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A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash.

New MessageA MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) ASPguy
That's right! I finally figured it out and want to share it with all ya!

A few days ago, after picking up a couple pre ordered io from circuit city, i started flashing them with the bbs tutorial on flashing v3 bioses using qnx from a hard drive.
And i had to use dolly since my home pc was running windows.

Anyhow, everythin wen't fine up to the point when i had to reboot after flashing the bios.
Since then, all i would get from both my io would is a black, unlit screen, and the hard drive wouldn't turn.

So I tried taking the bios chip out and letting it sit with it's cousin the battery for several minutes. Still, no go.

Good thing I had an extra V2 io that had it's bios flashed. I used this to hot flash the V3 bioses, then reinserted it back into the io. From then on, it's been sweet seeing windows boot up on my v3 io.

For all those who love to claim "it's the contacts" well ur right to a point.. that you got to insert the bioses all the way in as to when it click or whatever.

My assumption is that the v3 was modified in such a way that would make the bios flashing errored, that is why their bioses dont boot up before.

anyways.. hope that help ya!

and if anyone wants to talk and find more help come join us on the irc. do a search for the server but the channel is #i-opener-linux

06-07-2000 00:29:21

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) ohwhatagoose
I'll take that as the only type of apology you can produce but let's take this puppy one or two steps further.
You finally learned how to flash your bios- we saw your posts where you were told what to do and you didn't even know what checksum was.
You take out the battery for no reason other than it can't hurt and it can be used to muddy the waters.
You place the bios back and forth and it dawns on you that the sockets are cheep and suck that they are a big problem.
Now that you have recovered and dried your eyes you proclaim that you have "discovered" something to share....
WHY don't you admit that you screwed up your first round of bios flashing ran around proclaiming the sockets are not the problem because yours io's did not work and your bios were gooed in! What a stream of logic... got poor old milhouse jumping to conclusions that made him look like a fool.

I'll help you out a bit, when the newer versions of the i-opener came out the big question was were they still hackable- well codeman put up a post that is still good today "the only problem that is turning up is the poor seating of the bios chip"

With all your posturing and all your flailing around you have taken the long road to prove him right and you won't even tip your hat to the people who knew it to be true so in affect you have done nothing more than take an easy hack bumble around scare some people who needed guidance not guesses.

In closing you are not man enough to admit that you screwed up... a coward who will now run off to irc where poor newbies will think you know something. Well take milhouse with you if you can find him I hear he's using a new name now.

06-07-2000 15:52:53

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) Ohwhatagoose
While you are at it go clean up your threads like a man- don't leave the people who tried to help you in the dark and the thread where you acted like chicken little go back there and tell everyone how it was just your problem and not netpliance hackproofing the io's. And stop playing with your battery.
06-07-2000 16:52:30

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) Milhouse
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There were similar problems with users who replaced, rather than flashed their chips too. Not a flashing issue there.

When I and one other person, I think, removed our batteries, the chip was also pulled. It could have just been a contact problem and the battery removal was a coincidence since no one else really posted any success with it.

Since your io didn't boot until it was reseated, you still can't really say if it was the flash or not since the chip was pulled as well. The fact that it worked after the hot flash could be a coincidence.

Also, it may have been Duvell (can't remember, older post) who said that the chips should not be seated too far into the sockets. It was believed pushing the chips too far in actually caused some boot problems.

You should really, and I can't believe that I'm saying this, do as ohwhatagoose suggested and add something to clarify your previous thread regarding the boot issue.(Don't worry, crow tastes juuuuust
likechicken.)

p.s. Posting the irc chat script here is kinda lame.

"Hey, you win some, lose some and sometimes your just a pain in the *ss"

06-07-2000 19:55:57

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) ASPguy
It's quite simple. Use deduction.

I had 2 V3,3b,4 whatever it's called pick up a week ago.

