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New MessageFree Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Some months back, there was a long thread on screen rotation, Pivot software, and related stuff. I even made a pivoting mount for my V2. The pivot software works fine on an I-Opener.....only they want $50 for a licensed copy with no nag screens. I never bought it. Today I found a version of this software free for download. It works fine on a Rage Pro 128 video card. But I can't get it to work on my I-Opener....it crashes windows on boot-up. You can un-install it in the safe mode if you can't get it to work. I'm going to try some things.... Here's the link:

http://www.jdresearch.com/i810.htm

03-22-2001 19:07:04

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) Kudzu
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Nice find ckbone!

On the install, have you tried this?

Download the Pivot 5.01 upgrade from Portrait. After you install the pivot software the 1st time, and the relevant upgrade from the updates folder, install the 5.01 upgrade you downloaded from Portrait & reboot.

If it's still not working, I'd look in the direction of the video drivers. I seem to remember there was one available from the 9x update site that wasn't compatible with pivot.


Disclaimer:

The upgrades were only tested with my PC for functionality, my iopener currently being in a disassembled for upgrade state on my projects table.

But if all goes well, maybe it will work.

Kudzu

03-22-2001 22:09:43

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Apparently, this version of the Pivot software 5.0, is version 4.72(I think). It is licensed...no nag screens, no time limits. Included in the driver package is an update folder with a Win98 update. Unfortunately, it will only install if the other software is installed, and up-and-running. It will not install in the safe mode. I'm not sure the Pivot 5.01 update will install over the 4.72 version before the manditory reboot to enable the 4.72. Also you take a big risk doing this....it may not be able to be undone in the safe mode. I may try to use an earlier version of the I-Opener video driver....maybe the Version4.72(called WinPortrait) will work on it.

If anyone has not seen this Pivot 5.0 software working on an I-Opener...it's worth a try. The effect of a vertical screen is impressive. Here's a link to some of my pictures of the Portrait setup on my I-Opener:

http://photos.yahoo.com/ckbone63123

03-23-2001 04:26:57

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) eddavis
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So ckbone, was this a hunt or did you stumble across it and say, "Heyyyy, I remember this topic...."

Either way, EXCELLENT FIND. I've been wanting to set this up. Thanks!

03-23-2001 08:22:58

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Well....I've been dealing with the nag screens on Version5.0 for four months. I happen to like a vertical browser look. I found this link browsing E-Bay searching for a Flat-screen monitor at a reasonable price. I guess it was just luck. Still have to get it working....sent an E-Mail to Pivot this morn. Maybe they'll give me some help....He.he.he
03-23-2001 11:35:10

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I still haven't figured this all out....Here's what I know so far: If you can get the licensed version 4.72 to install on your machine, it can be successfully updated to the latest version 5.01 using the 5.01 update file available off the Pivot Displays website. The link to it is above. You then have a licensed version 5.01....no nag screens, to time-outs. Pretty neat.... It's working like this on a machine using a Rage Pro 128 card.

However, since it won't install on my I-Opener, I tried the method suggested by the Pivot Tech support: "To answer your question regarding installation, you should uninstall the
version you are using first. Install the upgrade. When installing the
upgrade a window will pop up asking you to insert your original CD to verify
version. Once verified the installer will continue". Sounded pretty easy, but when I tried doing it this way (I burned the 4.72 version on a cdrom), the installer said my version could not be upgraded using the 5.01 upgrade. This is hard to figure, since it upgraded perfectly on my Desktop machine. Too bad I don't have a rotating monitor for it.

Well anyway, it's back to the drawing board. What I think I need to do, is to get Windows to boot somehow with the 4.72 software installed, but disabled enough to allow windows to boot normally. Then the upgrade may work. The 5.01 software should run ok on the I-Opener, since the 5.0 version does. If anyone has any ideas in this matter....please feel free to try it or tell me about it. Thanks, ckbone

03-23-2001 19:27:45

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I need to add one important thing to anyone using any version of the Pivot software....If you have Pivot installed, remove it completely before attempting to change video drivers. After a video driver change, you can then re-install Pivot. I learned this the hard way....Thank God for Drive Image 4.0. Saved me again.....
03-24-2001 06:22:02

