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Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile I just got these two new Iopeners. I beleive they are the newest models. Can't get into the BIOS using ctrl, alt, del. Bios Comes out easily. The IDE connector is intact. I have read many of the sites about Iopener modifications and several things are still unclear. I simply want to use these two Iopeners on a Windows Network for internet access. They will be connected to a standard desktop system using a hub. I am asumming I can access CDROM over the network with USB network adapters. I want to use the onboard sound with the current sound system and if it can be avoided I do not want to upgrade the CPU unless there is something available that is PNP. Is there? I am guessing that upgrading the BIOS which I will purchase from BadFlash and installing a hard drive using the IMOD 2 kit will have me up and running. Somehow that sounds too simple, what else should I know. Can I install and use win 98, will the LPT port and USB be detected and work? Will the modem be detected and work. Can I boot from the HD or do I need to install an OP to the Sandisk? Just trying to get my facts straight before I spend money. I apreciate any advise. 03-09-2002 12:00:31

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) RoKnRoL Profile Yes you are correct, but you will have to install the OS on the hd before you put it in the iop. Just make sure you install the driver for whatever network device you are going to use (preferably usb) after you install the OS on the drive. Once you get network connectivity then the rest is easy. 03-09-2002 12:09:31

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Ragnar1 Profile Yes, it's that simple if you can be happy with a 200mhz machine. Yes to all other questions. Happy Hacking. 03-09-2002 12:10:37

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile That was quick. Thanks. I will be loading the hard drives using an adapter on my desktop, got that. About the CPU what is the fastest CPU available that is PNP or requires little modification. The modifactions sound like greek to me and I am not sure I can do them. 03-09-2002 12:20:07

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Wild_Pencil Profile | Email Does either machine's IOpener software mention anything about "AnyISP" or switching the ISP in the Preferences Menu? If they do, and you're sure that nobody's used these IOpeners before, some people might be interested in getting a copy of the IOpener software on your Sandisk. -WP 03-09-2002 15:27:39

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) RoKnRoL Profile WP, we have 2 version 5's that have never phoned home. 1 hacked with sandisk in tact and one still virgin but not for long. Would you like me to check the virgin to see if it has a changeable isp ? RoK 03-09-2002 17:16:22

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email wolves: you will need the drivers for the Trident display controller chip to get the display to go to 800X600 in windows. the display looks bad in 640X480. you will need the drivers for the VIA chipset to get the USB and sound to work correctly. you will need the modem driver if you want to use that. while the modem is inside the i-o case, it is connected to a serial port as an external modem. windows does not automatically detect it. if your i-o has the RISE cpu, the sound will not work under windows as windows sound on the i-o needs MMX. an Intel 200MMX cpu is a straight replacement for the RISE. you will need a keyboard/mouse adapter cable, similar to the cable to connect a keyboard/mouse to an IBM Thinkpad, to connect a real ps/2 type keyboard. you will need the ps/2 keyboard to get into the bios cmos setup with an 'escape' key. when you set up your hard drives make sure they are active and bootable to a c:\> command prompt before installing them in the i-o's. when you get together all drivers and software you need to run the machine, copy your win98 folder from your installation CD and everything else to the h.d. before installing the h.d. in the machine. before installing any software, go into the bios cmos setup and where it allocates an IRQ for the display and disable the display IRQ. in 'BIOS FEATURES SETUP', change the boot device to device c. in 'Standard CMOS Setup', set the hard disk type to 'auto' and mode to auto'. you do not need to do 'IDE HDD AUTO DETECTION'. do the os and driver installation with the h.d. in the i-o. some people install everything on the h.d. with the h.d. running on a different machine and then move the h.d. to the i-o, let windows recognize the different hardware and go from there. this makes more work. after you install win98, install the VIA drivers. then go into My Computer/Control Panel/System/Device Manager/hard disk controllers/settings and change the 'dual IDE Channel Controller to "Only Primary Channel Enabled". you will only have one ide channel in the i-o, and you will need the IRQ. then install the display driver. go back to My Computer/Control Panel/Display/Settings an set up the display to 800X600 etc. then install the modem driver and set up the modem. these should be done in this order or you may have problems getting things to work correctly. after you get one i-o running the way you want, you can do everything again on the other or take the h.d. out and copy it to the h.d. for the second i-o. if you drag and drop from one h.d. to the other, you should have the second h.d. an exact copy of the first, ready to install and run. i even keep a backup mirror copy of my i-o h.d. on my desktop computer. your i-o setup just got complicated. do searches on this board for where to get the chipset and modem drivers. if you run into a problem, come back and ask. remember, have fun oldman 03-09-2002 18:29:12

