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Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looked?
Seems like those $49 cheapo WebTVs with NO TOS would be the way to go, if they worked.

New MessageRelated Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looked? (modified 0 times) RandyJRS
Has anyone looked inside a regular WebTV unit to investigate its hack-potential? Just curious to know if the thing is a regular PC inside like the IO and Websurfer... Anyone know??
04-27-2000 21:29:00

New MessageRE:Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? (modified 0 times) JD+Sal
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that knows anything on this issue. I don't really want to go out and blow $50 to tear one of these apart if someone already knows it can't be hacked.

I checked out the spec sheets at http://www.webtv.net but I still don't know the actual makeup of the guts of the things. What the hell's inside?

I remember hearing that older models of the "WebTV Plus" have a 1 Gig HD built-in. If it's hackable, it might be worth digging around for one. I think they sell for around $200 retail, but you could probably find one used for around $50 on eBay.

04-28-2000 23:33:14

New MessageRE:What's inside a regular WebTV ? (modified 0 times) curious2
I don't have access to a webTV, but its web site does give a few clues.

http://www.webtv.net/products/classic/specs.html

Looking at the Sony INT-W150, we have:

Processor is a MIPS R5230 (Not PC processor) 150 MHz

RAM : 8MB
ROM : 2MB
FLASH: 4MB

Here's a link to the a 5230 processor manufacturer:

http://www.qedinc.com/5230.htm

There's probably no room inside the Sony for a disk drive...

No help on the real guts on the thing, need to rip one open.

04-29-2000 06:33:23

New MessageRE:What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looked? (modified 0 times) smigs
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I just picked one of the classics up at OD for $9.66 and there does not look like much that can be done. I can post pictures if there is an interest!

smigs

04-16-2001 20:45:14

New MessageRE: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looked? (modified 0 times) DoS4WhO
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Yes! Please crack it open and post pics !!!!
Thanks :}

~m

04-18-2001 08:12:02

New MessagePLus + Reg (modified 0 times) compbrain
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Hey-
I am try aand get my great uncles webtv plus. (the one w/ the HD.) Also iam gonna try and open the plus and regular and post pics ASAP. if i get the plus open, ill try and install an OS.

-Compbrain

10-21-2001 16:21:11

New MessageRE:Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looke (modified 0 times) jayrelay
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just recieved two of them from ebay....1 cent each plus around 20$ for shipping.
I was hoping to run somthing like jailbait on a memory card. do you still need pics of the inside??
06-02-2004 10:48:03

New MessageRE:Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looke (modified 0 times) Svartalf
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> Processor is a MIPS R5230 (Not PC processor) 150 MHz

That's cool. Linux will run on MIPS. So long as you got access to the info for
the video chip, or it could be bludgeoned into a raw framebuffer you could probably
cobble up something for it that would run. However, this chip's NOT a barn burner
by any stretch of the imagination- something in the ballpark of a Pentium 166 or so.
It's biggest claim to fame is that it's capable of doing this level of performance
without needing a heatsink and operating in extended temperature ranges under those
conditions.

> RAM : 8MB
> ROM : 2MB
> FLASH: 4MB

This pretty much KILLS any ideas of trying to run anything useful on them. WinCE
1.0 could sort of run in that sort of playground- but WinCE 1.0 isn't terribly useful.
Linux will run in that space, but you're limited to mostly router stuff unless you
figure out how to hack in some more RAM and FLASH along with tricking their bootloader
to load your Linux distribution. They're using a specialized embedded OS and a custom
browser on these things from what I understand. You might be able to bludgeon ViewML
and eCos/RTEMS onto these things, but they're far, far too crippled for anything but
a technomasochist's toy.

I'd skip paying $49 for them. WebTV's pretty much a bad idea (flawed from the get-
go because most TV's _SUCK_ at displaying text, etc.) and there's much more usable
things to tinker with because you can. If you're interested and can get them for the
slim price of $1-5 you might be going somewhere- but not for $49.

06-06-2004 16:31:18

New Messageonly paid one cent each +S/H .... (modified 0 times) jayrelay
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sounds like a challange.....
i'll let you know how it goes....
06-06-2004 22:10:03

New MessageRe: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looked? (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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>> Processor is a MIPS R5230 (Not PC processor) 150 MHz

This is a QED (now PMC Sierra) MIPS CPU, mostly found in set-top boxes. It's more like a 486/75 in performance than a P166.

If you want a more PC-like, hackable, set-top box that uses this same CPU, look for the ATI Set-Top Wonder. The Southbridge and most peripherals are exactly the same as a PC on the ATI box.

