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Demand for brand-new I-Openers
Is there a demand

New MessageDemand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) miamilonny
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Just wondering... I can get my hands on thousands of brand-new I-openers (ver 2001), but have concerns they won't sell as "parts" for the general hacker community.

Help! Is there a demand?

Email me to let me know.


/tech or trash?
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/lonnypaul@urgentmail.com
03-17-2001 06:28:43

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) miamilonny
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Sorry, forgot to include some pertinent information:

a) They'll sell for $99
b) They are 2001 version
c) They'll be sold by a major computer-discount mail-order company that's been in business for over 10 years and many of you may already buy components from them (so it's legit)

So, how will demand be?


/tech or trash?
/tech - of course!
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03-17-2001 06:49:11

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) kesh314
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There won't be a demand--you're worried about this?!?! Codeman's post about IOs for $99 got to be quite long with people saying yes (although with stipulations). However, then we found out that they would be $125 and they could be anything from V1s to V5s--with no guarantees.

If you can guarantee these to be V5 IOpeners (model # "NP1000" / "i-opener 2001 membership pak) and $99 (not more--there is that magic $100 barrier most people won't go over) then yes, I would be interested in 2-3. In other words, these were the last model release by Netpliance and do *not* have the on-board Yamaha sound chip (that's what makes them a V5 and not a V4 or V4b).

Kevin

03-17-2001 06:59:23

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) robohead
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If it's legit put me down for one or email me @ robohead@mail.com
03-17-2001 07:44:05

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) miamilonny
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Kevin,

Thanks for the post - but yes, I have to be concerned regarding the demand. If we take them, we have to take 4, yes four thousand. That's my worry.


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03-17-2001 07:58:52

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Steve
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boy, netpliance is really screwing over codeman and the place that's selling the
refurbs for $125. right after they dump the refurbs on them they make a deal for
4,000 *brand new* IO's for a selling price of $99.
03-17-2001 08:07:25

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) miamilonny
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Are we sure netpliance is doing the screwing?

Bigger companies have better purchasing power.


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03-17-2001 08:22:31

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) justme
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I cannot imagine having trouble selling them at $99, heck I'd buy more

Let us know when they're for sale (assuming it's a well rated by bizrate or resellerratings site I'd order a few, the problem will likely be running out of stock quickly:-o)

03-17-2001 08:32:50

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Yes, i would like a 2001 v5 for $99 please. Oh wait, you dont got em' yet? Okay,well I want one!

I think that echoes the demand on this board for these. Trust me.

03-17-2001 08:35:05

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) justme
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Hi,
Demand will exceed a 4K supply, provided the dealer accepts credit cards or cod's and is well rated by resellerratings or bizrate. For $99 a brand new unit, I'd likely buy 3 or 4 of them.

Other things to sell with them (to improve your profit) would be

1) A security torx screwdriver (size 8 I believe, but double check the website).
2) I-Opener IDE cable (the inverted cable at www.c a b l e s n m o r.com for example).
3) A K62+ or K63+ processor
4) Any dirt cheap 2GB or larger 9.5mm or thinner notebook drive (dirt cheap would be like $49, but likely up to $69)
5) USB hub

All the above will easily sell with I-Openers, likely hundredsof torx screwdrivers, almost 1 IDE cable per I-Opener, and easily 50-70% will order a K62+ or K63+ processor assuming they are priced under $45 and $60 respectively. Bundling these would help move I-Openers and also make a ton of people very happy!

Regards

03-17-2001 08:41:08

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) buyplenty
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@ $99/each, I'm good for two or three.
03-17-2001 09:18:16

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Skypilot
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Just take all of the names of people from Codeman's thread and paste them here. I don't know too many people who would rather pay $125 plus shipping for a used/refurbished unknown version Iopener vs. $99 (plus shipping) for a new V5 one.

I'd say you'll sell the first 1,000 of them to board members here in a matter of a couple of weeks.


Skypilot - "Keep the blue side up"
03-17-2001 09:39:24

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) mooner
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I would go for 1, to test, if workable for a "mini lab" concept i have of 15 computers for an elementary school (where no floppy is needed)I would need at least 2 labs worth.

