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New MessageHelp! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) garibaldo
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I attached my harddrive to the IMOD3, plugged it into the i-opener motherboard and then attached the IDE + power plug from the desktop into the appropriate plugs of the IMOD3 and booted my desktop. I heard a fizzle, saw a little smoke and smelled that horrible electric burn smell. I looked at the bottom of the IMOD3 and I saw that one of the trace was exposed and burnt out. AHHHHHHH! Why wasn't there any instructions on how to do this right included with the i-mod3 kit!? What did I do wrong? My problem now is that the i-opener won't even turn on. I took out the imod3 board from the motherboard, but shouldn't it still boot? Nothing comes up on the video screen, but some of the chips appear to get hot. Nothing on the motherboard appears to be burnt. THe fan doesn't turn on and the bus-powered USB hub doesn't light up, so it seems like power isn't getting to where it needs to be. SH*T! What are the chances that the HD is messed up!?
HELP! BADFLASH!
03-29-2001 00:00:14

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) ckbone
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Wait a minute here....I don't have an I-Mod3, but if I'm reading you correctly.....you had the board+hard-drive attached to a powered-up I-Opener. You had an IDE cable going to another computer. You also had a power supply cable from this other computer attached to the Mod3 board. When you fired up the other computer the I-mod and the I-Opener fried? If this description is correct....it was bound to fry. You should not have attached the power supply from the other computer, while the board was attached to the I-Opener. Were there any instructions with this kit?
03-29-2001 04:19:01

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) h2oboxer
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There were no instructions packaged with the
IMOD3. However, there are step by step instructions here http://linux-hacker.net/imod3/index.html
03-29-2001 06:45:44

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) ckbone
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I could only get the first nine or so pictures to load.....picture#5 shows a hard-drive attached to an I-Mod three, and IDE cable attached, and a power supply cable from another source. It does not show the board attached to the I-Opener. Very misleading. DO NOT DO IT THE WAY JUST MENTIONED BY GARIBALDO. The I-Mod board only needs to get it's 5v from the I-Opener or another computer....not both at the same time.
03-29-2001 10:47:46

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Man, I'm sorry that happened, but I had no idea anyone would try to feed power to the IMOD3 from another computer with it plugged into the IOPENER. How in the world did you get the power plug to reach?

Anyway, I'm not sure that there is anything that can be done about it now. The power plug was intended only for use for formatting the drive on a desktop. One must never cross connect computer power supplies.

Codeman may have some suggestions for you. I have no idea what parts cooked off, but the damage is likely beyond fixing.

03-29-2001 12:33:01

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) garibaldo
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I'm pretty sure the I-opener was off when I attached the desktop IDE cable and power supply. I'm almost 100% sure of this.
03-29-2001 12:58:15

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Spike
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I took a look at the installation steps earlier in the day and descovered that one step says to connect the IMOD3 to the desktop and install the OS of choice. The next step says to install the board in the IO, but makes no explicit mention of disconnecting it from the desktop. That may be obvious to you and me, but could be misleading to someone doing the mod for the first time. In any event, I'd bet Garibaldo's IO hacking days have come to an abrupt end.
03-29-2001 15:11:29

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) garibaldo
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It doesn't seem like anything on the i-opener is fried or burnt. I don't smell that funny electric burn smell on the board. What could I have done to the board? Is there a reset switch or contact on the board? Does something need to be plugged into the IDE port for it to boot up? Shouldn't it at least power on even if something isn't connected to it?
03-29-2001 16:55:41

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) GWIZAH
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Well, I fried an IMOD accidentally when it grounded on my case. The only thing that was visibly burnt on mine was the trace for the 5v connector. the LED stayed lit though, I ended up trashing it and ordering another.
03-29-2001 19:36:42

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Spike
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I've read several times that there is an SMT fuse on the motherboard at location R66 (upper left under the coil). I think that fuse only protects the backlight, but I'm not sure. From your description, it sounds as though you have far more serious problems, but the fuse is still worth checking out. If it is any consolation, I think you have a better than even chance that the HD survived. You can try mounting it in the desktop alone and see if it responds, but you may need a new adapter depending on where the IMOD3 is damaged.
03-30-2001 09:17:08

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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People have killed IOpeners in a similar fashion using the 3.5" to 2.5" IDE Adapters. Myself included. It's very likely to be a mosfet in the very bottom right corner of the IOpener, when you look at the motherboard with the IDE header positioned at the top edge.

