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New MessagePossible upgrade CPU for WSP??? (modified 0 times) Frakas
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I was looking around the net trying to find a cpu that might fit into the WSP and came across the varying flavors of Geode processors from National Semiconductor. The one in the WSP seems to be the Geode GXM based on older .35 micron technology.

The specs:

Packaged in: 352-Terminal Ball Grid Array (BGA) or 320-Pin Staggered Pin Grid Array (SPGA) 0.35-micron four layer metal CMOS process Split rail design (3.3V I/O and 2.9V core)

32-Bit x86 Processor

Supports the MMX instruction set extension for the acceleration of multimedia applications
Speeds offered up to 266 MHz
16 KB unified L1 cache

National also lists a Geode processor, the GX1 with the following interesting specs:

Packaging:
352-Terminal Ball Grid Array (BGA) or
320-Pin Staggered Pin Grid Array (SPGA)
0.18-micron four layer metal CMOS process
Split rail design:

Available 1.6V, 1.8V, 2.0V, or 2.2V core
3.3V I/O interface

Speeds up to 333 MHz

Now I'm wondering if this chip would work in the WSP with a voltage adapter. Since it's built around a .18 micron process (two full die shrinks) I'd expect it should overclock extremely well, possibly to the 500 Mhz range depending on what kind of setting would be available on the WSP or voltage adapter itself. If anyone knows anything about this chip please post here. I might just buy one and try it out, it should at least let you run the WSP at 233 or so without a fan.

03-09-2001 15:47:48

New MessageRE:Possible upgrade CPU for WSP??? (modified 0 times) ttn1
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I looked at these chips as well. You definitely want the pin grid array chips. The websurfer manual has settings for 2.0V and above. It may require board modification to get voltages of less than 2V. The geode looks like it would work but I'm not absolutely sure. The only way to test it would be to try one. I didn't find an easy way to get one. It appears they are only sold in bulk to developers and manufacturers. It would be nice to find a way to get some samples though. I may look into it when I have more time.

ttn2

03-10-2001 12:35:02

New MessageRE:Possible upgrade CPU for WSP??? (modified 0 times) Frakas
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What probably wasn't clear is that the voltage increases as you clock the GX1 higher, the WSP has 2.0 and above and to get the rated 333 MHz on the chip it requires a 2.2V core. The lower clock speed chips are given lower voltage because they're designed to be used in battery powered devices, in general, and to compete directly with offerings from Transmeta.

I anticipate clocking one of these to 450+ would likely require a very serious active cooler and around 2.5V to the core. Also, (while I don't have the link with me now, it's on my laptop) I found a source for single quantities of these chips for $84/each and I'll post it as soon as I get home.

-frakas (envisioning a WSP at 450 MHz and an old Voodoo 3 playing Quake 2)

03-10-2001 12:55:55

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The best the WSP will do is 330 Mhz without board modifications. The highest multiplier is 10X and the highest front side bus is 33Mhz. Although the reason I was looking into the chips was for the lower heat.

I am running one of my WSP as a gateway for my cable modem with 2 network cards in it. Just using a big heatsink on the cpu, no fan. I'm using the DOC to boot linux router project and it works great. Completely silent gateway and very configurable. The heatsink gets pretty hot though.

My other WSP is a webserver. I built a mount for a 10GB laptop drive in front of the power supply. This one has an ISA harddrive controller and a network card in it. It was getting a little too hot, with the large heatsink and no fan, so I added a 1"x1" fan to the side of the heatsink blowing towards the harddrive. The fan is quieter than the harddrive and works quite well at reducing the temperature.

Since I'm looking for low power and low heat these cpus might be worth the money.

Some pictures and a little explanation at http://kroll.penguinpowered.com/~jjkroll/linux/linux.html .
This is running on my WSP webserver.

ttn2

03-10-2001 16:56:57

New MessageRE:Possible upgrade CPU for WSP??? (modified 0 times) Frakas
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It's possible to get the WSP bus speed up to 75 or 83 MHz through a tip I was on this bbs, it requires a very minor mod to the clock generator (shorting two pins together). Also it might be possible to use softfsb to up the bus speed accordingly.

-frakas

03-10-2001 19:10:40

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