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Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO To all WSP owners, do not trade more than 1 WSP for an IO... just to make sure that you don't lower the value of your WSP... either way, there should be a shipment of gooed IO coming in to east coast soon (early may) Bottom line = 1 WSP for 1 IO 05-01-2000 09:47:21

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO Keep in mind that you CAN'T get another one for less then $249.99 now, whereas you can get the IO for $99.99. 05-01-2000 09:55:39

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) nice try luzer 250 bux for the websurfer pro??? Somebody scammed you my man. The web surfer Pro isn't worth nearly as much as an I-Opener. My guess is you're one of those people trying to trade a rather useless WSP for an IO. Supply and demand baby. I live about 2 blocks from a CompUSA with 23 or 24 WSP left. This thing is getting nowhere near the attention that the IO got. You might wanna try eBay for youe scams. People here aren't as gullible. 05-01-2000 10:14:36

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) seamonkey I guess for the owner of a WSP, this should be the right attitude, I personally own one of each (IO and WSP) and when I went back to CompUSA, they told me that the Iopeners are coming in May 5th... although thats like the 5th delay since April 1st, however, it is true that CompUSA won't honor the WSP for 49.99 anymore unless the contract is signed on the spot. In addition when i checked the Garden City, NY CompUSA, if you buy the WSP for 49.99 you are not eligible for the 200 rebate even if you signed the contract. The rebate is supposely given to you when you pay the 49.99 instead of the 249.99. And according to the sales dude, he told me that if I pay for the IO in cash, he don't care what kind of info I give him. *ideas, ideas* 05-01-2000 11:43:04

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO just to clarify something, i am not trying to scam anybody here, i agree that it cost more to build and IO then WSP, however all i wanted to say is that its not wise to trade away your WSP(s) this early for an IO when we are not even sure how much WSP should go for. For 250, i agree its too much for an WSP, its probably how more then it would cost to build one, but for those who want to trade 2 WSP for 1 IO, maybe its better idea to wait it out... its not like people out there can get anymore WSP at 49.99 anymore... at least not easily. whoever think i am scamming people, especially the person who lives 2 blocks away from CompUSA, please list the place and the store phone number for everyone who is reading this thread where you can still get the WSP for 49.99. if you don't like to share, i understands... check the following link to see the pricing for WSP, you will see what I mean. http://www.websurfer.com/Buy/buy.html 05-01-2000 11:57:50

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) ssw207 I agree, because you can still get those I-Openers for $99. But for the WSP? go to CompUSA and argue with them to sell you one for $49.99. I'm sure the security will boot you out in no time. Talking about supply and demand (I'm an Economist) in regards to the previous posts, currently there is an excess of supply of WSPs, but since the number of WSPs for sale at $49.99 is fixed, in the long run the WSP prices will surely increase. The reverse happens for the I-Opener. Yes, demand is very high but in the long run supply will increase, therefore prices are likely to remain stable, if not falling. Just my $0.02. 05-01-2000 12:14:20

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO thank you... finally understands what i meant, and one more thing, for everyone out there thats trying to buy a WSP, just a note to you, all CUSA stores received a note regarding about its price change and will not honor the 49.99 unless you signed the damn contract. just went to store and checked. they don't seem too willing to sell that sucker for 249.99 either. 05-01-2000 13:25:36

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) newb oh boy, the WSP is really worth $250. ever heard of the book PC. I got on put together for $250.. let's see what comes with it: celeron 300 32 M RAM CD-rom 10/100 ethernet 56k modem TV out/VGA out sound cards KB (not wireless) hum... I can't decide what I should get... yes the WSP is a little smaller than a bookPC, not much though... don't let an excitement get you the math. and yes, I have 2 IO, each cost me about $350 (after mod, 6 GIG HD, USB ethernet), but the IO got a flat panel. And yes I do like the WSP too. wish I have a few more to give to my parents and my girlfriend parents, but they can live without it. Hum.. supply and demand.. and want to trade their IO for my 1 WSP?... hehehehe 05-01-2000 19:16:08