Brought it home, flashed the bios chip using the qnx on a hard drive tutorial on the bbs.
All went well except when i had to reboot after the bios flash, the screen wouldn't light up at all, and the hard drive no longer spun. I then gave it another shot on my 2nd v3..io. same exact problem.

now, the steps prior to me booting after the bios flash went fine. there were no indications that errors existed.

I then tried different methods which included taking the chip and battery out and letting it sit. Still no go.

My last resort was to use my V2, and qnxflash the v3..bad bios in there. but before i did that. i did try booting up the V2 with the v3 bios chip. didn't work. same problem. blank screen. after flashing my bios chips, everything was fine and dandy.

could it have been the original bios flash went bad? more likely so. could it have been because of the image or what i did? no. it's too much of a coincidence of everythign going fine up to the bios reboot as well as happening on two io. I followed the famous bios flash bbs tutorial that everyone had.

So a conclusion was that the latest iopener made the bios flash a no go.

u got to flash the bios in another machine.

Like i said, it was never a contact issue for me. I simply stated in the previous post that the only part of it as a contact issue was that the bios had to be in the socket.. like no kidding.

-ASPguy

always availabe in the iopener irc

06-07-2000 20:15:21

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) So......
I'm assuming then that one can still flash a new V2, V3, V3b, V4, V4b bio's chip in an Abit BH-6 Motherboard with the old V-1 bio's image and then place in the new i-Opener.
06-07-2000 22:17:52

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) DELETE THIS THREAD
Is anyone going to get a DVM?
NP is probably counting on people not having any skill or tools, since their market is old folks, thus all you lazy wannabe hackers not knowing how to use simple tools is helping them.
Maybe you should apply and see if they will put you on the payroll!
Ha ha on you, now you have to learn some real hacking skills!
(the point was you probably had no connection on the programming pin, but it booted up so having no clue you assumed you had a clue and plastered your crap all over the forum trying to look like you had a clue but didn't)
06-08-2000 05:24:59

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) HOTROD
Got new I-O 3 weeks ago. Has a win 200 CPU, pins not cut, but bios chip was glued in. While removing bios chip I cracked the socket. From this BBS I used the TIE WRAP tip on the socket. Got a nonflashable bois chip from Jack R. and installed it. Powered up and got black screen. Without touching the bois chip I removed the battery for 10 mins and tried power up again. This time screen lit up fine and a CTL-ALT-HOME gave me the BIOS SET UP screen. Now on to a HD installation. Thanks to all on this BBS for the help.
06-08-2000 05:40:51

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) Ohwhatagoose
I think you just made milhouse smile for the first time in week- looks like I may have some crow to eat myself...
Just swear on your Mothers life that while you were waiting on the battery you did not touch the bios chip once. If you even just pressed on it once to see if it was seated while you waited for your battery to drain your whole assumption is invalid, I hope you understand that no one wants to make people wave chickens above their heads to hack an io.
06-08-2000 14:08:38

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) Spartacus
BIOS chip not making proper contact could have corrupted the CMOS setup data. This could explain why AFTER reseating the BIOS chip and still getting a failure, pulling the battery worked as a final step in this case.
06-08-2000 15:13:30

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) board looker
Someone want to look at their new board and tell us if the programming pin TRACE is cut? NP may be getting sneaky, they do know about QNX flash. How would you stop it?
I would look for a cut mark because it has to be something easily done in production and would have to be big enough to see so you could make sure you did it or should I say your low paid employee did his job.
06-09-2000 08:08:57

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) Black Screen
Did anyone find a cut trace?
07-03-2000 02:56:09

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) No+Problem
Last week, I rec'd an IO from NPI. Torx screws, Rise CPU, no goop on bios, etc.

I put in a V1 bios and hot swapped it with a spare chip. Flashed the space chip to V1 and it booted. Same with another spare chip.

In short, I don't think they have cut any traces. They probably wouldn't b/c that would prevent them from "remotely flashing" the bios.