I have to agree with many of the comments on this board about a price barrier, $125 go's far beyond that barrier. When you figure all the costs up, its just that much closer to buying a clone and a used monitor.

Go for it, you wont have any trouble.

D

03-17-2001 10:46:26

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) eddavis
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As I stated in the other thread on this, I'd be in for 2 or 3.

And Moooner, I like your idea, use the ability to hack an io for a good purpose...

03-17-2001 11:49:47

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) kesh314
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Well, I did a Word/Excel tally of how many people expressed interest in Codeman's original $99 thread. I counted a "couple" and a "few" as 2 and everything else as 1, except where people explicitly said they wanted more (there were a few 3s).

The total units requested was 80. And that value does not include the posts in this thread asking to be included.

I know that pales in comparison to the 4000 you requested, but that may be your initial purchase order volume. Not bad to start.

If you were at all capable of lowering the cost per unit (don't know how--this is just a suggestion), then I think you might see the majority of 1s become 2s--or do volume discounting. For example, buy 10, get one 50% off (I'm trying to be practical here, so that's why the 11th wouldn't exactly be free--then again, a bakers dozen may help move'em!)

In any event, if these are truly V5s in good working order, I don't think you'll have too much trouble selling them--although it's not like they'll all be gone in a month.

Justme's idea of bundling them with options is important to note.
1)Team of with Jack at Badflash, or any other source you can find, and bundle the the IDE cable *AND* the re-flashed BIOS--this is VERY important, as it lowers the barrier to getting newbies in (and the volume of newbie willing to purchase a single unit at $99 with this stuff bundled will exceed the others wanting 1, 2 or 3+ units).

2)The Torx *security* bit (#8) would be great, but to be practical, it would be better to find a source of philips head screws and replace all the damned Torx's than bundle a bit (since it adds cost).

By do all this, the IOs are set. One can basically unscrew the case, plug their HD and go (in addition to any other hacks they want to do).

As for bundling a K6-2+ or K6-3+ most likely wouldn't work in volume because this requires soldering, etc. which would end up costing you, and in the end us (the consumers) too much. If we *really* want to do that, then somebody else on this board should set up a small business to that end.

Mooner's post about a mini-lab is fascinating. This is actually a fabulous idea. I myself might check out doing this for some of my connections. In bulk, this may translate into an order of magnatude more orders--e.g. going from 80 to 800.

Anyway, there's the current state of affairs for this.

Kevin

03-17-2001 15:24:37

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) dpbrooks
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Ill say that im in for a couple too. Just look at the response soo far from this thread. "If you buy them they will sell". I too have a vision. My vision is of an automated house with an I-opener in every room. Some of them will have touch screens and be built into the wall, while others will be free standing on desks. And for $99 a piece i shall begin my vision now.
We also see numerous newbees show up here who are interested in getting into the craze. So another thought would be to sell some as a package (ie. iopener, cable, hard drive, and K6 processor) However i would also sell all individually as well.
The only way you wouldnt sell all 4k would be to make us order, pay and then wait over 4 months for the product without any updates. (sorry codeman but many of us are still a bit upset).
So wait no longer, buy the 4K, and sit back as you make lots of money.
03-17-2001 15:40:06

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) deadbolt
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I am interested in one at that price.

As outlined in this thread:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=whatever&Post=1731&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

If you can offer quantity discounts I would be interested in many more.

Also I would like to find out about shipping to Vancouver.

03-17-2001 15:55:23

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) chodsgraphx
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Count me in for at least 2 and I know alot of other people who might be interested that dont have a I-opener yet!
03-17-2001 16:31:13

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) kesh314
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Well, I spoke with one of my contacts about a mini-lab of computers--IOpeners in this case. Do not take this as a confirmed order, but I may be in for an additional 10 to 15, in addition to the 2 or 3 I may want for myself.

Again, that's not a confirmed order. I will be demoing my hacked IO next week to the people involved, and in all practicality, I may only be able to confirm this in 2-3 more weeks because a budget would have to be drafted, submitted and approved.