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) bjh79 I'm tempted to just put my one Websurfer Pro up on eBay and use the money to preorder an I-Opener from CompUSA... Or, I think I might go to Circuit City and ask if they have any "extra" I-Openers from people who cancelled their orders ;) It's very ironic - the websurfer pro is more upgradable and feature-rich (standard DIMM sockets, standard ISA/PCI slots, VGA out, Audio Out, TV Out, wireless keyboard) than the I-Opener and it's worth less because the I-Opener has a stylish form factor and a flat screen with a poor refresh rate. If I didn't have a specific need for an I-Opener, I'd keep my Websurfer Pro. 05-02-2000 03:36:59

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO I am happy for all of you here that already have an WSP, what you like to use it for its entirely up to you people. Being a WSP owner myself, I just wanted to remind the real WSP owners that its no longer possible to get a "pre-built" bookpc in newb points of view for 49.99, again... I am not saying that the WSP is worth 249.99, but mind you that we can't get them for 49.99 anymore... so why don't we make the value of a WSP at least equal to an IO? I mean, nobody in the right mind would sell an IO for 99.99, why would someone trade away their WSP at a 49.99 value? Is the premium really worth it for getting an IO? Apperantly for the ones who are willing to trade IO for WSP, they really want one... and they don't have one yet... use it to your own advantage. 05-02-2000 07:36:08

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO BTW, for those who don't agree with me, my assumption is that you don't have an WSP yet right? If u do already, how does my thread affect you? Why are you ppl so negative over other ppl's ideas? Grow up... and if you don't like WSP, go play with your bookpc. 05-02-2000 07:52:13

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO I was only referring to the two negative replies... 05-02-2000 07:55:17

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO board rule, no ads... although i don't mind, but i would hate to let this thread end... 05-02-2000 12:24:00

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Azul Bahaha.. I'd much rather own a Iopener any day before a WSP. Those things are great and all for $49 but thats about all. At most on Ebay they will remain near $150 since they can easily be picked up at a store for $200. Iopeners currently still run for about twice that. Besides I was about to trade one of my Iopeners for a few WSP, but I couldn't bring myself to doing it. I just did not see the value of the trade. As far as Iopeners are still avaiable for $99 at any store. Im not sure where you guys have been, but they are still back ordered as hell at every store. You guys are just the complainers who still have not received a single Iopener yet. 05-02-2000 14:49:14

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO Azul, its okay if you don't want to trade away your IO for a WSP. The issue is that its still a decent deal if not a steal at $100, regardless of how much it cost in the beginning. Why are you jumping to conclusions when you don't even know the point of this thread? Theres nothing personal here, but it would be nice to see the value of WSPs don't decline for the WSP owners and as for IOs... well we all know its availbity now, just a matter of time for the WSP now. The only reason I started this thread was because I saw the increasing amount of people trying to trade multiple WSP away for one IO... besides, my impression is that you don't care much about WSP anyway, don't instigate in this thread please. Let us WSP owners decide what we should do to out WSPs... thanks. 05-02-2000 17:15:58

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Azul Well see Im trying to troll down you Websurfer owners from becoming united, so I can get an offer for three websurfers for one Iopener. 05-02-2000 20:09:22

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO I guess you should be nicer to khc200, he seemed to be the only one who have extra to sell on this thread... 05-03-2000 05:02:56

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 Thanks, seems like these things goes for about 200 a piece... believe it or not. I have sold 2 already on yahoo. 05-03-2000 18:13:17

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Garg I still have two websurfers available for trade, all I want is an i-opener. garg@paraggarg.com 05-03-2000 20:25:59

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 if you sell the websurfer for 200 a piece, you can get an iopener and get to keep the other WSP for yourself. 05-04-2000 09:02:43

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 then again its your WSP, i am just suggesting... besides, shouldn't you be requesting at the IO board rather then here? maybe you can find some IO owners that are willing to trade. 05-04-2000 14:35:39