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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The free Pivot version won't work with any I-Opener video driver I could find. I guess this version is completely in-compatable with the Trident chip. After multiple crashes, and restores in the safe mode I succeeded in completely screwing up Win98se. I was forced to do a complete system restore using an image I had on the hard drive. This process takes about 1/2 hour....a whole lot easier than removing the hard drive. So, be forwarned.....have a working back-up plan if you're going to try this software.
03-25-2001 06:26:05

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) shaxs
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After installing the software, I rebooted and all these wierd symbols and colors poped onto my screen. I said, "oh how pretty!" I was being very facetious. Anyways, I then get the message, windows protection error. Please restart your computer. Hah. Happened everytime now. Oh well :P
-Jason
03-27-2001 10:00:48

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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If you can boot-up in the safe mode, you can probably remove the whole program using add/remove programs in control panel. This worked for me several times before everything crashed.
03-27-2001 11:07:01

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) eddavis
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ckbone,
I haven't gotten around to trying it yet, but would it be possible to see what files are in the upgrade, what's in the original, and if they could be patched together to create a clean install with the newer version?
03-27-2001 16:01:21

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I had the same idea...tried several different builds....no luck. Perhaps someone else might be successful with this approach.
03-27-2001 17:17:32

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) shaxs
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Yeha I uninstaleld the software and reisntalled my vid drivers. No problemo.....
03-27-2001 19:07:31

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) V4IO
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chkbone: An excellent job! I just went to see the picture and amd amazed. I thought, hm ..., an IO starts to look like an e-Book and may be it can be converted as a e-book with a better display. After all, it has (+)/(-) switches for volume adjustment and can bemodified as a PgUp/PgDn switches like the ones seen on an e-book...
03-28-2001 20:56:11

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Hey thanks....If you want to see this working on your own I-Opener, download Pivot 5.0 demo from the Pivot Displays website. Just flip the I-Opener on it's side....works perfect like this. This demo version never times out....you just get nag screens frequently after 30 days. It still works the same. I'm curious if anyone else made a pivoting mount for an I-Opener...wasn't really that hard.
03-31-2001 06:06:29

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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The above link to get that free Pivot software will let you download ver. 4.22, which doesn't allow you to upgrade using the Pivot upgrade (at least I haven't discovered how to trick it into working). But, on a good note, the 4.22 version works great on my desktop computer. I am going to try it on my IO ver. 3B but haven't gotten around to it yet.
On one of the jdresearch pages they show that they added the new rotation software on 3/17/01 to support Win 2000, so maybe it used to be ver. 4.72(upgradable) and now it's 4.22(non-upgradable)? (I'm guessing that's the reason). Who knows, maybe this version would work on the IO??? I'll have to try it tonight.
Regardless, thanks Ckbone!!!
03-31-2001 12:41:22

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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As I said earlier this free version works on my computer with an ATI Rage Pro 128 card. Here's how I got it to upgrade to the Pivot 5.01: I went into msconfig and unchecked the reference to WinPortrait. I then rebooted...WinPortrait did not load up. After that I ran the 5.01 update, which went perfectly. Upon reboot I had a licensed version of the latest Pivot 5.01. Pretty neat...
03-31-2001 17:04:10

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Well...here's at least a partial solution to nag screens, pop-up windows, and the like. It costs $15, but it can be used on a variety of annoying windows.....It works on the Pivot 5.0 nag screen. Try it for 30 days free.

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10106-100-5405349.html?tag=st.dl.10106-106-1.lst-0-1.5405349

04-01-2001 13:39:13

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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I use something very similar, but free! It's called AUTOACT and it's one of the PC Magazine free utilities. Go to http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/utilities/ and search for "autoact" and you'll find it. One of my favorite utilities.
04-02-2001 19:35:06

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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This is kinda-sorta vaguely related to the Pivot/Portrait strategy. I enjoy using Photoshop to 'roll my own' backgrounds and startup screens, but I was wondering if any of you knew of a gallery or other repository of vertical wallpaper or desktop themes? I found this one wallpaper: http://www.nikodite.com/showoff/page4.htm
hehehehe
04-09-2001 10:49:18

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Ho, Ho, Ho....Hey Friar, did you get a pivoting mount for your I-opener? Got pictures?
04-09-2001 12:27:48