Now I've got to look for a cheap USB networking solution--does anybody have any ideas? I'm not talking about a USB->Ethernet adapter, but true USB->USB networking.

Kevin

03-17-2001 18:37:52

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) mooner
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Kevin, Lets compair notes, would you have a USB to Ethernet 'gateway' (if there is such an animal, maybe 1 IO with both) for LAN (internet) access, again if needed.

Naturally being a school district, budgets are small. I make all decisions on technology purchases for the district, and if this works, and I have no reason to think it wont, it could GREATLY stretch our budget a long way.

I have been toying with this idea for about 2 months now, keeping my eye open for just the right deals here and there, and trying to come up with a SOLID cost of doing this.

miamilonny - If this deal fails, would you be willing to share your source with me (us), maybe I could get them to cut a school district a deal on 50 or so.

But, im in for a few for sure.


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03-17-2001 20:52:54

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) kesh314
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Mooner, email me at kesh314 at yahoo dot com. I may speak w/another district or two about this.

Miamilonny:If we involve school districts, you could see your supply of 4000 IOs go much quicker than you anticipated. Why would school districts be interested in these IOs? Because compared to the cost of a regular computer w/a CRT, video card, sound card, CD/DVD drive, large 3.5" HD, and everything else, the IOs still work out to be much much more cost effective--even after the cost of a reflashed BIOS, IDE cable *and* 2.5" laptop HD are factored in. In fact, if the HD doesn't have to be that large, e.g. < 2GB, you can pick them up on dutch eBay auctions for a song. The total cost of the system could be kept between $150 (conservative) to $250 (excessive IMO).

Regarding the gateway, I would envision all the IO hooked together via a USB network, with a single (regular) server computer acting as a gateway to the internet using ICS and broadband. The last issue I forsee districts being concerned about is filtering. I'm not a fan of censoring, but it must be addressed.

Kevin

03-17-2001 21:15:35

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Skypilot
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I also agree that doing a "bundle" with say cable, 2gb drive, and flashed BIOS would be best. I consult for a couple of School Districts and I think they too would be interested. I may be interested in 10-20 also if they price was right.

I would guess the easiest and least expensive way to get that qty up and going would be to do the hack where you mill out the heatsink and mount the drive. Then all you need is the cable, no fan or any other mods. If you were doing a mass qty of them, they could be done very cheaply and in no time. An extra added advantage for School Districts is: Guess what - they can't get to the BIOS without a different keyboard.

So lets see, if we do a qty purchase and get a 10% discount we have:

Iopener $90
Cable $9
BIOS $9
2gb Hard Drive $40
Mill/Cut Heatsink $10
64mb Memory $25
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$183
2 hrs Labor $40
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$223 Total

For a flat screen 200mhz computer that is small and sexy. Not bad I say.


Skypilot - "Keep the blue side up"
03-17-2001 23:30:35

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) justme
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kesh314,
V5 I-Openers don't need any soldering to install a K6-2+ or K6-3+, just set the switches to 2.0V.
03-17-2001 23:58:06

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) JV12
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I'd definately be in for 2-3 of the new ones @$99each.
03-18-2001 00:07:09

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) benji
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I want two at that price...
I simply can't come up with a quaint or witty comment for a signiture.
03-18-2001 00:58:11

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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I'd probably be in for 2-3, maybe more. I'm also thinking along the lines of dpbrooks, and having them free-standing or wall mounted in rooms as networked home automation controllers for all my X-10 stuff in the house.

B'Dog

03-18-2001 08:11:25

New Messagemooner: (modified 0 times) thefooishone
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Just get usb ethernet adaptors. Keep a sharp watch for them at circuit city, I bought 2 Dlink USB Ethernet Adaptors (DSB-650) for 5 dollars after rebate, 25 before I think. That cheap enough for you?
03-18-2001 10:34:33

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) kesh314
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Thefooishome:I'll keep an eye on that. I bet they have some sort of limit--but then again, breaking limits is what the IO hack was all about!

Justme:I thought I still have the solder the resistor onto Q16, otherwise I'll fry my CPU. BTW, is there any difference between using the 2+ vs. the 3+ (aside from the L2 cache)? Any more advice you have to offer will be greatfully accepted.