The mosfet is known as q35. In extreme cases, it'll appear burned through and through. Do a search on "q35" or "glowing" to find some horror stories.

I brought my IOpener back to life as soon as this part was replaced. Hopefully your luck will be as good, too.

From my notes, here are the Digikey parts to replace it:


Q35 should be replaced by DigiKey part# NDS8410CT-ND or IRF7413-ND
Q34 should be replaced by DigiKey part# NDS9435ACT-NT or NDS8435ACT-ND
04-04-2001 13:24:11

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I would like the opinion of the IOPENER Community on this issue.

I'm going to put up a disclaimer on my web page as a result of this, but I kind of feel like it is impossible to prevent people from frying their IOPENERS or doing things they don't understand and not asking for help in advance. I fried 3 IO's doing research and it never even occured to me to blame anyone but myself. Here is the situation:

Both the IMOD3 and my complete adapter assembly come with power supply connectors. I don't cut off the power supply connector so that the adapter that is part of it can be used for that purpose if one so chooses. Codeman puts the power plug on the IMOD3 so that you can use it for an adapter. My opinion is that hacking requires a certain level of knowledge and that folks need to take responsibility for their own actions and not blame me or codeman if they fry their machines due to their own lack of understanding. Case in point here of cross connecting two power supplies. To me this is something that would never occur to me that one could even do it, let alone not understand that it might hurts something. I personally put this in the same arena as putting the wet puppy in the microwave to dry it off. The results are tragic, but you can hardly blame the fellow selling the microwave for this.

What does the group say about this? Is it my obligation to replace this IMOD3 or the guys IOPENER because of actions he took without understanding the consequences of his actions?

04-12-2001 14:15:05

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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I would like the opinion of the IOPENER Community on this issue.

I'm going to put up a disclaimer on my web page as a result of this, but I kind of feel like it is impossible to prevent people from frying their IOPENERS or doing things they don't understand and not asking for help in advance. I fried 3 IO's doing research and it never even occured to me to blame anyone but myself. Here is the situation:

Both the IMOD3 and my complete adapter assembly come with power supply connectors. I don't cut off the power supply connector so that the adapter that is part of it can be used for that purpose if one so chooses. Codeman puts the power plug on the IMOD3 so that you can use it for an adapter. My opinion is that hacking requires a certain level of knowledge and that folks need to take responsibility for their own actions and not blame me or codeman if they fry their machines due to their own lack of understanding. Case in point here of cross connecting two power supplies. To me this is something that would never occur to me that one could even do it, let alone not understand that it might hurts something. I personally put this in the same arena as putting the wet puppy in the microwave to dry it off. The results are tragic, but you can hardly blame the fellow selling the microwave for this.

What does the group say about this? Is it my obligation to replace this IMOD3 or the guys IOPENER because of actions he took without understanding the consequences of his actions?

04-12-2001 14:17:01

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) dkirk
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Definately you DO NOT owe him a new IMod3 or IOpener, in my opinion. Placing a disclaimer on the web site might save you, but I am in complete agreement that connecting two power supplies to the device is completely inconcievable to me. I still am amazed that it was even possible. I do feel badly for him, but not so bad that you are responsible for it! Along the road of life there will be many more lessons to be learned, some very painfully. I guess you could also add one more sentence in your online installation page that states something like "only have one power source and IDE data source connected at one time".
04-12-2001 14:38:24

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) ckbone
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My opinion in this matter is somewhat conflicting. On the one hand I agree with you 100% that we are all responsible for our own actions....if you solder on your main-board for instance, you better be ready to accept a bad result. The same thing applies to connecting any of the I-Mod kits. However, this particular hacking community is composed of many persons who are beginners in computers, hacking, hardware and electronics. And I know many of the posts here make it sound so easy, many of the posts skip right over difficult areas, assuming perhaps everyone reading anything here, is an expert in the field. I never make that assumption when I post anything....maybe it makes my posts sound like I'm only talking to beginners....in fact I am. I am in reality talking to a mix of experts, and beginners. And I try to make what I say understandable by everyone. In this matter I think at the very least, some sort of directions should have come with the kit....some dos and don'ts. Its obvious now that some really beginners are buying these kits....and they do need some direction. I hope everyone who reads this topic, beginners particularly, understand it's not as easy as it sounds...this I-Opener hack. For God sakes, if anyone has a problem, a question about any of the hardware part of the hack, ask it before you do something that could distroy your I-Opener. That's what this BBS is all about.
04-12-2001 16:30:53

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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BadFlash, You have too much Heart !