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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I like the mount that you made for your IO, and I'm considering something similar. I had another idea too that I've been toying with. Now don't laugh... You know those small stands that people use to display commemorative plates? There is a type that is folding, and I was thinking if I just ditched the normal IO base and used one of those easel stands that I could use the IO in whatever orientation I want. Not only would it take very little effort, but it would all still fit in my laptop bag like it does now so I can cart it back and forth to work. And, it would only cost about $4!
All I've really done (aside from thinking, which doesn't count!) is made a custom portrait oriented mount for a regular desktop monitor at home. It consists of an 8" (approx.) length of 2 X 4, 2 large screws and washers. New ventilation on the monitor is handled by a louvered air conditioner vent. You probably could skip seeing the pics .
04-09-2001 22:31:00

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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I hope the previous post didn't leave you with the impression that I 'mickey-mouse' things. The appellation of 'cheap-skate' is more appropriate! lol It doesn't look as bad as all that. I had time this morning and modified my main desktop monitor to be portrait oriented, using 2 rubber feet and a friction bracket. It's a much better design than the other monitor, which was like a proof-of-concept! (I have 5 monitors here at home, lots of computer junk)
Anyhow, I had a much better idea for my I-Opener, and if it works I will post pictures. The idea is this: You know how some picture frames that you buy can be either oriented 8X10 or 10X8, because the fold out arm in back can be used either way? I'm thinking of making an arm like that out of something sturdy. Obviously the important factor is to make it stable enough so that it doesn't fall over. I'm going to do it as soon as I can and I'll let you know.
[the following is in reference to another thread "Name Game"]
BTW Ckbone, you and I are distant cousins because I'm 14th cousin, 5 times removed to Dan'l Boone! (admittedly, distant) Take care
04-10-2001 11:11:36

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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God...I'm also related to Friar Tuck? Who's next? Look...I've also got one of those three-legged picture stands right here. It would work ok, but would be very unstable. Also the screen would have to be tilted back to achieve any amount of stability. I sat an I-Opener minus stand on this thing and never could envision a safe setup. Three legs won't do it. Here's an easier/safer setup: A piece of heavy crown moulding, with a big curve in the middle. Cut it to the horizontal length of the I-Opener. Put some non-slip material on the bottom, some velcro in the bottom of the curved top.The I-Opener will sit in either orientation in this curve, made fast with the addition of small pieces of velcro on the two different bottom edges. To brace the back, cut one or two somewhat triangular pieces of wood...the angle determined by your favorite viewing angle. Use velcro again to hold the I-Opener's rear side to this brace. This setup could come apart easily, making it portable. Or it could be screwed together with a larger piece of wood as a base. Made out of oak, stained to match furniture...it would look excellent (depending on your wood-working skills).

Am I the only person using an I-Opener in this portrait mode? I tell you what...In the vertical mode, the screen gives you the distinct impression of being much larger than it really is. As a browser, a portrait I-Opener is excellent.

04-10-2001 18:35:17

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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Ckbone, et al -- I'm making my own design for a pivot mount, and might be finished with it tomorrow or day after. I'll get some pics posted when it's finished.
I needed the bracket in back of the IO to be very near flush so that the unit will still collapse and fit into a laptop case. It was either that, or ditch the whole base altogether.
Here's what I came up with, that I'm sure will work. I have two flat metal bars, one of which will mount inside the stock IO mounting bracket, the other of which will mount to the back of the IO using the stock mounting screws. If the pivot is exactly in the middle there is a problem with clearance for not only the USB ports but also the modem phone jacks. Remember how there are those two posts/hangers on the back bracket that extend into the back of the IO? I bent them back & forth til they broke off because they'll just get in the way. Now look at where the post was that was nearest the 'c' on the Netpliance label (on the bracket). This is where mine will pivot (but of course the pivoting bolt will be totally hidden). I have a very slippery, large plastic washer that will fit between the plates to facilitate smooth swivelling. I hope the fit to be very tight and firm which may hold the IO horizontal (when desired), but I have a very cool idea for a spring loaded latching pin on the opposite side.
Clearances are very tight, especially where the bracket pivot will be, but I know I can do it. This is a very simple design and almost will be a bolt-on to the stock IO. Once I have one that works I >might< be able to make a few more. I'll let you all know, and of course I'll post pictures somewhere.
--Credit where credit's due, I got the bar idea from Ckbone!--
04-17-2001 22:11:57

