with everyone laughing at you. To think in your own little world Netpliance was at your mercy- you little troll

Poor "beat" it's always amusing when you answer a question that someone may have asked 4 days ago a question no one cared about anyway. Way to keep current.

The only thing that failed here was the lame topic and Randy purporting to be a literary genius. (Yeah keep in mind bad-packedass that's the way you spell genius) Randy do yourself a favor and keep proof reading before you post.

Where oh where is law dog? Got his "bar card" in Texas I think that's the one that let's you drink on the train.

07-09-2000 11:25:33

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
Shadow, enough is enough. I apologize for goading you in the last couple of postings. I don't make a habit of criticizing people's writing style, but neither do I appreciate others' criticism of mine. You still haven't proven an instance of my punctuation being excessive, and at this point I don't care. I'll let you be if you let me be. For goodness' sake, I only pointed out that the spoofer didn't do a good job of imitating my writing style!

By the way, Randy is my real name and not a nick. If you'd like to throw stones at me offline you can send them to my personal email address, which is available at my website http://www.rickadee.net/~zephyrus/index.html . I don't have anything to hide, and I will take *constructive* criticism seriously.

By the way, "old fart" is a moniker I won't object to. I learned Fortran in the early '70s while in high school, sending in punch cards for a once-a-week batching. Graduted to our school's Teletype Model 33 teltype terminal hooked to a time-sharing IBM 370 at the Nebraska State Capitol while learning Basic. Have gone through Apple II, Mac and now PC. Was active in Fidonet before the Internet came along. Typed more term papers on a manual Royal typewriter than I care to imagine. You won't find any Java, frames, animation or other fancy stuff on my website, because I still believe in the Web primarily as a way to get information out to people with a minimum of fuss. This isn't a "look, Sonny" speech, but a "where I'm coming from" speech. I'm sure you're quite a decent guy. If we ever meet in person, I'll buy the first round of beers (assuming you're of legal age... )

07-09-2000 13:42:49

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) blank
Great restraint Randy! :)

Thanks for realizing that this thread was diverting from its main subject! Thanks for humbling yourself for a second; that is, you have finally responded maturely :)

07-09-2000 14:33:29

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Since you feel that your post is not condescending let me rise to the occasion. Even though your post is full of grammatical errors for the impersonal style we use here it is well above average.

As far as proving that your punctuation is excessive I have pointed out a number of times where it is arbitrary. Since not only do you use punctuation that need not be used but also some that is lost in time this is in itself excessive. But like you I feel that this has gone far enough.

Concerning this thread everything that needed to be addressed was done well by "justme" if you use zonealarm you know who he is.

If you want to know whom (yes it looks funny but it's correct) the real troll is on this board just look around at bad_packets continuing contribution.

07-09-2000 16:08:21

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
"Blank" you are an ass, Randy has always responded maturely. You on the other hand make very little sense. Most of your posts regardless of the name you make up are foolish nonsense.
07-09-2000 16:24:14

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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Shadow, you poor sop.

Thanks for providing us all with hours of entertainment. Its funny enough that NP continues to lie about the IO not being hackable without making the instataneous connection that you do the same.

So come now, just how much fun is it working in Texas? Hot?

07-09-2000 16:25:15

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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Just an FYI.

Here's a link to a guy who's gotten Win98 down to about 27MB. It also shows us how
'intelligent' Shadow/newman/newname/owhatagoose/Win98 really is, and his maturity level.

It is kinda strange that a man in his mid 30's would be able to regress so easily to the level of a preteen.

Oh well, guess all that stock stress does take its toll.

http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=technical&Post=1311&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=badpacket.96318542843178

07-09-2000 16:39:31

New Message!~~BBS BaTtLe~~! (modified 0 times) ~@@~
I think it is so funny how a helpful BBS can turn into a battle ground, 4 loosers...

I just think that the BBS was not put together as a past time. It was put together to help and be helped. And maybe talk about your new tweaks.... Owell, I just came by to look 4 some thing else to do to my IO,... Bye all

P.S.>>> O yea, and PlEaSe write back to me with some smart ass remarks that just prove my point, Cuz I wont be back to view it... lol

P.S.>>> O yea, and if some Looser wants to use the name (~@@~) to make my post look dumb go ahead, Cuz I wont be back to view it... lol

07-10-2000 00:35:44

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Thanks for proving my point about you being a troll.

When it comes to win98 you are getting your flames all confused.

07-10-2000 10:49:54

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) newman
To the moron with the sissy nick name- no one will spoof you to make you look stupid you've done a fine job all on your own. Love the AOL chat room style- you must be a hit with all the fat women online.