Garibaldo, Hacking Always carries a Certain amount of Risk. As does Teaching Yourself New Skills.
Be Responsible for what You have Done, as others before You Have.
Either accept the Challenge of Repairing this or Stop Hardware Hacking.
But Don't Blame others for your inexperience.
Come on, You knew You were taking a Chance when You broke the Seals & Opened it up.
Some Lessons in Life Cost more than others.
This one was cheaper than a Class would have been, & You will Not forget it Soon !
If Repairing this is not the direction You want to go, then Part it out.
There are people looking for a LCD Screen or a Power Supply, beside other Misc. components.
You might be surprised @ How much of Your loses could be Cut by selling the Whole Project to someone else.

04-12-2001 17:11:19

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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After some discussion it looks like he did not cross connect two live power supplies. The IO was either turned off or unplugged, but the effect is the same. With the IMOD3 plugged into the IOPENER the external power supply would attempt to back-feed into the IOPENER and power whatever it could pulling 10 amps or more through the IMOD3 and burning it up.
04-12-2001 18:25:43

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Another fine point here. I know people often confuse me and Codeman, but we are not the same person and our buisnesses are not affilated. Ken is kind enough to post my banner on his site and I buy products from him wholesale. The instructions your are referring to are on Codeman's site. You will find no reference to them on my site. I give my customers credit enough to know there limitations and expect them to ask if they have questions, and take responsibility for their actions if they don't. If I have a defective product, I replace it. If the customer makes a mistake, I expect them to take responsibility for that. I have a lot of tolerance, but I have my limits too.

This forum is the instruction manual for the IOPENER. I have no plans of making up an instruction kit with do's and don'ts, as much as I respect your opinion ckbone. If I start down that slippery slope, where does it end? If codeman wants to include one, as r_fl_z did with the serial board, I'll be happy to pass it along. I'm not going to start trying to figure out all possible ways folks can make mistakes. "DO NOT HACK ENERGIZED EQUIPMENT WHILE BATHING" may be good advice, but come on! I can not predict what other people think or do not think.

Any one who has ever written and asked me a question has received an almost immediate response to their particular question. I don't mind doing that at all. I just don't go along with the idea that I should be required to tell people not to trim their hedges with a lawnmower. If you don't know what I'm talking about with this one, check it out. The reason you can't run a lawnmower running without holding onto the deadman switch is as a result of two fellows doing just that. One lost a hand as a result and blamed the lawnmower company. It seems there was no warning lable telling them that they shouldn't do that. When the smoke cleared there was a requirement for all new lawnmowers to have some means to stop the blade when one was not actively on the machine

04-12-2001 19:10:01

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Ragnar
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Both ckbone and badflash have valid points. But in the end we each are responsible for our own actions, regardless of what some trial lawyers' think. So Garibaldo fried $30 worth of equipment. That's small compared to what most intermediate to advanced hackers have cost themselves. Just consider it part of the learning curve. When you go it alone you run a greater risk of failure. But on the other hand, when you do something right, by yourself, the feeling of accomplishment is that much greater. And that, I believe, is what hacking is all about.
04-12-2001 20:50:28

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Ragnar
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Just went back and re-read all the post. I didn't realize at first that Garibaldo also may have fried his I-opener. Assigning who is to blame is a moot point. Now let see if we can help him get his I-opener working. What's the first step? Where's the fuse located on this machine?
04-12-2001 21:05:56

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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He does not indicate that his IO is dead, but I don't think a full damage assesment has been made. He is a little pissed at me, so I have not received a clear picture of his situation. I am sending him a free IO cable to allow him to check things out. I'm not doing it as a result of any feeling of obligation for poor documentation, but as a result of my poor customer relations handling of this issue with him. It seems I allowed myself to tell him what I really felt about what he did and why it happened and he didn't take it very well. It was worth the price of the cable to do that, but I doubt he is taking what I say to heart. I think he feels I am just insulting him rather than showing him what went wrong and how to avoid problems like this in the future.

Chances are slim that any fuses would blow in a situation like this. He was back-feeding the IO though the IDE power supply. The current draw burned out the power trace on the IMOD3 like a fuse. I'm hoping that that was the weak link and that nothing inside got fried.