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Ragnar1 Profile RoKnRoL and wolves, There are many people out there who need a virgin image of the i-opener image that is on the sandisk. It would be ever so nice if you could make an image of each machine and send it to me, WildPencil, Glitch, or Jack@Badflash. I will send you a copy of dolly.exe to make it with. Contact me at endorphinjunkie AT earthlink.net. I will send instructions on how to use dolly to do it. Thanks in advance. Ragnar 03-09-2002 19:33:42

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile Oldman, Thanks for the very detailed instructions. I have printed them and will follow your directions. I know I want something better than the RISE CPU, but I just don't think I can do any serious CPU upgrades that involve more than plugging a new chip in. If I remove the RISE CPU and install a Pentium 200 with MMX it will work? The MMX is 2.8 volt, nothing else to do, just remove the RISE CPU and insert the MMX? Ragnar, The software on these units does not allow you to select your own ISP, they have obviously been powered on before and activated, they were store returns that I got in last week. I do get Iopeners in from time to time and I know we have had mint, in the sealed box units come in. I havn't taken an interest in the Iopener until now, but if I get some more in that are sealed and obviously virgin I will do what I can to help. 03-09-2002 23:08:05

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email wolves: the RISE cpu is 2.8V. you should consider replacing the heatsink with a Lasagna brand or Sunon brand thin 5 volt cpu heatsink and cooling fan. you will have better cooling if you intend to have your i-o running very long (like several hours). oldman 03-10-2002 13:45:33

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Ragnar1 Profile Wolves, Remove the door on the back of the iopener and see if there is a dip switch is located right above the memory socket. If it does it will have two switches. If it's there you are in luck. The four voltage setting that it allows are 2.8V, 2.6V, 2.2V and 2.0V. Any of the amd k6 processors can be used in these and even at the stock 200mhz run faster that the rise processor. They are fairly cheap, too. With the + models you can use software to run the iopener at a faster speed. But running anything above ~250mhz you will need active cooling. 03-10-2002 19:23:46

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) RoKnRoL Profile Ragnar1 I'm at work now and just received the email. Will probably be 3/14 or so before I can get the image. Will contact as soon as I do tho. Family medical probs right this minute. 03-11-2002 06:48:44

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile Ragnar, The dip switches are there. So, what is the fastest, specific AMD CPU I can just drop in without any modification other than changing the switches? Thanks. Wolves 03-11-2002 09:20:19

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Ragnar1 Profile Without hacking to do the fsb and multiplier hacks you will need an amd k6II+ or an amd k6III+ to go higher than 200mhz. \http:www.tigerdirect.com has the k6II+ or about ~$40 total. With an extra fan blowing in the memory door you can flirt with 300mhz. But at that speed you will have to do something to shed or transfer the heat generated by Q16. Without doing anything to Q16 about 266mhz is the top safest speed. The stock fsb speed is 66mhz. With the program k6clk.exe you can set the multiplier anywhere between 2 and 6. So, with proper cooling 6x66 for ~400mhz is the fastest with out doing the speed hacks. 03-11-2002 11:24:03

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) cuchetti Profile | Email You are in the exact situation I was in 3 weeks ago. > You can drop in a K62P or a K62+ and run it at 200Mhz, (you need the cooling mod to realize the chip's full potential). Upgrading the RAM to 128k supposedly will boost the performance, but it wasn't noticeable to me. > I bought a K62+ on ebay, (with help from Jack @badflash), switched the voltage, upgraded the RAM and was disappointed when it seemed just mildly faster. I realized I was going to need to have the cooling mod done to make me satisfied with my new chip purchase. > I knew I wasn't up for the soldering challenge so I ended up writing to Jack to see if he offered soldering as a service. Lucky for me, he did. > So for $50 plus the parts and shipping I'll have a 400Mhz i-opener that - I've got to believe - screams. I can't wait to get my hands on it. If you haven't had contact with Jack yet, do yourself a favor and send him an email, he's the greatest. 03-11-2002 12:07:31