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Azul I dont understand why would anyone in their right mind pay $200 for somthing you could pick up at the store for the same price? 05-04-2000 15:39:56

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Linuxguru Aha, but now it's getting hard to find at even $199 at the store. It is no longer available without the service, at any price, at many CompUSA stores. So it's effectively a $600+ unit now. But the I-Opener is still a $99 unit, even with the backorders. I'm willing to sit patiently and wait. Besides, I really want the wireless keyboard and TV out functionality, and the unit is relatively easier to hack and more versatile (because of the PCI/ISA slot and ample room inside the case). 05-04-2000 20:04:44

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 I am going to keep my last one to myself, this time with the WSP, I really had fun hacking it. Simple and to the point. Didn't even bother to soilder the pins on the IDE, used a IDE card instead... slapped in 128MB of sdram, run a old beatup 1.2gig HDD and a 16x CDROM... overall this thing runs faster then a IO and is a lot more use then a IO. Got all the ports needed... can't beat that. IO is a cute machine... mine is simply a winamp terminal... and since I use win98 on the IO, the winamp chokes when use some fancy plugin... sort of defeats the purpose of the LCD. 05-05-2000 11:36:07

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 AZUL, if you really want one this bad and hangs around on this board all this time... go get one from Compusa, you will agree for $200, it might not be a steal... but still a good deal with all the bells and whistles, given you have some useless parts laying around that you can throw in this machine. Besides, once you play around with this, you will agree why some people will actually want multiple WSPs for network rather then chaining up bunch of IOs... IOs are cute... but you never heard people wanting to buy more then 1 unless they are buying at 99 with no contract. In my case, I bought 5 WSP and decided to sell 4 of them because I already have too many computers at home and I just don't have time to use all of them, given that I decided to sell them on Yahoo. 05-05-2000 11:42:23

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 bookpc is for wussies... nice try for squeezing an ad on the post... 05-06-2000 11:40:56

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) netpliancesux how much would you people pay for an IO? I am deciding if I should get the next shipment of IO. (I have already reserved 20.) Don't know if its worth the trouble, want to get some feedback here. Thanks. 05-07-2000 11:46:08

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 IO = $99 + (hard to get premium) = $200 WSP = (old price=$49, new price $249 at compusa) Daily moving average = $225 05-07-2000 12:11:10

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Grumpy khc200 says "bookpc is for wussies". How true. It's just right for us wussies who refuse to get our hands dirty by getting involved in transactions with eBay twits selling Websurfers for 3 or more times what they originally paid for them. Grumpy-the-wussie 05-07-2000 18:12:01

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 I know that I am indeed making a profit off my WSPs purchase. Grumpy I do realize that you don't like these auctions. But keep in mind that I didn't name the price, its the demand that push the price up. Besides, I already stop posting direct links to the auction. I already don't charge shipping since I realize that most likely that the final price is going to be higher then 75 which can cover my cost and shipping... Besides, its like if i didn't sell them, people still probably have to wind up buying from CompUSA with the TOS enforced... now even backordered... thru auction its just a way for people to get there hands on one. remember that the WSP was only for sale for a day or two without TOS and most CompUSA didn't ran out of stock during those days. That took it off the shelf. I simply stock myself up and trying to make some money while I can help someone to get one. 05-07-2000 19:14:52

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO Grumpy... this is capitalism. its pointless for you to beat khc200 up for selling his WSP. afterall, he is still doing someone a favor and I have to agree with khc200 that he is not the person that named the price, the demand did. with regard to his bookpc comment... all i have to say is that if i have to buy all those parts to build a pc, i would probably build a full size one and play with overclocking. Modding these i-appliances are part of the fun. When you are buying parts to build a PC, you want to have the best bang for the buck... and i don't see bookpc is the way to go. just my 2 cents. 05-07-2000 20:52:40

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 someone on ebay is using my WSP picture in their auction. just in case if thats a scam, thought i should let everybody know. its the one with a WSP box that you can find on Yahoo auction (real) 05-07-2000 21:08:01