The IMOD3 is sexy, but a cable will work fine andone can always mount the drive upside down on the RF shield. I fold the cable under the drive and use it to cushion the board. That way no wire splitting is needed. 1 45 degree fold under the drive, then a 180 degree fold to the drive itself.

04-13-2001 06:52:17

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Lakewood
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When I ordered my I-mod 3 kit, I took the time to study and re-read and print off many of the posts relating to installation of the I Mod 3 board. I was able to do this because of the delay Codeman had in shipping. The situation has changed now, with Badflash shipping the boards shortly after ordering with little or no time delay. I am an impatient person, and when that I-Mod 3 kit arrived, I wanted to have the I-Opener up and running before I went to bed.

I have the highest respect for Badflash, his products, his dedication to this niche market, and mostly to his customer service. It would seem to me to further enhance his customer service and appreciation to include a one page instruction page with the kit. I remember posting a message as soon as I received my kit that there were no instructions included and someone pointed me to the ones on Codeman's site. I had even printed off the instructions from that Wizz place to see if they were similar. I'm sure one of this board's "family" with graphic arts experience and a digital camera could produce an excellent detailed installation instruction sheet to be included in Badflash's kits. Then there would be no confusion on what to hook up where.

That is my opinion for what it's worth.

04-13-2001 07:04:59

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) ttn1
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I think the key thing to remember here, is that with hacking, and pretty much everything else, impatience is not a virtue. If you don't know what your doing, read until you do. Profuse use of a multi-meter is also suggested. Learning before you fry is always the best route. It may take a while, but you'll be much better for it. You'll also be much better prepared when you do fry something, which is bound to happen.

ttn2

04-13-2001 08:18:01

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil
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Badflash is correct - the external power supply will power some portions of the IOpener. This was known behavior that I was intentionally experimenting with about a year ago, in order rewrite the IOpener's SanDisk from an external machine.

In all previous "fryings" related to sending power through the IDE Port, Q35 is the MOSFET that sacrifices itself to save the rest of the board from damage. The chip itself sells for $1.50 or so, and it takes all of 30 minutes to remove the old, and solder on the new.

04-13-2001 10:11:59

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) Ragnar
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There actually is a "beginners manual" for the I-opener. It goes under the heading "Tips for New Beginners" started by ckbone. Printing out all 40+ pages when I first started hacking my I-opener was the smartest thing I could have done to make this hack as easy as possible. All seven are found in the technical area.
04-13-2001 10:12:27

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) BadFlash
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Try to get this concept. The IMOD3 is NOT Badflash's kit. It is Codeman's kit. If you go to Sears and buy a washing machine made by GE, you get the documentation that GE provided with it. You don't like their instructions and you go to sears they will give you a shoulder shrug. If you ask them a question you may get an answer.

You buy a Codeman IMOD3 from Badflash, you get everything that Codeman provides with it, which is nothing. I took over selling the IMOD3's to help out the community here. Folks were accusing codeman of being a crook, they couldn't find out when their parts were shipped or not, they couldn't get answers to their questions.

I worked a deal with codeman, and now I'm the only one who doesn't know the status of my order. You send me a question, you get an answer the same day. I don't make nearly enough on these things to go make up an instruction sheet and take on that sort of liability. Some of you seem to think that all there is to it is to run a copy machine. Codeman took a shot at it, but that isn't good enough for some people. How about one of you guys put up a good pictorial page & I'll point to it? The link will be preface of course with "proceed at your own risk".

04-13-2001 10:19:14

New MessageRE:Help! I-opener\IMOD3 fried! (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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> garibaldo, Why wasn't there any instructions on how to do this right included with the i-mod3 kit!?

StarFish> Why didn't You Ask ? "Lakewood" asked, & had an answer in 22 minutes.
( & Tell Me You Never checked out the Instructions/Pictures Before You Ordered this Kit)

> garibaldo, I attached my harddrive to the IMOD3, plugged it into the i-opener motherboard and then attached the IDE + power plug from the desktop into the appropriate plugs of the IMOD3 and booted my desktop.

> IMOD3 instructions
install the hard drive onto the Imod3 board, now just plug it in you desktop to install the OS of your choice.
(this picture shows No IDE Cable)
now align the Imod3 with the 44 pin ide header in the Imod3 iopener
(this picture shows No Power Plugged in)
almost done now add the 2x2.5mm screw with washers to mount the Imod3 to the iopener

StarFish> It's Hard for Me to even Pretend He was following the Instructions or Pictures !

04-13-2001 11:19:16

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