Kevin

03-18-2001 11:03:20

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) justme
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kesh314,
Hi, soldering for the K6+ is required on V5 I-Openers only to push them past 200 Mhz. Plugging in a K6-3+ radically improves the I-Openers feel and performance without any mods. One of my k6-3+'s runs W2K at 300Mhz without any solder mod, the other 2 required a mod to run at 300.

My suggestion was to offer the K6 chips as they can be inserted without any mods to a V5 I-Opener (other than setting the DIP switches to reduce the voltage to the chip) as it's a major improvement that many at time of purchase would just as soon bundle to avoid paying seperate shipping costs.

It is my opinion that virtually every I-Opener purchased for hacking winds up with the need for an IDE cable, hard drive, requires the back opened (thus my suggestion for a TORX SECURITY screwdriver, I'd happily pay $9.95 in a bundle, I think most would and they are probably dirt cheap in any quantity). After IDE cable, hard drive and TORX driver it occurred to me that processors, USB hubs, maybe even memory (though memory is tough to inventory profitably right now, thus it's omission from my list) were things folks often report adding to their I-Opener.

Also I've had very good luck without any mounting kit installing 9.5mm hard drives inside my I-Openers,which is why I suggested a 9.5mm size sans mounting kit. Finally many seem split on fan vs non-fan and which fan exactly works best, thus I omitted mentioning a fan (its also a very inexpensive likely low profit part of questionable value to the initial poster).

Hope this clarified my post

03-18-2001 11:51:19

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) TheBarron
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I'd be in for at least one, probably several more. And I would be interested in the K6-2+/K6-3+ if you had them cheaper than they're found elsewhere :)

Oh, and the security torx!

:)

03-18-2001 13:50:00

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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I'm interested in a pair. I don't need or want the extras, as I've already got a lab full of IO Hacking supplies. Must be new in unopened box.

wild_pencil on yahoo "dot" com

03-18-2001 14:06:20

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Before everyone goes crazy: NetPliance says they are only vending refurbished iOs. If these came from NetPliance, they are customer returns that have been checked, cleaned, and reboxed in new boxes. Thats straight from the top. Do you really think the refurbs would be on the open market for more than the price of brand new...not bloody likely.
03-18-2001 14:46:51

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) BubbaDog56
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r_fl_z,

What became of the new units that NetPliance pulled back from Circuit City and CompUSA? As I remember from the thread, they were supposedly being shipped to a warehouse in Texas (maybe Austin, home of NetPliance). You know they're not going to chuck 'em in a dumpster. Hey, maybe 02U2 and I can get a really biiig truck and start d-divin' around Austin? Gas up the Peterbilt, Ma....

B'Dog

03-18-2001 18:04:37

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) will
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If you don't go nuts with the shipping- $15 is all UPS would want... You should be ok- hell I'd take at least 2
03-18-2001 18:40:26

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Bubbadog Haha! I'll get my mack revved up and mett yall' down there! D-diving with a truck...awesome!
03-18-2001 20:36:44

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) kesh314
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Miamilonny:How much do you project shipping would be per unit? Would you bundle units to save on shipping (not sure if that's possible, but figured I'd ask)?

Kevin

03-18-2001 21:46:18

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Bdog:

I was told that what new units were inhouse were being held to respond to existing customer's needs.

I'm not saying that these are definitely not new, or that they are not worth $99. However I do know that the refurbs are available in volume for less than $75. For someone to sell a 'new' one for $99 they cannot be paying above $75...very likely much less. NP would not sell the NIBs for the refurb price, I know because I want NIBs for my needs and have been in talks with NP for some time.

There are a lot of refurb iOs hitting the market now, through very competitive sources. I would't be in a hurry to buy now unless you really need one. Three months from now you'll likely be able to buy them in quantity of one for well under $75. One man's opinion.

03-19-2001 03:07:07

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) spincycle
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Count me in for 3. My V1 has gotta go
03-19-2001 11:25:02

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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My principal confirmed my previous statement with NP, these are refurbs.
03-19-2001 13:44:52

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) mooner
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r_fl_z,

If you have sources less then $125 for these units please share. Some of us are working on concepts to make these school use computers.

