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Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) begrantii Profile I wouldlike to try to set up a wireless network but can't find a really good how-to publication that outlines all of he necessary ingredients. Could someone please help? 03-19-2003 04:53:55

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) rfgeek Profile These links have a lot of info http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/FrontPage http://www.bawug.org/ and some others from my site http://meshnet.sourceforge.net/ Read around those sites and see if that answers some of the questions. What type of network are you thinking of setting up? 03-20-2003 02:09:21

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile it's driving me NUTS i set up winxp home version machine with netgear ma101 usb wireless and a win98se laptop with orinoco silver pc card and t200 pen tablet with netgear ma401 pc card only laptop and winxpbox can talks and transfers files using netbios but winxp box won't give out dhcp seting to both laptop or t200 ,all has tcp/ip protocols installed and 2 set for dchp auto config and winxp box set for manual ip setting in order to send dchp assigning to both portables . is it because being a winxp home edition ? should i upgrade to winxp pro? my theory is both portable can use same point without need for an access point base? i'd like to use the pen tablet suring the net while sitting on toliet passing time :) 03-20-2003 19:04:02

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) begrantii Profile rfgeek I am thinking of running a 802.11b or .g paid access system. I am trying to get people to leave cable and go with wireless. I am just in the planning stages though and don't really have a handle on what I need to do to set everything up. 03-21-2003 19:34:00

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) rfgeek Profile The problem with going commercial with this is that the free mesh network will put you out of business in short order. You should also be prepared to receive the rath of people who have their net connection cut off because one of your nodes crashes. It isn't a easy thing to do and you should have a firm grasp on all the technology, including packet routing and 802.11 protocol. The point is, don't start a icecream store if you aren't willing to scoop icecream. The mesh is a community thing, people helping other people by sharing their resources. 03-22-2003 17:08:53

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) begrantii Profile Thanks rfgeek for your input. I am marketing the wireless internet access to businesses and individuals who want a more secure network than the mesh method offers. These people do not want to rely on a hobbyist connection method that may disappear when one gets bored of the technology or has to move. Most people will have trouble if a link in the mesh fails also so I don't see your point there. From what I can see, the mesh method is a hacker's paradise, all those pc's with little or no access control or security. I am writing this from a wireless internet connection and routinely have people trying to gain access to my pc's. Yes I understand the difficulties in starting a business and dealing with both RF and networking. I have the RF experience and my partner has the networking experience. How many people in the mesh community have the resources to offer a DS-3 conneciton to the internet for others to use for free? Most people as just sharing a cable or dsl connection which may be illegal (check your contract). I am offering a DS-3 connection which would be shared by 100 to 500 people per node depending on the mix of business to personal and traffic. How can the mesh put me out of business? Why are there no more free dial-up ISP's? Some people will pay for a service rather than receive one for free, you get what you pay for. 03-24-2003 08:43:53

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) begrantii Profile Thanks rfgeek for your input. I am marketing the wireless internet access to businesses and individuals who want a more secure network than the mesh method offers. These people do not want to rely on a hobbyist connection method that may disappear when one gets bored of the technology or has to move. Most people will have trouble if a link in the mesh fails also so I don't see your point there. From what I can see, the mesh method is a hacker's paradise, all those pc's with little or no access control or security. I am writing this from a wireless internet connection and routinely have people trying to gain access to my pc's. Yes I understand the difficulties in starting a business and dealing with both RF and networking. I have the RF experience and my partner has the networking experience. How many people in the mesh community have the resources to offer a DS-3 conneciton to the internet for others to use for free? Most people as just sharing a cable or dsl connection which may be illegal (check your contract). I am offering a DS-3 connection which would be shared by 100 to 500 people per node depending on the mix of business to personal and traffic. How can the mesh put me out of business? Why are there no more free dial-up ISP's? Some people will pay for a service rather than receive one for free, you get what you pay for. 03-24-2003 09:48:27

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) vwbug19 Profile you repeating same message twice huh? 03-24-2003 13:37:17

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) rfgeek Profile Your original post sounded like you didn't have a clue about wireless, now you say you know all about it, what gives? When enough people put up meshnodes, reliability will be good due to the nature of the mesh system. Any wireless network is prone to hacking, that's why it's better if it's open and free. Besides, if you want to make a profit from the public's airwaves, go pay for a license for your own frequency. In the near future the internet will begin to be the bottle neck. Every want-to-be out there is trying to start his own wireless "get rich quick" ISP right now. They all think they have thought of something no one else has. By time you start up, everyone else will be trying to and, well you figure it out. If you can't find anything better to invest your time/money on, my suggestion is to find a way to make money on this new concept of a high speed local net at 100Mbps or more and a butt slow internet. I am looking down the road maybe two years or so, how far are you looking? 03-25-2003 01:19:55

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) begrantii Profile Sorry about the double post, the system keeps telling me I have not filled out the nick name? and won't let me post unless I log out then back in? I didn't mean to antagonize anyone or impinge on their beliefs. I think there is enough room for free networks and paid internet access. If I fail then that is my business. I also believe that hackers could care less if a system is free and open or if it is a paid system. I have been attacked from Taiwan and I don't think they knew that I was paying for my wireless internet access. I said that I know RF (specifically RADAR and Microwave transmission) not wi-fi. The websites listed are good plug and play sites, but I would like to know the meat of the technology and the distribution schemes. I am not trying to get rich quick. Our focus is on provideing high speed internet access at a low cost maybe even equal to dial-up service. We want only to recoup our costs and earn a living like everyone else. If you are so righteous, why do you charge your boss for the services you perform? It wouldn't be fair for you to work for free if someone else got paid would it? I bet you rfgeek pay for water like everyone else even though it is a free resource. We are in a capitalist society and must operate in it to survive. We only try not to lose our perspective, ethics, and morals in doing so. In other words, sell but do not sell out. We each have our own priorities and have our own ways we give back to society. You choose free mesh networks and I choose other ways. I wish you the best success in getting the mesh up in your area. Bernie 03-25-2003 07:43:09

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) rfgeek Profile I just hate to see anyone lose their life savings when they don't have to. Good luck to you. Just remember that it doesn't cost much to mesh a whole town, and the cost is covered by each node owner, so there's really no overhead and no reason to "charge". If enough people "leak" the internet to the mesh, it would be the same as a DS-3/OC3 connection or better. Never the less, if you want to look over the insides of this, AODV is the main protocol used right now, it basicly sets up route tables as nodes come online, and 802.11b is the protocol for the radios. http://search.ietf.org/cgi-bin/htsearch?words=aodv&restrict=http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ http://alpha.fdu.edu/~kanoksri/IEEE80211b.html and you may want to do more research before you bet the farm on your ISP idea. "Last week New York-based Joltage became the latest casualty. The founders of the company, which was launched early last year, had hoped to assemble "the world's largest footprint over unregulated bandwidth," along the way becoming the wireless Internet service provider (wISP) of choice for bandwidth-hungry consumers." "Unfortunately, even the relatively cheap price of Joltage's service wasn't cheap enough. With too few customers, Joltage chairman Andrew Weinreich sent an e-mail last week stating that the company would discontinue operations." http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,,47680,00.html 03-25-2003 14:41:24

RE:Wireless How-to? (modified 0 times) rfgeek Profile you may want to look at what is happening in other areas, and how many nodes are already up and/or how many people are willing to put up a node. See sydney (700+) or perth (600+): http://www.nodedb.com/ 03-25-2003 15:15:20

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