07-03-2000 06:49:28

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) redwood
ok, my first IO, using 2 HD's, one with dolly, reflashed bios, then the other, win98, is working Fine....
now, a second IO, using the Same drives... NO GO... when I first got to the # ./app/stop-apps ... it then asked for password, and user... I rebooted to try to get back to where I was familar... NOthing...
so, have I messed something up by stopping the program???
I'm kinda Chicken to remove the bios... the other one was SO easy... I'd sure like any suggestions to try....
also, please explain, Exactly HOW you hot swap and copy the bios? thanks for any useful replies...
07-05-2000 13:26:54

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) -orz-
redwood:
you're there!

When you kill the programs with /app/stop-apps , you get a login prompt. login as root, with password osiw$6.4 and you're in. Then go to the /app/ztest directory and run qnxflash with ./qnxflash -w v2_bios_256k.bin or whatever the bios image is called.

-orz-

07-10-2000 03:16:08

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) redwood
thanks orz... I guess I needed the login/password... ok, dollyed fine, runs win98 ok... but... I have some Strange problem...I've been pulling the battery out, _then I can boot ok...otherwise... I get a black screen ... so, I'm working on that... gotta be less of a problem than fryin the MB, :) gawd what an _ugly solder job...but, it worked!
07-14-2000 19:28:53

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) Iflybyu77
I've hotswapped 5 IO's off my original, and have never had a problem. I think it's all those fat-fingered people out there that can't handle delicate things. (Probably shouldn't touch a woman either!)

The key is to wiggle/pry from either side just a fraction so that both sides are as level with the other as possible, thus reducing the amount of stress on the contacts. Putting back in the chip is just getting it in straight and without too much force.

Maybe I'm just good with women. ??

07-14-2000 20:46:26

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) redwood
ok, please help....
I have 2nd IO running win98 fine... kind of..
_If I pull the battery out for a few minutes.... then Everything startsup fine, win98 runs, etc...., and, I can do a soft reboot... BUT, if I shut down... and re-start... I just get the black screen...

Bios is gooped, I have NOT touched it... and, I'd rather not, from what I've read here... but, is this the ONLY way to fix mine now?

bios was reflashed with Dolly, HD with win98 running fine... AFTER the battery is pulled...but, I can't start it a second time, without pulling the batter out...
I'm clueless, but I'd appreciate any useful answers, thanks

07-15-2000 11:07:28

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) redwood
ok, update, ... its running fine, with NO battery...I can shutdown.. AS LONG AS I UNPLUG IT, otherwise, it seems to be getting power, and, if I do a warm boot, I get nothing but a black screen...
Has anybody had this problem? any suggestions? thanks for any useful replies..
07-16-2000 13:23:14

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) hold it
hold the power button in for a few seconds, otherwise sleep mode
07-16-2000 13:44:57

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) redwood
I hold it, until I hear a click, and the shutdown... is is possible I could have any bios setting wrong? I feel so special, :), prolly Hundreds of these mods done, and only I have this problem.... :(
07-16-2000 14:44:12

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) redwood
sorry to bring this back up..but, I can't believe I'm the _only one with this problem... IO is running win98 FINE, with NO battery, and I MUST UNplug, when I shutdown... otherwise, if I reboot, I get black screen... thanks for any useful ideas, :)
07-18-2000 07:32:56

New MessageRE:A MUST READ: Fix to V3, V3b, V4, V4b or whatever you call it Black Screen after bios flash. (modified 0 times) trader15@hotmail.com
Well, I've got a Iopener which has a blank screen after I switch around the bios that was working with the one from BadFlash. I'm looking to sell it off . It comes together with a USB ethernet, 4 port USB powered HUB , 1 USB Web cam. Imod2 kit . I'm looking to sell the whole thingy at above $200, I paid more than 200+++ for it. Socket has been previously replaced by codeman (for $45) and was working before I start switching the bios around. Email me at trader15@hotmail.com if you are interested.
07-18-2000 15:41:03

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