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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It took a little longer, as I had to work it into my work schedule and family time, but my pivoting bracket works great! I switched designs (changed my mind) a couple of times about how to do things, but the result is excellent. The stock Netpliance bracket is extended out from the back of the IO only about 1/8", so it still folds up like a stock IO and when it's used in horizontal setup it's virtually undistinguishable from a stock IO. To pivot the unit pull the spring loaded retaining pin and pivot the IO monitor. As the right side of the screen swivels down to become the bottom, the unit will have to be tilted back a little so that the corners will clear the base, then it can be tilted forward again.
I measured with a protractor, and the lowest possible viewing angle is 100 degrees, in other words, tilted back 10 degrees from absolute vertical. For ME, this is acceptable. All the jacks in the back are clear. (If you missed my previous post, it doesn't pivot exactly in the middle but right where the "c" is on the Netpliance label on the stock bracket.)
Additional note: If you downloaded the Pivot software package a couple of months or so ago it included an additional utility to swap the display 180 degrees. If a person were to use that with the normal Pivot software, they could swivel the IO counterclockwise 90 degrees instead of clockwise 90 degrees, letting them get about an 80 degree viewing angle.
I have to wait until I get to work to use their digital camera, then I'll get the pictures posted soon after. Works great, though!
04-25-2001 11:10:58

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Frier....can't wait to see your pictures. I'd like a setup that doesn't obscure the USB port. Can't really visualize the setup you describe. Where was that file that did the 180 degree rotation? Was it in the 5.0 driver package?
04-25-2001 16:19:26

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) friar
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I remember when I downloaded Pivot software before that there was an extra utility in the package that swapped the view 180 deg., but now it's not included. Maybe if I was to buy...?
Anyhow, know where the two bracket 'hangers' come through the back of the IO? My pivot scheme has the IO swivelling on the left-most one. I was thinking that by pivoting the unit there that the right side of the screen would have a tendency to drop (in horizontal mode only), and that's why I made the spring loaded locking pin. As it turns out my implimentation is very firm, and unless the swivel somehow loosens over time I guess the pin wasn't really necessary.
Bar #1: 1-1/4" X 5-1/2" (abt. 1/8" thick flat bar) with pivot hole 2-5/16" in from one side.
Bar #2: 1-5/8" X 8-1/4" (same thickness as above) with pivot hole 3-1/8" in from one side.
I used a large bolt for the pivot, I believe it was 3/8-16 and must be cut to fit for length (it will end up just shy of 3/8" long. Find a bolt with a rounded head, but not a carriage bolt as you'll want threads all the way up to the head of the bolt.
Cut two washers from (don't laugh) a milk jug or similar thin slippery plastic. (Got Milk?) One washer I made just as big as the bolt head, the other I made 1-1/4" diameter, because it fits between the two bars.
Drill 3/8" hole (only if you're using that size bolt, as I was) through bar #2 at the specified location 3-1/8" in from one side. On the smaller bar, what I did was to tap out threads (for the 3/8" inch bolt) necessitating using a smaller drill size initially.
Put small washer on bolt, then large bar, then larger washer, then thread on the smaller bar and cinch it all down firm. The extra bolt coming through will have to be cut off with a hacksaw or similar tool. After you cut the bolt, unscrew the whole assembly, which should clean up the threads mangled from the cutting.
Fit the small bar inside the stock IO bracket and over to the left. I had to make small cuts in the 2 cross support partitions to allow the bar to go all the way in flush with the edges. Countersink the screws you use to mount this inner plate (bar #1).
Bar #2, if you've noticed, is exactly the same size as the stock IO bracket, and this will mount using the same holes that the bracket used to, going into the back of the IO. You need to countersink these screws also, so you'll have to get the right size screws from the hardware store. (Tip -- ditch those Torx screws and tap out the holes to fit screws you can easily locate, I did that months ago).
Now, unmount everything, if you jumped ahead, and re-assemble just the plates, washers, and bolt assembly. Tighten bolt to the firmness you want for the pivot. Now either arc-weld the cut bolt end to the threaded plate (bar #1) or go with JB Weld or other super adhesive. I decided to try the JB Weld because no heat would be generated that could melt my homemade washers. I've heard of guys that've successfully repaired cracked engine blocks with this compound, so I figured it'd work for this usage. Mix it correctly and apply to ONLY the threads that enter bar #1. Carefully thread on bar #1 and tighten to the firmness you want for the pivot. Smear JB Weld all over the cut end of the bolt and part of the plate surrounding it too (outer side of course, duh). Following instructions, leave it alone for 16 hours or so. (hard to do, I know)
After it's dried fully, mount bar #1 inside the stock IO bracket using countersunk screws. Then you can mount the rest of it to the back of the IO using the original mounting holes (with new countersunk screws). NOTE: a small amount of cutting may have to be done to the case right where the pivot bolt head meets the case. I didn't have to trim very much, but I did have to. That's why selecting a bolt with a rounded head is important in the first place.
This message is getting way too long, so I'll just say briefly that I used a steel pop-rivet and a spring from an ink pen to make the retaining pin, which works very nicely to prevent unwanted swivellation frustration.
(pan back to see Friar spinning in his office chair...)
04-26-2001 00:04:24