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email Wolves: what it comes down to is how simple do you want to keep your i-o's and how much time and money you want to spend. i found that the faster you try to run a faster cpu, the lower you need to go with the core voltage and the more heat you need to get rid of to be stable. without extensive mods to the core voltage power, the 2volts limits what you can do. at one time, there was almost a competition for who could get their i-o to go the fastest and be stable. the power brick and on-board power circuits are not capable of the demands of high speed cpu's. q16 sets the cpu core voltage. it is soldered to the main board near the cpu. near it is a temp sensor you can read on bios setup. under the cpu is another temp sensor. you can search this board for what the max safe temps should be. if you go to high you can waste your i-o. q16 gets very hot with a fast cpu, and must be moved off the board with special cooling. the cpu gets hot also. if you want to set your i-o's up and run them, stick with something around 200mhz. the AMD cpu's are 2volt chips and really cannot get you much without mods for power and heat. an i-o can suck up a lot of time and money if you want to hack one to the most you can get. the i-o is not the limiting factor on how fast your internet activity is. your internet connection is. if you are a good technician or hands-on engineer and want to play, there is a lot of play value in an i-o. if you just want to use your i-o's to surf the net, think about KISS. have fun oldman 03-11-2002 20:25:31

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Werewolf Profile | Email I am so glad this thread appeared. I am brand new to the I-Opener world, having seen them and successfully bid for one of them at ebay, supposedly v5 with manufature date of 8/01. I am at the pre-beginner stage of looking for a security torx-8 (thanks to jack/badflash for the info) to open up the silly thing. I have stayed up nights to read all the threads, but like many beginners is very confused, especially with threads that don't really end with easy answers. I have bought another already hacked version with hard disk and Win ME, again cannot open it! However, it is happily (and whiningly/noisily) surfing the net after throwing away the flaky Xircom USB ethernet adaptor that came with it and installing a self-powered D-Link USB hub/ethernet adaptor. I only need the new i-o to be electronic picture frame/Mp3/web surfer, hooked to home ethernet LAN, perhaps with a wireless USB. After the above clarifications, I am much more clear as to what to do -- experts, can you check me on the steps below and help on the questions? Thank you so much! 1) open the thing after I find the screwdriver -- so far Lowes, Home Depot, Radio Shack, Sears, and Snap-On don't have such an item. 2) get a hard drive, after all the threads, it seems most will work as long as the form factor fits. I hear that Fujitsu may be cooler 3) get MOD II, fan, and BIOS from BadFlash, install same 4) copy image of hacked i-o drive to the new drive, install, and fly!! 5) oop,s forgot the memory. Cannot find the memories mentioned in the threads, all kinda old plus still unanswered question of compatibility with the RISE 266 (supposedly in my new machine). Besides, all the ones I can find around the Seattle area (e.g. Costco as one of hte threads suggested) say SDRAM DIMM, not SODIMM, let alone 8 chips per side. Local Circuit City and CompUSA are no help. I am thinking of 256MB, which should make Win ME happy. 6) after this thread, I guess I am going to forego (sp?) K6 whatever due to expected technical difficulty . . . Thank you to above step questions. This is not the real me, it's just the effect of the full moon. 03-13-2002 01:07:25

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) *SF* Profile You can use a narrow Jeweler's Screwdriver. stick it between the Pin & 2 points of the torx screw I think it was about 2mm wide. Try a few, you can tell when you have a good fit. takes a little force to start, but you will be surprised how easy this works. 03-13-2002 02:10:28

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Werewolf Profile | Email Oh wow! I guess I can't think outside the box! The flat screwdriver trick worked (after ruining a cheap bendable one, I used a precision one and just jammed it in). I now have a nude V5, intact IDE header etc. Too bad though, I now have officially voided the warrantee (twice, once on the bracket and once on the RF shireld). Whoa! What am I to do? This is not the real me, it's just the effect of the full moon. 03-13-2002 02:47:48

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) djerikd Profile | Email Werewolf, Pick a set of security screwdriver bits on ebay. A search for "security bit" will pop up a bunch of sellers offering a nice 33-piece set for as low as $7. - E 03-13-2002 10:39:24

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Werewolf Profile | Email Thanks for the tip (no pun intended). Unfortunately I think narrow shank "real" screwdrivers are needed since the bits won't fit down into the hole. Anyone with any new sources for the memory (256MB) and >10GB drive that works for sure? Thanks in advance. This is not the real me, it's just the effect of the full moon. 03-13-2002 15:34:00

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile Oldman, Thanks for all of your advise, you have been very helpful. I got all the parts in today from Badflash, quick shipping I have to say. I'm ready to set these babies up. I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind. I don't have a copy of 98SE and I am not forking anymore money out. Will Win95 run and can I find drivers? I am going to upgrade the CPUs to Pentium 200 MMX since they are easy drop in upgrades. I have searched this site over for information about the drivers and I can't find any answers the way. Do you know what sound card is in the V5 and also the chipset? I will do a search on the net for the drivers. Wolves 03-14-2002 17:45:03

