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New MessageWebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Curious
Anybody try to hack a WebTv unit, it already has a hard drive installed?
05-03-2000 09:25:38

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) gewiz
im suprised no ones at least openedone up and posted pictures
05-03-2000 11:36:15

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) anonymous
If the price is low enough people will start to hack that unit.
05-03-2000 12:17:47

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Fant
But I thought WebTV wasn't a standard PC architecture and something proprietary Sony or Phillips designed. If so, it wont do you much good except for parts.
05-03-2000 14:38:29

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Curious
I presume it is not Intel, but probably RISC which should run Linux, NT and others?
05-03-2000 15:29:39

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) emtnman
I read elsewhere on the BBS that it's a Windows CE device with a non-intel processor design... ugggh...
05-03-2000 16:15:16

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Djunky
All webtv units, at least according to the official web page, run a MIPS 64-bit RISC processor, but only have a 32 bit bus. I've been doing some digging on this, but haven't quite talked my uncle out of his yet so haven't looked inside.

However, there are various ports of both Linux and NetBSD to the MIPS platform, and possibly OpenBSD as well (not sure). The only problem I see with the webtv unit is the fact that MIPS licenses the core to other companies, so each manufacturer's processor is slightly different. Registers are moved around, etc. The MIPS processor in the webtv is done by QED (http://www.qedinc.com), and there is no code for this particular version of the MIPS processor in any of the source trees I've looked at. It may not be necessary, as QED claims that their processor is pretty much a R4700, which is supported; just something to be aware of.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this further, the following links may be of help:

http://www.webtv.com the obvious place to start
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hpcmips geared towards MIPS based hpc/pdas, but should be about the same
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/newsmips Sony MIPS based network stations
http://www.fnet.fr/linux%2Dmips MIPS Linux pages
http://decstation.unix-ag.org Port of Linux to several older MIPS-based DECstations

Note that none of these probably supports webtv out of the box, but should give a general feel for the possibilities. Also, I doubt much work would be needed, if any, at least on the hpc netBSD port, as most winCE devices are about the same, IMHO.

05-05-2000 13:24:46

New MessageRE:what about the RCA one? (modified 0 times) diggum
I've got the old RCA webtv-type unit that I picked up from work about a year and a half ago. it's been sitting in a box but I'm thinking I may pull it ou and see what it's got inside of it as well.
05-05-2000 13:33:33

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Djunky
One more quick note for today, and I'm off to bug my uncle again.

I've noticed a couple of posts saying it can be done (check the old bbs message area), but everybody laughed and that was the end of it. If those original posters would repost, we might all get somewhere.

05-05-2000 13:50:03

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) emtnman
It's also handy to know that there are two mutually exclusive ports for MIPS-type machines... "MIPS" for those nice Silicone Graphics workstations and "MIPSel" for smaller MIPS devices like the Cobalt RAQ server. As I recall, it has something to do with the way the processor handles the memory's least significant bit (or something like that). More reading here:

http://www.linux.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html

05-05-2000 17:13:03

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) woohoo
At what porn shop can I check out the "silicone graphics"?? I'm awful lonely :(
05-06-2000 00:35:06

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) analrexic
ask any dyslexic what buttered copporn is like
05-06-2000 09:27:43

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Tweaker-Bell
I have a webTV (Sony WebTV Plus) that I've pulled apart a couple times. Since I'm not up for paying $20 a month for a stupid M$ service, it has been collecting dust. And, as is the fact with all idle electronics, it ended up going in for a little exploratory surgery.
Essentially, everything is on one board. I was hoping to salvage something out of it, but only the hard drive (2Gb) is removable. So for now it is serving as a video distribution box (converting S-video to RF)
However, I have often imagined a more glorious career for this box. It has some pretty cool features...
o 2 Gb hard drive
o Wireless keyboard
o S-video, RCA, and F type video (in/out)
o Slim, console-like box
o Quiet with no fan
o 'IR-blaster' and a couple other ports


I would love to get it running... Like I said, it is pretty useless now. I'm willing to try anything, but I haven't seen any suggestions specific to WebTV.

~b.

05-07-2000 21:40:23

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Curious
Can you access the hard drive thru the current OS? Have you tried to reflash the ROM with a different OS?
05-08-2000 12:55:08

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) sometime
Is there a way to flash the OS in a Webtv
05-11-2000 13:11:38

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) update
update?
05-15-2000 14:14:18

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
FYI, just wanted this thread to pop up to the surface for a bit.
Picked up a webtv plus on ebay for $35, still looking for a *nix or something hack.

Anyone want to get to together on this?

If there is interest, maybe Codeman would create an area for us.

