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Running Win98 setup always freezes around 16-20% complete

New MessageWin98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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I would appreciate any help anyone can give. I have spent the last 3 months trying to get this to work, reading every post (ok, not every one, but nearly) on this BBS. I have tried to do this myself, but am at a loss and need help.

I have a v1 iOpener, has the "Nothing but 'net" screen, original bios.

Here is what I have done. On a desktop computer, disconnect all hds, connect a 12.5 mm IBM TravelStar using a converter, start the desktop computer via Win98 startup floppy w/win98 CD in drive, fdisk the HD, fomat using c:/s, copy win98 dir onto the drive, then disconnect, install into iOpener, at dos prompt, enter win98\setup, setup begins. When it finally reaches between 16-20% complete, it will hang and report various errors. Sometimes it just freezes, sometimes reports a SUWIN error (krnl.386) sometimes says there is a keyboard.dll problem, etc. What am I doing wrong? Is there a bios setting I need to change? I have searched this BBS daily trying to locate a fix, but to no avail. I would really appreciate any help. Thank you so very much.

09-23-2000 18:26:26

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) ASPguy
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How did u get the boot prompt to and also how did u get the hard drive to put up to a win98 setup using the iopener? because it doesn't have a floppy drive, i've always thought you would have to get win98 installed on the desktop them move it over to the iopener.
09-24-2000 00:04:30

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) ckbone
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On the surface it sounds like you did everything right and should have no problems with a W98 install. As far as BIOS settings go, if your hard drive is recognized correctly, no other changes from the default should be needed. Since it boots to DOS...so far, so good. Here's how I set my drive up in another computer, similar to the way you did. After DOS was installed, I made sure it would reboot to DOS correctly in computer #1. After that I changed the IDE cables around so it was a master on the secondary IDE. I then rebooted to Win98 on computer #1, the laptop hard drive came up as another drive letter. I then dragged the Win98 CAB files to the laptop drive, also the driver folder(probably un-necessary). I also put the video driver file, the drivers for my USB zip disk, and a few other files, on the drive....you'll need a way to enter more files later. Then I installed the laptop drive in the I-Opener. Using a ps2 splitter from Codeman, a standard keyboard and mouse, I booted to the setup screen, had the BIOS find the hard drive...probably un-necessary....hard drive setting is Auto...slave none. I then rebooted to DOS, changed to the setup folder( cd Win98), typed setup, hit enter. After that everything went normal. It's hard to say what is your problem....maybe your splitter is to blame....some splitters just won't work right. During the setup, if win98 has a problem recognizing a keyboard, it will stop. Keep trying...it will work this way.
09-24-2000 03:58:46

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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The last couple of times I have tried to install now, it has given me the following error message:
"SUWIN caused a general protection fault in KRNL.386.exe"

Is there the possibility that the Win98 CD I have is bad? What is KRNL.386? I have searched Microsoft's site to no avail.

Thanks for your continuing help.

09-24-2000 12:19:05

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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OK. Am at a loss now. Just went and purchased another copy of Win98SE, ran fdisk, format, etc. Copied win98 dir to hd, placed in v1 iOpener, started setup. Right after asking for the product id, received another error. SUWIN has caused a General Protection Fault in setupx.dll. Do I have a hardware problem? Microsoft's website suggests altering several bios settings. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q224/8/36.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0

Anyone have any suggestions and or experiences?

Thanks!

