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Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened?
Wondering why I-Openers were suddenly plentiful at Circuit City

New MessageAnyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) justme
Hi,
I can understand, CC got a slew of backordered I-Openers, this was something Netpliance likely had to do to make peace with them (to demonstrate an ongoing viability). Ok, it makes some sense Netpliance would accept some loss to get CC squared away... however it appears for about a week now, I-Openers have been available in some quantity at many Circuit City stores, and if not in stock obtainable within a day or two.

Does anyone know why so many "spare" units have been floating about? Information from anyone with a real clue appreciated.

07-12-2000 23:31:29

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) JMS-
They're planning to gank everyone for the full price of the IOP. The new sticker on the top says that you agree to use the service, or pay full price, and agree to the transfer of your information to NPLI for billing purposes.

Just another round of Let's Catch the Dirty Hackers.

07-12-2000 23:58:57

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) cyrixone
I don't know about anyone else but I parked my car in a bad part of town and my I-Openers were stolen... What a pity. ;)
07-13-2000 01:25:00

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) Cody
Well here is the deal. I bought my I-Opener and never got around to opening it and then sold it to a friend, and I paid with cash at CC, what the hell can they do, I never signed anything, and the CC representative never even told me about a TOS.
07-13-2000 05:46:34

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) They+Are+SOL
Yet another example of incompetence by Netpliance. The stickers were probably put on all I/O's when they shipped and were intended to be used with the TOS. Indeed, at least one poster reported one Circuit City store would not sell the I/O without the TOS. Could be that in the TOS / no-TOS hassels between pre-order customers, Circuit City and Netpliance that they never got their signals straight and that most CC stores sell to anyone without requiring a TOS. They probably intended to fill existing orders w/o a TOS but to require one on new sales. Or maybe they are just dumping the current batch of I/O's?

Others have pointed out that without a TOS, (or some other document in writing signed by the customer at the time of sale) the stickers probably mean nothing. You can even read the sticker to say that IF you open an account you will be stuck for 3 months service. This is supported by the information on the CC web page which describes internet service as an "option" and discloses a three month commitment requirement BUT NOT AS A CONDITION OF THE SALE FROM CIRCUIT CITY.

One poster reported calling Netpliance and was told that it is up to the purchaser to sign up and that Circuit does not disclose purchaser info to them. Even if they were to pass along the customer's name and address as per the sticker, nothing is said about credit card information. So, how does Netpliance charge the customer for the service?

Others have pointed out that by its own terms, the sticker requirements only come into effect when the seal is broken. How is Netpliance to know when or if this happens (unless you let the I/O call home)? What about people who figured at $99 it might make a good collectable and intend not to open it in hopes that it will be worth something a few years from now? What about those who don't open before Circuit City's return time runs? What about people who decided that it would make a nice Christmas gift for someone and plan to give it to the recipient with the seal intact. Is the recipient now bound by the terms of the sticker? I doubt it unless they sign up for service.

In short, Netpliance is SOL except for customers who let the I/O call home and who sign up for service. Again they could have avoided this if they had done some planning.

07-13-2000 07:19:39

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) -will
Anyone know the situation with i-openers in New York- Long Island? Thanks -Will
07-13-2000 13:59:04

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) chrisp
-will

I know that I ordered mine on 4/16 from CompUsa in Hauppauge and it just came in the other day.
I haven't had a chance to pick it up yet so I don't know what the deal with the TOS is, but they never called to tell me about the "product change" like other CUSA's did. We'll see how it goes soon...

07-13-2000 15:26:37

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) h2oboxer
I bought two in Bay Shore around 07/04.
No questions asked.
07-13-2000 17:57:31

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) Iflybyu77
My brilliant thought would be to open the side of the box, rather than the top or bottom. I paid w/ cash, hence I'm not traceable. I felt great cutting the side of the box open.. no guilt. :)
07-13-2000 21:33:27

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
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Not to rain on anyones parade, but opening the box without cutting the sticker really won't absolve one from the implied acceptance of the contract.

But, as most of you haven't actually signed a TOS, you really have nothing to worry about.
Also, doubt NP has the balls to really go after people who haven't signed one either as its a little too gray....

Just a technicality, but if it makes you feel better, do it. :)

07-13-2000 22:22:43

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) No_Worry
Imagine the number of consumer complaints Circuit City and Netpliance are going to get if they try to "enforce" the sticker language.

I found out that in my state (California) it is illegal to condition a discount ($99 price) upon the happening of an event after the sale. Netpliance's language on the seal (about breaking it and agreeing to pay for an account for 90 days) to avoid a price of $499 seems to fit this. If I get a letter from Netpliance about the I-Opener I bought, I will definitely file a complaint with the state.

07-13-2000 22:22:44

New MessageRE:Anyone with knowlege of what the heck happened? (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
A legitimate scenario: Someone could be buying the unit and not opening the box at all, in the hope that the supply of these units at $99 will dry up and the price will go up (i.e. the 'collectible' buyer). How is Netpliance going distinguish between the hackers and the collectible buyers? Neither is going to sign up for service. In short, that sticker might as well have been non-existent.
07-13-2000 23:06:53

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