Thanks

Dave

03-19-2001 13:48:57

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Mooner:

Email me.

03-20-2001 12:29:12

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) benji
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I tried to order one of the supposed 20,000 @ $125 and got an email saying thet were sold out. So if you're really goig to sell them, please let me know.
03-21-2001 16:05:54

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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It's not that they are really sold out. They haven't got them yet. It's easier to say sold out than to continously answer emails fending off orders. Be patient, you'll get your iOs soon.
03-21-2001 17:51:26

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) tutor
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I just got off the phone with Earth computer. They told me my order was cancelled, and all orders are being cancelled. The units they were promised were sold to another company. They are not expecting to receive any units period. They were "outbid" for the refurbished units. Does anybody know who outbid Earth Computer? This sucks.
03-22-2001 10:32:20

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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I betcha $20 it was TigerDirect. Just a "hunch"
03-22-2001 11:42:47

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) btenison
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Well, I was also one of those ppl who "ordered" from Earth. Haven't received the IOs and haven't heard from them at all. Been away on business, and haven't had the opportunity to call them, but if there are some being offered for $99, put me down for at least 2, maybe 3.

Bruce

03-22-2001 19:00:50

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Texman
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Mooner...these IOs would make great Citrix clients. Citrix can save you alot of money. E-mail me if you want more info.
03-22-2001 22:46:50

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) mooner
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TEXMAN... whats your email, not in your profile.

mooner

03-23-2001 09:55:03

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) deadbolt
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I'm curious to hear about using Citrix on I/O's as well..could we move the topic to the I/O tech area
03-23-2001 14:44:58

New MessagePlease add me to the list of interested parties (modified 0 times) leighklotz
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klotz@pahv.xerox.com
03-23-2001 17:59:42

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) zyxw
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On 3/17 miamilonny indicated he could aquire 4,000 of these... for resale at $99... well ok... certainly there has been a ton of interest displayed... I'd ask miamilonny to reply again offering more information as to where and when these units will be available
03-23-2001 21:28:56

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Ragnar
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Incluld me, please.
03-24-2001 09:00:57

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) deadbolt
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Miamilonny,
It has been more than 10 days since you opened this thread. That's a whole lifecycle for some WEB appliances.

Please let us know what is going on with your selling these units. We still have unanswered questions such as: are they really version 5's, new and not refurbs.


David
03-27-2001 03:16:22

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Since no ones talking, allow me to inform the community whats going on. The final disposition of the remaining iOs is still in progress. Final offers are in, and NP is deliberating on which one(s) to accept. The current schedule is to have the decisions made by the end of this month. You may expect these units to be available shortly thereafter.
03-28-2001 02:52:41

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) btenison
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Are you talking the end of March? Or April? Thanks!!!
03-28-2001 10:33:55

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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My understanding is March.
03-28-2001 14:28:35

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) deadbolt
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Thanks for filling in the gaps.
David
03-29-2001 00:15:14

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Ryan
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What's the latest update on these I-openers? Is it going to go through?
04-07-2001 08:23:20

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) friar
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Money is tight right now, but I would buy at least one working V5 for $99, and maybe more. I-Openers would still be good to give to grandparents or similar, or kitchen/living room computing! Yes, of course, yes!!!
04-07-2001 20:33:33

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Skypilot
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Well I guess it's not going to be the end of March. I just hope now it's the end of April.
Skypilot - "Keep the blue side up"
04-08-2001 00:42:54

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Cespool
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If these do become available count me in for one. I got a V1 about a year ago and would love to relive the fun I had hacking it.

Rick

04-08-2001 08:57:47

New MessageRE:Demand for brand-new I-Openers (modified 0 times) Texman
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Mooner;

Sorry for the delay in responding. My e-mail addy is eteixeira01@hotmail.com.

Evrybody else;

I'm confused about all this talk of NP trying to do a mass dump of all leftover IOs. I was in Target (Turlock, CA) yesterday and saw a whole bunch of brand new IO's for $209.00.

04-08-2001 11:40:01

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