09-25-2000 11:33:03

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Are you doing this install with the stock keyboard? Try changing it.....use a Codeman splitter for the ps2 port.....we know that splitter works, others don't. Try resetting the BIOS settings with the machine off...unplugged.....by inserting a paper clip thru the small hole by the printer port. There is a reset switch behind the hole. Then try rebooting without doing any BIOS changes. It should reboot to DOS, and install Win98 using default settings. So far, unless you attempt board modifications, this has been a basically trouble-free computer, with few problems in a stock configuration.
09-25-2000 15:19:55

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) vailr
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Set up Win98 while attached with adapter to your desktop machine. After Windows is bootable, open regedit and delete HKLM/Enum & power off. Hook up HD to IO, and Windows will now detect new mboard & devices. Setup goes faster done this way, due to the desktop's faster CPU. (Don't use this method for Win2000).
09-25-2000 18:35:38

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) redwood
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I have win98 upgrade, so I put all the win98 cab files on the HD, but, I also had to put the win95 cab files on, cuz, it asks for proof of win95 during install... my question... what can I get Rid of now? I would like to leave the min on, for any necessary Reinstalls.... thanks
09-25-2000 20:26:15

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Preacher....If you completely install Win98 in another computer, then transfer the drive to the I-Opener, it might work. On some computers it will go into an endless loop of finding new hardware. A "clean install" is far superior.....in these cases, however, you do what you have to do. There is no reason you should not be able to do the complete install from the I-Opener.

Redwood...after your install of Win98, you can completely remove all the cab files of 98 and 95. However, unless you have access to the cab files some other way than off the hard drive, the next time you change anything you will need the cab files again.....did you ever get your cdrom working?

09-26-2000 03:38:26

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) friar
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Preacher, I had the same problem, same error message. Unfortunately I don't remember EXACTLY what I did, but I remember that I reformatted and tried the Win98SE install 3 times before I had success. On the last try (successful) I was using another keyboard, not the IO KB but I don't know if that had anything to do with it. I thought one of my cab files was corrupt so I actually put the Win98SE cab files in 3 places on my hard drive so I knew they'd be OK! Keep trying, I eventually got it (whew!), you will too.
09-26-2000 10:19:44

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) redwood
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ckbone, no on the cdrom...yet... but, I was able to reflash my bios, V5, to get sound... I have usb speakers, so I really wanted it to get the mic working... nice to have small sucesses... I have mixed results with the working cdrom, while trying to play mp3 files from it...loading programs is fine, but, sometimes the mp3 play well, other times it stalls... trying to fix 2 machines for my daughters rooms... and, I think HEAT is my next problem to conquere... I'd like the silence of the heatsink...but, I don't think they run very long without over heating that way....
09-26-2000 21:02:04

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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In my experience (Win98 First Edition), copying the CDROM's WIN98 directory onto a hard-drive partition would SILENTLY FAIL if you perform the copy operation under Win98 (Both DOS-Prompt mode and GUI Mode). (I got similar error messages to what you're seeing.)

This was repeatable behavior on my machine. Doing the copy under Linux or Win95, oddly enough, was successful.

I just shrugged it off, thinking that either I had a flaky connection (probably), or Microsoft has some copy protection scheme in place (less likely, but who knows?) Wouldn't hurt to try booting off a Win95 floppy to perform the copy operation. Worked for me anyways. :o)

Hope this helps,
-WP

09-27-2000 01:25:08

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) redwood
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I had sucess on one unit, installing on my desktop computer..then Pulling the HD during the _first reboot.... that allowed the system to only recognize the Iopener hardware...
09-27-2000 08:49:46

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) Cristina
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when I installed Win98 2nd ed on my 1st ed i-Opener I set the bios to read none for the slave drive. I had no problems. Last night after reading your thread i re enabled the slave drive in the bios and started getting similar errors during the windows bootup process. the probem went away after disableing the slave again. Try this. GOOD LUCK!!
TINA
09-28-2000 10:31:04

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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Tina:

Where exactly did you disable the SanDisk? I have "C only" selected in the bios already. Did you do something further to disable it?