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) El_Kabong
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The Crack: /http://62.145.20.131/dbc/Files/DBC_Pivot_v5.01_Patch.zip
04-26-2001 12:20:17

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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So Close Dude,

\ http://62.145.20.131/dbc/Files/DBC_Pivot_v5.01_Patch.zip

Now, You know You shouldn't be doing this, Don't You !

04-26-2001 12:29:13

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) parasyght
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cool!!
http://62.145.20.131/dbc/Files/DBC_Pivot_v5.01_Patch.zip
04-26-2001 12:29:48

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) El_Kabong
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I know Starfish. I do feel guilty, sort of. How about if I say I'm just posting a link and not the patch itself. No, still feel guilty. Oh well, guilt is a part of life.
04-26-2001 16:30:59

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) danimoor
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I got the free pivot software from http://www.jdresearch.com/i810.htm working on my i-opener, on win2k.

I installed the software, then without rebooting, I installed the setup program in the update directory. After rebooting, I have a rotate option when I right click on a blank area of the desktop.

Hope this helps...

07-29-2001 20:32:58

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) jbarr
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Pretty cool!

I just installed it on my desktop PC under Windows 98, and it works like a charm. Of course, I don't have a rotatable monitor, so it really serves no purpose, but the concept is cool. Really makes me wish I had a portrait monitor!!!

Now to see what it's like on the i-Opener...

08-01-2001 07:22:57

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I got some photos of my pivoting I-Opener here:

http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/ckbone63123

Remember the software in the first post in this topic won't work in Win98....If you just want to see what it looks like in an I-Opener, download the prog Pivot5.01 from Portrait displays. That version works fine in an I-Opener....they have it on sale sometimes for $20.

08-01-2001 08:11:39

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) iOiOitsOFF2WORKiGO
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http://209.41.5.228/public/iOftp/pivotfull.exe
08-01-2001 22:31:45

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) roswell979
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Any pics and or kits for easily rotating? I got the software all set just need to be able to mount it. Can you not acces the usb port now?
08-22-2001 08:26:23

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Take a look at the pictures of my rotating mount (there's a link in post #2). You'll see a cut-out section which rotates past the power and USB ports. The power plug is already a right angle plug. I cut up a USB cable end and glued it back together in a right angle bend. When the screen is rotated, the cut-out part just passes over the right angle USB cable...works just fine. I've been using this I-Opener 100% vertical for almost a year now.
08-22-2001 16:28:57

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Take a look at this setup.....probably could be adapted to an I-Opener. Looks good, expensive.

http://us2.portrait.com/products/pivotarm.htm

Hey Friar...Where are your pictures?

09-10-2001 17:42:08

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) ckbone
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There's a new version of the pivot software...6.01. I upgraded my registered copy of 5.01. This new driver works ok and is slightly different. You now have the ability to rotate the display any one of the four directions. So I guess if anyone has the need to view the screen up-side-down you can now do it!!!

FWIW....The mount Portrait Displays is now selling would bolt up to my new Rad5 monitor...I'm tempted.

09-15-2001 14:36:07

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) RacenViper
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Can anyone offer new links, as the ones listed in this thread are dead for "Patch" and "PivotFull"
05-30-2004 17:13:40

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Email me at r_fl_z(at)hotmail.com and I'll hook you up.
06-02-2004 18:10:59

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) RacenViper
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r_fl_z

did you get my email?

06-07-2004 21:17:23

New MessageRE:Free Pivot software (modified 0 times) r_fl_z
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Yes I did. Sorry for any perceived delay.

Check your email, you have been HOOKED UP! :)

06-14-2004 10:52:05

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