At least lets try and pool are resources, maybe?

b_p

05-28-2000 22:32:51

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
FYI, I think all the new Web TV (Classic and Plus) do run WinCE, as they came after M$ bought out Web TV Networks....

ere is the hardware configuration for WebTV Plus:

Not sure which version this is for,
just that its for the enwer ones

8MB high-speed SDRAM
2MB mask ROM
1.08GB internal IDE hard drive
Video flicker elimination in hardware
Graphics write-back mode for extremely complex
screens (video games)
Screen display with Anti-aliased text
Integrated TV tuner
56k Modem

05-28-2000 22:57:37

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Curious
I picked one up from ebay for $42. I am waiting for delivery. Any help to run something other than webtv os would be appreciated. Thanks.
05-29-2000 07:09:11

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) El Barto
There are so many WebTV's out there though...different makers and such. I would assume different hardware in each of them?
05-29-2000 16:05:51

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) bad_packet
Actually, from what I know, there are maybe 2 standards.
One is from when they were made before M$ bought them out, one is from after.
However, they all seem to use the same reference design, with the Mips proc.

Just reading up a bit, and it looks like the NetBSD might be the way to go. NetBSD is the version of BSD which is supposed to be pretty actively suported on many different architectures, as compared to even Linux.

When I get mine, I'll probably start messing with it, hopefully we can get more info.

05-29-2000 17:37:36

New MessageWebTV specs (modified 0 times) bad_packet
Phillips/Magnavox Classic-Plus Comparison:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bridge/2200/plus2ad.html


Phillips Plus:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bridge/2200/plus2ad.html

Comparison of different Plus models, (hint: check out this guys site):
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bridge/2200/specsheetplus.html

Ok, enough useless information for the maybe 2 people even interested in hacking this thing.

05-29-2000 18:04:43

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) boopalooper
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So the Plus has an R5230?

Is this R5230 the same mentioned in the blurb below?



R4000 and R5000 family

Linux supports many of the members of the R4000 family. Currently, these are: R4000PC, R4400PC, R4300, R4600, R4700,R5000, R5230, R5260. Many others are probably supported as well.


http://www.europe.redhat.com/documentation/HOWTO/MIPS-HOWTO-3.php3

03-12-2001 03:29:43

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Steve
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An outlet store not too far away has the Sony INT-250 WebTV units for $15.

here's a link to the INT-250
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/office/webtvtminternetterminal/webtvtminternetterminal/int-w250_specs.shtml

12-20-2001 12:32:50

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Steve
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If there is interest I can pick some up for people. they had an INT-100 on display but they also had boxes labeled INT-250. I think they were both the same price - $14.75.
12-21-2001 07:56:19

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Programmer
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is there even a HD in the newer ones? I have yet to come across on with a drive..
12-21-2001 11:16:03

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Steve
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I don't think there is a hard drive in these models. from some
other posts it seems the "plus" models have a 2GB drive in them.
I don't think they have plus models there but I'll look for them
when I go down there. I can pick up one of the INT-250
models and take it apart but I'm not a hardware guy. I think
I'm going to go down there shortly to buy a pair of headphones.
I can pick up a unit for anyone who wants one for $15 and shipping.
a hard drive version would have better hacking potential though.
12-21-2001 14:24:36

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Steve
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it looks like the price includes the "sold seperately" wireless keyboard. an IR remote is already included with the INT-250 unit.

BTW, the INT-150 that was on display has a big "WebTV Port" connector on the side. it looked like something similar to a scsi-2 connector except maybe twice as wide.

12-22-2001 08:47:17

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Steve
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Well I finally bought one of these and opened it up. the price of the INT-250 unit was $30. (the $15 price was only for the smaller INT-150 which they didn't have.)

I put some pics of the motherboard on http://www.iterator.com/WebTV/pics

there is no hard disk inside but there is a spot on the m/b for a 40 pin header. there is also an M-Systems Disk-on-Chip. there is a Smart Card reader in the front of the unit.

12-23-2001 07:23:11

New MessageRE:WebTV Hack??? (modified 0 times) Dadr
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I also have a WebTV (INT W200) that I bought at a computer flea market for $10 - thinking that the drive would be worth that alone. Mine is without a remote or keyboard, so I never got any use out of it - even as a S-video-to-RF-convertor. I did a little research on the processor, and discovered that it may have a DSP core utilized to decode media streams. I also connected the hard drive to a "regular" computer, and was not able to sniff out any kind of standard format or even partitioning info. The device *could be* a decent MP3 player, but would need an OS that can deal with a parallel port Ethernet adapter. Anyway, It looked like too much in terms of custom drivers for me to be inclined to continue hacking it.

I can state that this unit does boot from the HD, then spins it down. Presumably it would spin it up again to store e-mail or cache web pages. Without a remote, it just boots, then goes into soft-off mode.

12-26-2001 19:41:00

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