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Grumpy Look, fellers. I was taking exception to khc200's comment that "bookpc is for wussies", simply because it's not appropriate for the conditions that exist, nor does it take into account the wide variety of skill levels of everyone here on the board. The Book PC may be below *your* capabilities and needs, yet perfectly fit someone elses needs and talents. I'd love to have a Websurfer, but if I'm going to pay $200 or thereabouts for something I'm still going to have to sink money into and yet come up with a less capable box for the same amount of money, then the Book PC is the better value. The Websurfer would be more fun, but it doesn't make sense to get it for the price I have to pay for it now. Once it goes back down to $100 or less, then I'll grab one just for the fun of it, and then do all the soldering to enable the on-board IDE and serial port, build my own bracket for the spare 2.1 GB notebook drive I have sitting here preloaded with 98SE, play with it for awhile, and then trade it to my neighbor in return for enslaving her kids to mow my lawn for the rest of the summer. Anyhow, I'm well aware of the law of supply and demand driving the market for Websurfers, but I've also seen at least 1 occurence on eBay where the seller ended the auction as soon as he got a fair price. Too bad that doesn't happen more often. As-Grumpy-as-I-wanna-be 05-08-2000 02:45:28

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO Grumpy... just don't buy it from them, thats all. Who in the right mind would say no to money? Grow up. As for the bookpc comment... well keep in mind that khc200 was replying an Ebay ad and in addition that bookpc are indeed less challanging and already come prebuilt. if wussies is not the right word, what is? you don't have a WSP, we do... what is wrong with us naming our own price? come on now, khc200 sells to people who needs it and are willing to pay that price, if they don't find nothing wrong with it, i don't think you should. but then again, its your opinion, just keep it to yourself. 05-08-2000 03:31:24

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 Grumpy, just wondering... what would you do if you have 5 WSP and already have 3 computers at home when you live by yourself and no one in your family need an extra computer? I mean if my friends needs a WSP, I would sell it to them for 55 (includes tax) but now we are talking about selling to people that I don't know online, what makes you think that if I sell them for a reasonable price (100 according to you) and they are not going to sell them on ebay again for a higher price? Think more before you voice negative opinion towards someone. If you think that my bookpc comment is too harsh, mind you that this is not a bookpc thread nor a bookpc group. I didn't meant insult anyone intendtionally and was basically making a comment about bookpc, and I agree with 1wsp41IO on the notion that if anyone is building a PC... overclocking is the way to go, not trying to squeeze everything in a tiny box, thats just simply utilizing resources for the maximum return. however, every can choose what they want to do with their money and if you don't want to join others buying a WSP from an auction, you are also free to build or buy a bookpc... thats just your choice. 05-08-2000 07:02:38

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Grumpy WWF tagteam wrestling, anyone? 1wsp41IO:"its your opinion, just keep it to yourself" Not likely, unless you plan on doing the same. khc200: "Think more before you voice negative opinion towards someone." Aren't you the same person who said: "bookpc is for wussies"? 1wsp41IO: "if wussies is not the right word, what is?" Newbie, beginner, WSP-less, etc. pcgamer was just asking for some information, and neither of you really gave him any useful information. He might be very young and just starting out in this scene, so there's no reason not to help him with an answer to his reasonable request. We all started somewhere sometime. Ya'll can have the last word, for now. I've got some vacation reservations to make. Grumpy-as-ever 05-08-2000 18:23:58

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 Grumpy, I guess I did took it a step too far, and I just think we should stop flaming each other or getting off topic here. If you see this before you go on your vacation, I just want to wish you a good trip and hopefully both WSP and IO will be easier to get by the time you are back. Afterall it should be those company to be mad at us, not us turning against each other. Being a WSP owner myself, its reasonable for me to want WSP to apperciate instead of depreciate. I am not trying to make a living out of this but like I said earilier, I would actually prefer to make a profit (I am just being honest here, human nature.) I also own a IO and I was honest about how IO is a cute machine and not as capable as a WSP. But being that both machines have their +s and -s, there must be a bottom line value that the people gives them, and if anyone is willing to pay a premium for it, there must a reason for them to think that its worth the buck. Afterall, I think the original idea of starting this thread was to unite the WSP owners in an effort to prevent them from trading their WSP at a price that makes WSP worthless... I mean if you don't like seeing WSP being sold for 200, how do you like someone trading 3 WSP for 1 IO? Is that ok then? I guess it might be ok, but I probably don't want to see that happen. Human are going to be human and I am just looking out for my best interst, no hard feelings here I hope. 05-08-2000 23:22:01