In any event, the GCT/Allwell (Websurfer Pro) boxes utterly obliterate any of the MIPS boxes in performance as well as features, while being x86-compatible.

06-08-2004 00:13:57

New MessageRE:Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looke (modified 0 times) Svartalf
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I'd have to largely concur on that one. The MIPS box I've recently been working on at the same clock speed was in the ballpark of a P133-166 in performance, that's why I said what I said on the subject. As for the Allwell boxes...

A 1030 (WebSurfer Pro), 1030N has a higher clock speed and a higher stated performance than all the fielded MIPS based set-tops, but it too
is horrifically crippled compared to something along the lines of an EPIA board. The Geode/MediaGX CPU in them has a 33MHz FSB. Yes, you
read that right- 33MHz. While the clock speeds are at 233 or 266 under normal design operation (we won't go into overclocking these things to
300 or 333, which is possible...) the overall performance is in the 133-166MHz range when you couple the machine with PC-100 or better SDRAM-
because of the relatively low FSB speed and lack of L2/L3 cache.

This doesn't mean that they're not useful or that you shouldn't get one if you get a bargain on them (~$35-45 for a WebSurfer Pro, ~50-65 for a
1030N). They make excellent web servers for small to medium load sites. They make excellent Smoothwall or comparable router/firewall boxes.
They make nice household or workgroup servers if you wedge in one of the modern laptop IDE drives and add 128 or 256Mb of RAM in them. Other
applications are going to be kind of a mixed bag because of the crippled FSB.

06-28-2004 11:47:15

New MessageRe: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49? (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
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> They make excellent web servers for small to medium load sites. They make excellent Smoothwall or comparable router/firewall boxes. They make nice household or workgroup servers if you wedge in one of the modern laptop IDE drives and add 128 or 256Mb of RAM in them.

I run Routerlinux (by Tony J. White) on the DoC. This is a cut-down, slackware-like, router-centric distro that is only about 11 MB and runs with rootfs read-only. You can pull the plug on it any time and reboot, nothing will happen to the install & setup. It's one of most robust minimal Linux distros based on busybox & uClibc that I've seen. Configuration is done using ssh & vi, like all real Unix men do. Webmin is for wimps.

What I've done recently is to build Samba 2.2.9 against the Routerlinux libraries, in particular uClibc-0.9.17. I have a minimal Samba that's a 3.7 MB binary tarball, and installs comfortably in the remaining 5 MB on the Routerlinux DoC (There's lots of tricks to ensure that the Samba daemons generate a minimum amount of writeable output to ramdisk, which I'm still playing around with).

As you mentioned, with a 2.5" harddisk (only for the Samba shares, not the executables) and some memory, you get a virtually bulletproof workgroup server. The added value comes from the fact that you can power-cycle it with impunity, and the only things that will be lost are writes-in-progress on the Samba share. This is taken care of using a journaled filesystem (work in progress).

Unfortunately, the Routerlinux website seems to be down; fortunately, the code & install image itself are mirrored elsewhere - search Google. Some documentation is no longer available.

I can't think of very many pieces of HW/SW that can challege the main franchises of both Cisco & Microsoft at the same time, in a small, reliable, fully configurable $50 box.

Hats off to everybody who made this possible.

06-29-2004 00:05:33

New MessageRE:Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV @ $49 & no TOS? Is it Linux-capable? Anyone looke (modified 0 times) newbee
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Hope this isn't an obsolete thread. I just bought a philips magnavox internet TV receiver #mat972a101 for $1 at Surpluscomputer's garage sale. It had a 1G 3.5" hard drive and 8 Mish DRAM (looks EDO) and two PROM looking chips in it. It's processor looking chip says WebTV Solo1.. What could it do ? It got AC power supply in the box but didn't come with power cable. (well, with $1, what do you expect ? I don't even expect the 1G harddrive to work. :) But the cable and mounting chassis are OK.
It's born in 1998. So we shouldn't expect too much out of it though.

Hope there are some people who know this box enough to let it do something useful other than trying to login to webtv through its built-in phone jack.

Amazingly enough this doesn't have the ubiquitous "Made in China" sign on it. :)

05-21-2005 15:51:06

New MessageRE:Related Topic: What's inside a regular WebTV (modified 0 times) dale
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Well i bought a Phillips Magnavox WebTV Plus kit fro a garage sale it was only 2$. Its like brand new going to plug it into my TV tuner card see what happens. The model is MAT972 When i hooked it up just wanted to now if i moved then it wanted to connect to the net to setup service i think never puged the phone wire...it sounds like a computer ckicking and klanking of a hard drive...noww going to take it apart...i have pics but don't think i can post them here
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10-30-2006 20:14:31

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