(We all know you will come back to look at your "gem")

07-10-2000 15:53:48

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) ----
Shadow, master of the run-on sentence, advising others on grammar?

Surely you jest, old bean!

07-10-2000 18:58:55

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) newman
I look at my "gem" all the time.
07-10-2000 19:00:57

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Randy
----, drop it, thank you very much. That was between Shadow and me and is done.
07-10-2000 23:55:01

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) NPLI Customer Svc
I actually work for Netpliance, and some of us really do read this board. It makes for great entertainment. On the other hand, I seriously doubt that there is any organized effort to comb through all of this day after day. First of all, there's nothing going on here that we don't already know about. Second, what would be gained from devoting, say, one or two or more employees to this task? So, for what it's worth, yeah, some of us read this board simply because it's entertaining.

-- One NPLI customer service guy

P.S. Those who predict our downfall are pretty shortsighted.

07-11-2000 14:44:13

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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LOL!!!

Uhh, thanks there Sparky ( I mean Shadow)....

Hey cubeicle boy, go take a look at your stock performance, and do a search on a term known as 'cashburn'. Then, maybe you'll look at NP's SEC filings, and its reported outlays and operating expenses.

When you do, you'll laugh, you'll cry...... then like NP, in 6-8 months you'll by on life support just hoping to be bought out by someone, anyone.

Have a nice life.

07-12-2000 22:09:17

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) lookin_but_not_lookn
yeah, and we all buy playboy for the articles, but that's just for entertainment. Really.
07-13-2000 06:38:35

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Bad_packass, you do have a problem. Everyone who disagrees with you is not me. Netpliance is not afraid of you and your scary "hacking" (ha ha) ability.
You have yet to post anything constructive. You live at home with your parents and don't even have an i-opener to hack.
You posted bad video driver information- pretended to be win98. You are the definition of lamer and troll.
Everyone is laughing at you. Man you must learn how to spell.
07-13-2000 13:48:09

New Message"hello Newman" (modified 0 times) ohwhatagoose
I take umbrage with your statement. I am not Shadow but sometimes I feel like newman "hello Jerry" "hello Newman".
07-13-2000 14:13:33

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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Shadow, I never really claimed to be an 31337 haxor like you. But, I do remember doing the phreaking, and BBSing the TAP files in the day. I'm just a network engineer with the time and money to play around.

PS. Anyone looking for a real stock to cash in on, consider working XOMA.

07-13-2000 22:27:23

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Foo  
I really hate to get involved in this flamewar, but...
Really, cant we all just get along?
We dont need flamewars...It makes us look like a bunch of immature 12 year olds, not like a group trying to get their money out of the internet appliance market.
Why dont we both try something, Shadow and Bad_packet. Dont post anything for the next two days. See if, due to the reduction of flames, legitimate business resumes. Really, this immaturity is startling.

And if you want to hate me for trying to speak reason, go ahead.
foo@foozone.dhs.org

07-14-2000 00:13:59

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
Foo, I'll take a flame war any day over the "can't we all get along crap"
If you look around there is some good things going on- not because of the flames but the flames fill up the dull times.
I have seen too many boards die out for lack of interest.
It's true that bad_packass is not very funny and can be lame in the "retort" department but he keeps stirring the pot.
If you haven't noticed Jack from BadFlash is working on the latest new version of the i-opener this Saturday.
Randy a very good flame-thrower himself is got a good heat sink thread going. I'm not sure what's going on with "win98's thread" but in-between the flames real things are happening.

Only a few have left because of the flames and they had little to nothing to contribute. (a funny flame is a contribution it keeps the interested interested) By the way not that many have left but have changed the nick names.

The only real casualty to the early wars was Fred+M... I missed it and Ken removed much of it I heard. I was told it got real nasty Fred was a great contributor I miss the guy if you get a chance find his I-opener page he's got led hacks and more there.

Hey bad-packass suck me in Macys window. For god sake pack-ass buy a spell checker.

07-14-2000 14:59:36

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Foo  
You DO realize that the flames are annoying?
I have to skip through the flames to read anything of interest...
People leaving isnt the only indication that it gets old....
07-14-2000 16:07:53

New MessageRE:NPLI has beaten this board? (modified 0 times) Shadow
You conduct yourself like some one gives a crap about what you think. You want nice and dry go to tech moderated. For all I care go shoot yourself I've seen nothing from you but complaints. Shove off when you actually do something I'll call someone who might give a crap.

I'm so happy I wasted time on you- go troll someplace else.

07-14-2000 16:54:13

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