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 2wsp41IO ATTN: Sam B., Dude I enjoyed meeting you this past weekend. I hope you enjoy the I-Opener I traded with you. I'm not really sure what I'm gonna do with the 2 Web Surfer Pros You traded me but I'm sure they'll be put to good use. :) Tell your buddy that I still have a few I-Openers and could probably meet him on Wednesday. My going rate is the same as the deal I made with you (2 WSP for 1 IO or 1 WSP + $50.00 for 1 IO). Tell him to get in touch with me quick before I change my mind as I'm probably gonna go to Comp USA tommorrow to pick up a few Web Surfers. They still have about 14 going for 49.99 without the TOS (gonna get a bunch before they catch on) :) Later Dude. Thomas 05-09-2000 20:42:27

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) ebay bigwig I will take all you can get, e-mail me at ebayBIGWIG-I-make-lots-of-money@ebay-luser.com I will pay cash. compUSA will not sell them anymore, get a clue, we ebay types will now rake it all in. $300 starting price, see you there! 05-09-2000 20:56:28

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 2wsp41IO...? did you really? why are you contacting them thru this board? don't you at least have their email or phone number? "fishy...fishy..." as for the no TOS WSP... nice try... =D 05-10-2000 10:15:23

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) khc200 Hey Grumpy... my WSP is currently at $77.50 on yahoo with free IDE, free shipping and insurance. Think thats what you mean by acceptable price right? Anyway... my breakeven point for this one is $100, just thought you might be interested. 05-10-2000 10:20:26

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 1wsp41IO Afterall they finally let people post links now... wonder if those machines with links posted have a higher then normal price? 05-13-2000 08:55:17

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) hehe I think you ppl just don't know where to get IOpeners or websurfers. I got 2 websurfers from comp-usa for 21.99 a piece, because they were leftovers. 06-06-2000 11:39:58

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Mintaka Mephit I have two V3 IO's... I'd like to trade one for a WSP plus some cash, if anyone would take... I know that ads aren't appropriate here, so I'm not giving any contact info, I'm just going to ask where would be an appropriate place *to* put such an ad, where I could easily reach people that might own WSPs and want IOs... like, newsgroups or message boards similar in theme to this that would allow ads. Thanks. 06-21-2000 21:10:48

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) El Barto You can contact me at elbart0@home.com for such a trade... 06-22-2000 01:17:33

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) 2 websurfers I have 2 websurfers still in unopened box if someone in the Seattle area is interested in meeting face to face. 07-12-2000 20:21:56

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) drleephd Profile people don't get it, It doesn't matter what an Iopener's or a WS's market value is, pay more for the system you like better. I could go buy an Iopener or a websurfer, or I could go upgrade my existing pc to something really nice, why do people buy ws s and Iopeners? because It's fun to hack them. I can think of alot better deals on //200mhz computers with weak power supplys but the ws and iopener are cool because they are fun to hack, don't think of it as a purchasing decision, rather as a project-computer. make a car mp3 player or something with one, if you're looking for a computer, buy a REAL COMPUTER. if you are looking for a fun-project, buy a ws, or an iopener, OR BOTH!! 12-26-2000 02:50:41

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) ASPguy Profile | Email what's your phd on? 12-26-2000 14:23:32

RE:Don't trade more then 1 WSP for an IO (modified 0 times) Epsilon1 Profile I have 2 websurfers new in unopened box $75 bucks each... Seattle/Everett areas only. Can meet you in person. 12-27-2000 19:07:34

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