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email Wolves, the i-o will run win95. if possible, use release b. this release has usb and fat32 support. you will need this usb for your usb network adapters. the VIA chipset drivers are at http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2(note the capital letters P and ID). pick the 4-in-one you want or select individual drivers. the sound driver is there also. ver 5 i-o has a sound chip from Analog Devices, but the drivers for that chip will NOT work. use the VIA sound driver. this has never been mentioned, but the VIA sound driver is probably working with the sound section of the VIA chip and not the Analog Devices sound chip. the display controller is strange. VIA makes it but it is marketed and promoted by VIA and Trident. the VIA display chip drivers will not work on the Trident version chip because the installer checks for a chip with the built-in VIA identification, the Trident drivers will not work with the VIA version chip because the installer checks for the Trident identification. once the drivers are installed, the help screens and docs say Trident (in about a dozen languages). the Trident Cyberblade i7 driver is here: http://linux-hacker.net/imod/imod.html between the picture of the i-o running mandrake and the picture of the i-o running win98. the Trident driver is a zip file. the modem driver is here:http://www.actiontec.com/support/modems/cwe.html. cwmdm170.exe is the one you want. install it as 'external call waiting modem'. have fun, oldman 03-14-2002 22:05:16

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email that was a good one. on the url for VIA, put a space between the 'ID=2' and the '(' the actiontec url will come up with an error even though i was on that page. start with http://www.actiontec.com , select 'support', select 'product support-downloads', select 'analog modems' , select '56k external' under 'call waiting', then select cwmdm170.exe. still having fun oldman 03-14-2002 22:22:59

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile Oldman, Thanks so much for all of your help. Yippee, after several hours I got the darn thing working, sorta. I was very surprised that everything went as smoothly as it did. I installed the new BIOS and installed WIN98, not SE, to my drive using an adapter and my desktop PC. I had that version on hand. I copied all the driver files too so that they could be installed later on the IO. I should mention that I am using the RISE CPU for now until I can get the Pentium CPUs. Almost everything is working including the USB. I quickly installed a USB Flash Card Reader so that file transfers will be easier. The only thing not working is the audio. I tried to install the driver for it and got an error stating that the audio needed to be enabled in the BIOS, well it is. Am I getting this error because of the RISE CPU? I have been told that audio won't work with the rise and that MMX is needed. Surprisingly, this thing runs with the RISE and only 32MB Ram. It is kinda slow, but not near as slow as I expected. I am well pleased so far. It was really fun, not practical, but fun. I want to install a fan for the CPU using an internal power source, right now the heatsink is in place and the drive is laying on a small box next to the unit. I though about using an external power source such as an AC adapter, but if I can handle the mods for the internal power source that would be nicer. I will be doing the HD LED mod I found instructions for, too. When I get the first IO finished I have another to do. They will be networked using the USB ports. One will in the Bar in my home and the other will be in my kid's room, both connected to my Desktop through a HUB. Anyways, thanks again for all of your advise and patience, everyone and Badflash for great products and quick shipping. 03-16-2002 00:35:21

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email see, it wasn't hard after all. like i wrote back on 3/9, i-o sound under windows needs MMX and will not work with the RISE cpu. 'thinker', in his post on the 'i-opener technical stuff' section must not be reading the i-o general posts because he asks "how are people installing windows". he would have learned it right here. the i-o at 200MHz is not fast if you compare it to what is out there today. when i did my first one, my fastest desktop was 200 and the i-o would meet that. i am writing this on 1.1GHz. speed is nice, but the machine spends most of its time waiting for user input! one last thing: keep the i-o from falling over. the display breaks easily and someone else's dead i-o is the only source of replacement. have fun oldman 03-17-2002 00:53:46

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile Olman, Yes, you were the one sho stated that the audio needed MMX. I have read so much information about these IOs in last couple of weeks that it is difficult to remember where it all came from. I don't know if it is considered impossible to run sound under windows 98 with the RISE CPU, but I have managed to get the audio working. Surprise, maybe not. It was only a simple driver install. The audio works great. I have tested it with MP3s and streaming audio from internet radio stations. All the Windows sounds and alerts work too. Even the microphone is working great too. My V5 is stock with a 128MB upgrade, and an IBM 2.5 810MB HD. I'm not sure of the Win 98 version, I beleive it is not SE. I don't know how to determine the version. The only problem I am having is with the IDE. There is an IRQ conflict that I can't resolve. Do you know the fix for this? It is using IRQ 15 and claims another device is using it too. I have managed to fix the problem a couple of times, but after a reboot the problem comes right back. I can live with that, I guess. Wolves 03-17-2002 19:15:01

