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I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup
Need a secondary computer with bit more expandability

New MessageI-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) eva_unit_00
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I currently have a modded I-opener running at default specs (Rise CPU, 32MB) but need something a bit more capable for home network. Normally I dislike all-integrated systems. However, as this will be a secondary home computer, it does not need fancy specs or upgrade capability. I am considering
1) book PC as seen at ebay here
or
2) an integrated micro atx setup as seen on ebay here

Please help me as I am looking at the following criteria/specs
1) I have a spare celeron CPU, 128 SDRAM DIMM, and a 3.5 HDD (all of these won't fit in the I-opener, and I-opener equivalent replacements are quite pricey).
2) PCI/ISA expandability is not necessary, but would be nice.
3) I'm trying to stay at $140-170 for MB with sound, video, ethernet, and case/FDD.
4) need something stable enough to play semi-recent network games and do word processing.
5) no ISP rebate allowed (I have cheap isp already)

Any suggestions as which one I should go with or other cheap options? I appreciate any suggestions that you all may have.

07-22-2000 22:56:48

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) -pyr-
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are you going for just small or do you want all the features you mentioned? If so, I can give you some tips on building your own system. since you already have the most expensive items you can build a pretty good system for about 200$. Ive built something like 15 computers and one of the last ones I built was only 550$ the specs on it were as follows:
366celeron overclocked to 566 (same performance as a Pentium3 at 550)
64mb
13gb
TNT2 video card
a high quality motherboard
ethernet/modem/cdrom/floppy

email me and I can give you the basics on what youd need, remove the obvious from my address to reach me
NOSPAMaj933@tcnet.org

07-23-2000 00:04:26

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) ttn1
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I recently purchased the book pc from www.acnt.com . I am very pleased with the price/performance. It has everything I needed built in and it came with keyboard,mouse,cdrom and speakers. I have installed a dvd player and am currently using it as a mp3 and dvd player in my home entertainment center. I also have installed a cordless keyboard which has improved ease of use immensely.

Good luck on your search. Also, I believe my book pc came with linux drivers for everything. I haven't tried linux on it yet. I will when a good dvd player shows up for linux.

07-25-2000 06:09:34

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) Zogg
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I just did exactly the same thing, as I wanted to set up a new home server that was small and quiet. I bought a BookPC from http://www.directron.com and put in the Celeron 300A that was running at 527MHz in my game PC and extra memory and HD that I had laying around. I loaded Win2K Workstation on it and it runs great. It is fairly quiet, and you must be near it to hear the fan so I am pleased. BTW, I used to run NT4.0 server, but WS supports dial-up, basic FTP, file sharing, and runs my ISP sharing program Sygate, so I went with it and am very pleased.

The BookPC motherboard uses the Intel 810 chipset, which is a pretty solid chipset and works nicely for this application. I, too, always build my PC's and have always avoided the integrated motherboards, but for a home server the built-in 2D video and sound are fine. I am pleased with the performance, but I wish I could overclock it more. There are no adjustments for the cpu core voltage, but there are some jumpers I'm trying to identify. So, at the standard voltage, 100MHz FSB wouldn't boot, 83MHz worked fine but the Davicom ethernet chip didn't work. So I'm running at 75MHz FSB, cpu at 338MHz, and everything works perfectly.

I highly recommend the BookPC, and the size just can't be beat. I put it on a shelf in my computer hutch over the desk, and it only takes up half the shelf and only about 4 inches vertically. Try THAT with a Micro ATX.

07-25-2000 08:31:15

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) Zogg
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Shoot, I wish I had found http://www.acnt.com before I bought my BookPC. I could have saved $20 plus sales tax. @#%$&* Alta Vista!
07-25-2000 08:34:30

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) ttn1
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http://www.acnt.com also carries a socket 7 version. I am running a k6-2 500. Right now I could get that cheaper than a celeron.
07-25-2000 12:21:11

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) -pyr-
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Hmm.. the book PC sounds kinda nice for the size, but still he could build a way better system for the money since he has the most expensive parts already
07-25-2000 18:43:14

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) -pyr-
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http://store.tekramusa.com/shop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=2&sku=220
there is an 810 board with integrated sound and video for 29$. that is equivilant to what is in the bookPC. Also, it supports overclocking, and the 366 celerons OC fantastically to 566.
a case for about 50$ (an extremely good case, one that I have used to build about 10 computers with) the Enlight 7237 w/250W PSU which you should be able to pick up locally for a good price, otherwise I can show you where to buy from
cdrom/floppy - pick one up cheap on ebay.
Ethernet? you can get a cheap card for under 5$, same with a modem.
07-25-2000 18:48:30

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) Zogg
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Pyr

I totally agree that for the money you can do better building your own. Since he mentioned the BookPC and micro ATX, I figured he was looking for something small like I was. I couldn't find ANY case for a Baby AT or micro ATX motherboard that comes close to being as small as the BookPC. However, as you point out you can save $50 and get a better performing system piecing it together.

07-26-2000 12:42:49

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) -pyr-
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yeah it is really nice looking for its size, but performance wise it really leaves a lot to be desired. Always a trade off of course.
07-26-2000 14:37:19

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) osupernick
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i thought you could put a fast processor in it. like an 800 mhz or something
07-27-2000 10:55:27

New MessageRE:I-opener replacement: Book PC vs. micro ATX setup (modified 0 times) -pyr-
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sure you can put a fast celeron in it but why bother? you can drop a c366 and overclock it to 550 really easily with the other board. overall, much cheaper.
07-27-2000 15:08:22

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