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FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) pattsy Profile Cindy, Customer Care, confirmed the fine but couldn't tell me what the amount of the fine was? Does anyone know? 09-20-2000 10:05:46

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile hoooo!hooo! whoo! ftc finally fined them for screwing with customers's orders and the stupid tos! -goodbye netapliance's profit then we can buy out of production i-opener for cheep! :) 09-20-2000 21:29:04

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) Randy Profile This morning I telephone the Federal Trade Commission Consumer Response Center and requested details regarding: 1) any consumer complaints lodged against Netpliance, Inc. during year 2000 2) any previous FTC fines or actions against Netpliance, Inc. The very polite woman at the FTC instructed me to fax the request to their Freedom of Information Act officer and promised a response within 20 days. I'm very interested in seeing if indeed actions have been taken and will post the details here. I'll also post a summary of the consumer complaints as well. Randy 09-21-2000 06:51:52

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil Profile | Email Wrong attitude, vwbug19. It's the general immature "Let's kill Netpliance!!" attitude like that that has made me decide to *NOT* release the CD-ROM bootable BIOS version to the public. (Yes, such a BIOS exists.) Releasing that version would make the IOpener too valuable. 09-21-2000 13:32:48

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) ASPguy Profile | Email What does your 'cd-rom bootable bios' do? what's is it about it that makes it valueable? -aspguy 09-21-2000 15:19:23

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) ASPguy Profile | Email If your program helps me, and if i can help others. i am willing to purchase your work from you. 09-21-2000 15:19:55

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Wild_Pencil....Being able to boot to a cdrom, would for certain, make the I-Opener more useful/valuable, would make it super easy to install operating systems, would be perfect for recovery and many other things. I'm certain Badflash could sell quite a few new chips if this capacity was available. You do a service to no-one, if you keep it secret. 09-21-2000 17:29:25

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile FWIW.....In case some readers of this BBS are not familiar with machines that can boot to a cdrom....here's what you could do with your I-Opener (I know this to be true because I have done it on a Websurfer, which can boot to a cdrom). You hook up a hard drive and a slave cdrom, just like I have in front of me, put the windows 98cdrom in the cdrom drive and boot up to the cd. It formats the drive, and installs Windows98 with no other steps...super easy. It would save you a whole lot of trouble. 09-21-2000 18:27:15

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) starfish Profile > Wrong attitude, > attitude like that that has made me decide to *NOT* release the > CD-ROM bootable BIOS version to the public. (Yes, such a BIOS exists.) > Releasing that version would make the IOpener too valuable. While this BIOS would make the I-Opener More Valuable to it's Owners, I don't think it would Encourage New Owers. Either You Hack or You Don't. Taking a GOD Like Attitude Can't Protect Netapiance from themselves !!! They Live or Die on their Own. You are just Delaying the Release of this BIOS. It will find it's way into the Wild ! 09-21-2000 18:47:06

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) justme Profile Hi Starfish, Well, while I'd like to agree that this stuff would one day make it out, I have yet to obtain a "open" freeware copy of the V5 Iopener hack which badflash is selling (and which I believe was developed in discussions over this board at no cost to badflash) ... of course a CD ROM version would likely be worth paying for If anyone does have a copy of the V5 BIOS (or better yet a CD ROM bootable I-Opener BIOS), please do point me toward it. My temporary email address is iobioswanted@hotmail.com I'd also be happy to verify (but not redistribute) a CD ROM bootable bios (wild pencil if you do have such a bios, you can review my post history to verify my non-hostility to netpliance). However either a V5 bios image or a CD ROM bootable image would be greatly appreciated Thanks 09-22-2000 08:12:02

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) wiggles Profile Wild Pencil does not have a special bios. However, he has an inferiority complex, a chip on his shoulder, and a small weenie. 09-22-2000 15:57:17

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) BadFlash Profile | Email Hardware1, I think wiggles has stepped over the line here. We went down this path once before. Lets not go there again. Anyone that thinks that Wild Pencil should turn over his intellectual propery just because he has it should find a nation that shares his belief system. This isn't one of them. I have no doubts at all he has what he says he has. It is his and he can do what he wants with it. If it is too hard for you to pull off the hard drive and copy the files you want onto another computer, how can you call yourself a hacker? Besides saving about 15 minutes, what good is booting from a CDROM? This board is for the exchange of technical ideas, not for exchange of personal attacks. 09-22-2000 18:53:45

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Jack.....If the I-Opener had a floppy to boot from, booting to a cdrom would be of marginal value....but it doesn't. Should a virus take down your system, and this can happen at any time now-days, a bootable device can save your butt. I for one, cannot remove the hard drive from my V2, put it in another computer, format the thing, reinstall all the files, reassemble the I-Opener....all in 15 minutes. You're talking several hours here for most people. And after you've done this operation once, the second time is boring...not hacking. A bootable cdrom cannot be affected by a virus, by a hard crash, or by any other method I know about, short of breaking it. It is the ultimate back-up device.....particularly in the case of the I-Opener. I'm curious....why do you suspect Wild_Pencil has this new BIOS? Do you know something we don't? 09-23-2000 02:38:36

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) Turbo3 Profile ckbone: Check the fourth post from the top by Wild_Pencil. (For what its worth, I agree with BadFlash's post.) 09-23-2000 07:44:13

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) ckbone Profile Turbo3....I certainly read the post.....but where is the proof that it is true? I suppose if you don't have an IDE cdrom working with your I-Opener, having the ability to boot from one, wouldn't mean anything. I do however, and it would be valuable to me, maybe to others. 09-23-2000 08:47:30

RE:FTC Fines Netpliance (modified 0 times) BadFlash Profile | Email I blew away the sandisk, formatted it as a Win98 recovery disk, put LL3,Part.exe and the 4 in 1 drivers, etc on it. Once you put a 2nd IDE device on your system it is effectly hidden from any virus. If the system crashed, just unhook the CD, boot from the sandisk, reformat the hard drive. You can then use LL3 to copy the files via the parallel port. Takes longer than opening the box, but it is safer. If all that happens is you crash the disk or get eaten by a virus, I would be really amazed if it took more than an hour to open the machine, move the drive & set it up again. Beyond being cool, I still don't see a real need. It would be nice, but that is about it. This is the second time, remember. If you want it, you will probably need to do it the same way Wild Pencil did. Nobody showed him how or gave it to him wrapped up in a bow. I know how hard it is to debug and slice one of these things. I can't do it (yet). You want it, offer him something he wants. Pissing him off sure won't do it. 09-23-2000 09:51:07

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