09-28-2000 15:06:02

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) redwood
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preacher, if you run autodetect in the bios, if it finds yer sandisk, say NO, ONLY enable your HD that you want it to find...
09-28-2000 19:52:16

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) Cristina2
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Hey Preacher it's TINA:
First I went into the first option of the bios where you can set the hd parameters and set the Master to Auto and the slave to NONE.
Then I went into the auto detect section and let the bios identify my hard drive. I selected ( Y ). and when it detected the next drive(the sandisk (16meg)) I selected ( N ) then hit esc, then F10 and saved my changes. Having the bootup sequence to C only is correct as the hard drive being the primary master would be seen by the bios as C. Make sure that you prepared your hard drive correctly by putting it in as the master drive in your pc when you fdisked it and making the primary partition active. One bit of advice, if you havent already done so make a logical partition on you hard drive that will hold the Windows cab files and video drivers so if you ever have to reformat the drive you will still have the cab files seperate and intact. Good Luck =)
09-29-2000 16:55:10

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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Got it working! Thanks everyone for your help! I do have one further question, though. I used the process that vailr had suggested, installed in another machine and then deleted HKLM/Enum in regedit.

Now, the hd will boot the IO into Win98, but when I try to install the new drivers (audio, video, Linksys usb, etc) I am unable to do so, I keep getting a registry error, unable to create hinf, etc.

You all have been such a help so far - any further ideas?

PS Thanks for the help Tina, I was forgetting to set the slave to "None". Dooh!

09-29-2000 20:00:03

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) vailr
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RegEdit your Windows setup path: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup. In right pane, double-click SourcePath, enter correct path on the IO's drive, in the dialog box. Example: d:\Win98. Press "enter", & close RegEdit. Now when Windows needs setup files, it will know where to look.
09-29-2000 21:28:48

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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Still no dice. I edited the registry according to vailr, and things did go smoother, but am still receiving a registry error saying there is an entry referring to a program o longer loaded (vgatrd.vxd I assume something to do with my video??), and am still unable to install any of the various drivers. Each fails with it's own message. CBI7 drivers act like they install, but at the end it reports it was unable to create a hinf file. The 4in1 drivers say there is a registry error, etc. I owe this group a lot already. I almost there, if anyone can help me the rest of the way, you would have my gratitude!!!!!
09-30-2000 18:54:29

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) Cristina2
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I may be wrong but in the past when I have upgraded mother boards on my machines I put the drive in the new computer and go into safe mode. In safe mode I remove the main components IE...drive controlers,sound,video and when I reboot I let windows detect my new configuration. It is a pain in the b-tt waiting and rebooting 3-10 times but it works. Registry editing is also a good way of doing it (((if you are familiar with doing it ))) but if you have never done it before, (I'm not saying that you havent done it before) anyways what I am trying to say is , unless you feel 300% confident in registry editing, DONT DO IT. At this point I would start from scratch now that you know to disable the Sandisk. At least you will know that everything went smoothly.
09-30-2000 22:41:36

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Preacher.....Most of the people on this board have installed W98 directly from the hard drive, doing the complete install from the I-Opener. I've done it this way on three different versions, at least 10 times, without any install problems like you've been having. I keep trying to think what is different about your install.....

Was your V1 ever attached to a phone jack before your mods? It can dial home and apparently update the OS and can flash the BIOS, all without your knowing what's happening. Badflash can sell you a 12v flashed BIOS chip which cannot be modified while in the I-Opener.

Your keyboard setup can be your problem...the stock keyboard is known to cause setup problems and stalls. The splitter available from Codeman will work with most keyboards and mice. Just reverse the keyboard/mouse connections when you use this splitter.

Since you are using a large enough hard drive, try copying the entire Win98 cd to the root directory on a second partition of the hard drive....I know there are some problems with partial copies of the Win98 cd. Then do the install...you can remove all the un-needed files later.

Trying to do registry edits to repair a faulty/incomplete Win98 install, is very difficult and not usually successful unless you are a expert at this.

One more thing to try: Since you have Win98 working, and the cab files are still on the hard drive, try doing a complete reinstall over your existing install.....this might fix everything.......