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Ragnar1 Profile Wolves, Disable assigning an IRQ for the usb in one of the bios settings and this should clear up the conflict. I forget which bios page its on, but there is a specific line that asks if you want the bios to assign an IRQ for the usb. 03-17-2002 20:15:25

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email wolves: i was trying to run win95b on a ver5 with RISE cpu and sound would not work, but it would work with 200MMX. it could be that sound will work with win98. go to 'my computer/control panel/system/device manager/hard disk controller/dual ide controller/settings/dual ide channel settings' and change from 'default' to 'only primary ide channel enabled'. this will free up an irq. do not touch the usb because you need that. while the i-o has only one usb port showing, there is a second host controller on the board with no port to connect to. if you remove one port in device manager, when you start up again, windows will want to reinstall it again. i do not remember irq assignments for usb in the cmos setup, but you do not need to change it there. if you want, you can find the hack to set up the second usb controller and port. you should go into cmos setup and turn off the irq for the display controller. the display does not need an irq and that frees up another. go back and read 3/9/02 again. it's been a while since i did my last i-o and i do not remember all the details of the cmos setup. sometimes you learn a lot just by playing around, keeping track of what you change so you can put it back if it doesn't work. everytime i go into a new cmos setup, there is something different. the documentation that comes with new mobo's is poor and this board is the best documentation we have for the i-o. with all the mods to the i-o to make it a real computer, i still cannot think it as much more than a toy so, have fun oldman 03-17-2002 22:22:18

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) Ragnar1 Profile Oldman is right. It musta been late. Diable assigning the video an IRQ, not the usb. This will hopefully right any conflict that is on IRQ 15. 03-18-2002 06:19:11

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) wolves Profile I have been having many troubles with my IO. It WAS locking up alot. There seems to be an issue with the CF card reader I was using, or maybe the USB ports. The IO seemed to work fine and run smoothly while I was using it, but would freeze during idle times, such as when I stepped away for a bit and there was no user input. I would come back to find a blue screen with a general protection fault that could not be recovered. I had IRQ conflicts with the IDE controller and the drives were running in compatibility mode. I tried many things, but couldn't get the conflict resolved. There was no option under device manager to designate only the primary IDE channel. I noticed at one time, but that setting option disapeared and I could not use it. I did manage to get the IO working properly, or so far. It has been running for a couple of hours and no freezes. I wiped the hard drive again, reinstalled win98 with USB and Sound disabled in the BIOS. The win98 IDE drivers loaded fine without any conflict. I then set the conroller to primary only. Then I enabled sound and installed only the via sound drivers, everything works well so far. Then I installed the video drivers and everything is still working fine. I have not enabled USB in the BIOS and perhaps I won't. My IO is running fine and for an internet device with sound and a dial up modem I am satisfied. I know this may be meek by other's standards, but I do like my IO. While my plans have changed about networking two of these together. I do settle in every evening and check my email and surf the net. I will be upgrading the other IO I have and will probably pass it on to a friend who needs internet access. I have a few who can't afford a computer. They will be delighted to get it. I get these IOs in all the time with my business and I will keep them for this purpose. This is a great place for dummies like me who don't have a clue and want to hack their IO. I apreciate all of the advice from everyone. Thanks. Wolves 03-22-2002 01:02:09

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 1 times) YouBecha Profile oops I mean http://www.actiontec.com/support/modems/cwe.html A better Modem link... Anyone have a good link for the Video Drivers (I seem to have lost mine) http://www.geocities.com/mr_bubba_zanetti/ 03-26-2002 10:03:22

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) *SF* Profile Well, it's the least I can do. look for Post from 2/1/2001 Thanks Again, *SF* 03-26-2002 12:31:20

RE:Two new Iopeners, what do I do with them? (modified 0 times) oldman Profile | Email YouBecha: check my entry for 3/14/02, fourth paragraph: http://linux-hacker.net/imod/imod.html for windows driver for i-o. the link is between the photo of the i-o running mandrake and the photo of the i-o running win98. oldman 03-26-2002 21:41:41

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