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Is the Websurfer really worth hacking??
Is the Websurfer really worth hacking??

New MessageIs the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) Jimbo
I can understand hacking the I-Opener because of the form factor and all. However, is it really worth hacking this thing? Sure, it has a wireless keyboard and hooks up to your TV, but have any of you really considered the specs of this thing before diving in?

Let's consider, for the sake of comparison, that we have to buy all the necessary parts to make this a computer. The unit itself is ~$54.00 with tax if you are lucky enough to escape the posted TOS. On top of that, you need to buy an ISA IDE controller, ~$22 with tax. You also need a hard drive, ~$75 for a 6Gb. Plus if you want to run it at any respectable speed, you have to up the memory to at least 64Mb, ~$55. If you add that up, all of a sudden that $49 machine that you bought now costs you a little over $200.

Also, looking at the specs of this machine out-of-the-box, it only has 1Mb video RAM, 16Mb RAM, Cyrix 180Mhz CPU (probably equivelant to P133 performance-wise), ISA components and limited upgradeability. This sounds like something on par with what I could find at a used computer store for around $75 all-inclusive. Sure, that used Packard Bell P.O.S. that I would get would not have the cool case that this thing does nor have the wireless keyboard, but it will have a CDROM and a floppy drive.

I'm not looking to start any flame wars, I just want to figure out the thinking behind this. If everyone is doing this just for the hack value of performing the mod, then I kind of understand the reasoning. But value-wise, this is not a very good decision. The I-Opener was great because it contained hack-value as well as true value. Even though the I-Opener is being sold at $99, it is obviously worth a hell of a lot more. I honestly don't know if this Websurfer is worth anything more than what they are selling at given the closed architecture of the system.

Please, can someone enlighten me as to why these are popular all of a sudden, or is everyone just jumping on the bandwagon so as not to feel left out?

Jimbo

04-28-2000 02:41:44

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) hardware1
Answer: It's fun! That's why!

Where were you when the Apple II came out?

04-28-2000 03:37:29

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) stepson
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The only reason I got one (er, two ;)) is just for the fun of hacking one ... just something to pass the time, and maybe to have a computer easily hooked up to my TV (Ok, well, I have a Matrox G400 MAX, so I could use that too, but my computer is big and not near the TV). I missed out on the IO fun, which I'm still pissed about, and I've been itching to hack into some hardware for a while now. Sure you could get a used Packard Smell for about the same price, but it'll be old and boring.
04-28-2000 06:13:33

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) Zippideedoodah
Dont forget the TV out function. I intebd to turn mine into a games console using emulators .
04-28-2000 06:18:46

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) Mynnyme
Jimbo - is that you?
--Vit
04-28-2000 06:55:20

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) MoTLD
I took the 2 WebSurfers I got for my best friend to his house last night (out of the 5 I was able to get at CUSA). He had been trying to talk his fiance into letting him set up an MP3 player in the bedroom, but she was firmly against it. Surprisingly, though, she OK'd the idea of a retrofitted WebSurfer hooked up to the TV in the bedroom. Her reason? It doesn't _look_ like a computer. It's slick and modern looking and fits well into a stereo cabinet or entertainment center, and not needing a screen at all (so long as you have a TV nearby) makes it completely unobtrusive. The wireless keyboard is another perfect feature to this end. Sure, the IO's very cool looking (I got one of those, too ;) and has great hack value, but this fits a different niche: a quiet, hidden, non-computer-looking computer in the living room, bedroom, etc. It was a curiosity at $200, but it's downright useful at $50.

Anyway, just my take on it, and my reasoning for getting 'em.

-Mo

04-28-2000 06:57:45

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) Jimbo
Ahhh... I think I see why people are buying these now. :) However, personally, I now have 8 computers in my two bedroom townhome (two of them being I-Openers), and I really don't think that I would ever get MY money's worth out of this. I have a computer hooked up to my network almost within arm's reach of wherever I go in my house! Besides, I wouldn't want others to think that I'm a geek now! :) But, yes, this is the answer to having a computer without LOOKING like you have one. This is what we wished we could've done with the WebTV.

To Mynnyme, nope, this is a different Jimbo.

04-28-2000 07:24:15

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) webpimp
Here's my take.
The case and wireless keyboard make this thing better looking than any other
computers I own. I understand you can overclock it to 233, then with $50 for a 64 mg stick you can have a decent linux/win98 box for hacking, wireless goofing, etc...

The iopener is cool, but I missed that train, so I got two of the websurfer pro's..

04-28-2000 11:43:20

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) JayDaSinnFeinPimp
Same reason why I slap a $2500 supercharger on my Honda Civic,,,, 1. Because I can 2. Because its fun. 3. Because I can....... Did I mention BECAUSE I CAN.......
04-28-2000 11:48:20

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) I bought 4 jimbo....
Hey Jimbo I bought 4...I also have a vast collection of used parts like hard drives,Ram,etc,etc,I like playing with these types of toys It's very educational.
04-28-2000 12:04:20

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) gopher
pussy whipped bastard, tell that bitch that she can deal with the MP3
player or you will cut her off from sex. wear the pants dude, jeezus....
04-28-2000 12:38:46

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) psychoexplorer
hay kids do you remember hacking police scanners to get cell phones calls. my tools have been collecting dust for years. now i can use them again. thanks people.
04-28-2000 13:25:34

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) FoOL
Or even better using the same scanner to intercept your soon to be ex-girlfreinds pages from her new boyfriend.
04-28-2000 14:25:39

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) HiRez
Is the Websurfer worth hacking?? My answer is a resounding "Hell Yes!" ... Why? Like the guy said about the mountain, "Because It's there." .. Now look, kiddies, I may date my self here but my first 'puter was a Timex/Sinclair-Z80 It came as a KIT with an amazing 2Kb of RAM, Yes I said Kb. Fully expanded it hade 16Kb ... OOOW, Ahhh, Ohhhh! Was it worth building? Sure was! I learned alot... Years later I had a Tandy 1000TL/2 (you can stop laughing now), It's claim to fame was that it had an IDE connection right on the mobo. Slaped a 20Mb in there, and then took a look at the ISA slots, and a RLL card I had laying around, and two Seagate 20M MFM drives collecting dust, slapped them in and damn if it didn't work, Well kids, it did! 'sfunny thing when you put a MFM drive on a RLL card, you add about 50% to the drives capacity.... the 20Mb drives were now 32Mb Wooo, Hooo! Ok, so I voided the warranty, but so what. Having 80Mb in the late '80's was a wonderful thing... So is the WS woth hacking... sure it is... If I thought I could take a HP-35, and a few inexpencive parts and turn it ito a Cray, I'd sure as hell try!
05-03-2000 20:57:30

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) Hawk-I
This was the perfect form factor for my Grandparents. They have never used a comp before and are a bit intimidated. But this allows them to sit in their easy-chairs use email/buy stuff from the web/play Solitaire just like if they were watching TV. I also got another one that plan to use strictly as an MP3 player. I guess its worth it for certain applications, and just for the fun of hacking it.

What's the next project Codeman???

05-04-2000 07:33:18

New MessageRE:Is the Websurfer really worth hacking?? (modified 0 times) Mr. Pute
I purchased mine for a car multimedia solution. It's in the mail right now. Does anybody out there know if I can remove the DOC and place a DVD drive onto the controller with my hard drive???
05-08-2000 16:44:38

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