10-01-2000 06:05:38

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) vailr
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Check for single devices that were installed twice: Start in F8/Safe Mode. Check in Device Manager for any device listed twice. If found, delete both instances and reboot in normal Windows to re-recognize as a single device. Which VIA 4in1 version are you using? The 4.25 is latest.
10-01-2000 09:44:14

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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ckbone,

Just a minor correction...

I don't think anyone has reported an I-Opener that has flash-upgraded the BIOS by calling home. At most, calling home would improve the security of QNX so that nobody can get a Root-Shell. Older hacks, especially QNXFlash, required a root-shell in order to operate.

10-01-2000 16:15:00

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Wild_Pencil.....You may be right about that, but having read many posts by Badflash, I came to my conclusion using his info. He sells two types of chips...one is 12v, which he says prevents BIOS chip changes during an un-intentional upgrade by Net-pliance, and also prevents a virus from affecting the BIOS chip. The 5v BIOS chips can be affected...but allow flashing in the I-Opener. In any case, no one is really sure about all the changes that could occur, should the I-Opener call home. Strange behavior during a Win98 install is a possible result. Don't let your I-Opener call home....if you intend to use Win98.
10-01-2000 17:15:50

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Strange behavior in Win98 would NOT be a side-effect of having the I-Opener call home.

Calling home affects the QNX distribution, and can *ONLY* be done if the I-Opener is running the stock QNX Software. QNX cannot read Win98 (Fat32) partitions without an additional driver, so there's no possible way for Win98 to get corrupted through a call-home operation.

The only way this would affect Win98 (and any other Non-QNX O/S) is if the Call Home does a flash-upgrade of the BIOS. The upgraded BIOS would prevent you from booting the Hard-Drive at all. Nobody has ever reported a BIOS Upgrade through the flashing attempt. Only an unconfirmed mention of this capability (and still a stretch of his actual statement) was made by a "Disgruntled Ex-Employee" of Netpliance back around April.

It stands to reason that if such a Flash utility were available in QNX, one of the original Hackers would've found it and figured out how to make it work for us. Such a flasher would have to be a custom Application written for Netpliance since it's a very hardware-specific function. Instead, QNXFlash was born as the solution to the BIOS problem. (Of course, the flasher could be uploaded during the call-home -- in which case nobody has seen it because Netpliance never sent it out)

Remember that BadFlash's original claims were made at at time when there was a lot of uncertainty about what Netpliance could do. This was a time when people started freaking out when the RootShell was fixed (qnxcrack wouldn't work anymore). People wanted an unflashable BIOS, and BadFlash delivered. Everyone was happy.

It's true that a 12v BIOS part will prevent any and all unintentional flashing, but the "threat" of a flashing operation by an IOpener Calling Home is a bit exaggerated in my opinion. I'd be more worried about people changing the Boot-Logo and writing a faulty image -- without a known working backup chip just in case.

10-06-2000 13:40:52

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Flash upgrades over the net are no longer a problem. This is one of the big reasons I made no real attempt to find another source of 28F020 chips. There was a time that it happened, but not since the V4's started coming out. I have several customers that were using external 3.5" drives that turned on the machine with the drive not connected and went to luch or something. The machine booted off the sandisk, called home, and wouldn't read the drive after that. They all reported the new I-OPENER splash screen. This was around May of this year.

I ran a V4 with a V1, then a patched V5 using the NPLI service just to be sure. It isn't happeneing now.

10-07-2000 15:22:30

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) jonnywalker
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When I did my install of Win98SE, I was having the same problem. After about two hours of swearing at it, I put a heatsink that I had laying around on the WinChip. The install went just fine after that.
11-16-2000 00:52:42

New MessageRE:Win98 Install Problems (modified 0 times) preacher
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!
It was the crazy heatsink. I have been doing everything in the world, as you can tell if you have read this thread. 3 hd's, 2 different copies of Win98SE, tried it everywas in the world. And it was the heatsink. WOW! And it works beautifully! (Except for the sound, but that's a minor detail)

Thanks everyone for your help.

Now where can I get a WebPlayer..........

11-26-2000 20:19:23

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