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Windows booting over the network: is it possible?

New MessageWindows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Gondola
I received my WSP in the mail today, and my intentions are to use the WSP as a livingroom mp3 player. While it's been shipping, I've been going over alternate methods of doing this. (I'm still at work; my gf called to let me know it arrived.) There are several options for installation that I've been considering;

1. Install an IDE controller and hook up a hard drive with Windows 9x internally. The simplest solution, but may cause several issues. Heat inside the case and inside my stereo rack may be prohibitive. Also, there may not be physical room for the card(s) and a hard drive (I have a couple standard 3.5" HD's lying around).

2. Get the on-board IDE controller working. That only fixes the problem with space for an extra card, not the heat. It would also be impossible for me to do; I'd have to get a friend to do it.

3. Install an operating system on the DOC that can read a networked drive for mp3s, and possibly use it to boot off of as well.

Case 3 is what I've been hoping to do. This way, I only have to monkey with software on the DOC and then I'm home free.

I've been reading the threads and it seems that getting a working OS into 16 megs is a real problem.

QNX would be ideal because of its small footprint. Unfortunately, I don't think it's been officially released as free for home use yet (sometime in May the web site says?)

Windows 95 OSR2 or 98 don't trim down small enough.

Windows 95a supposedly works, but there's no file listing to support this, or a posted image.

Linux can remote boot, but I don't know enough about it and I don't want to set up a dedicated Linux box at home to handle it.

BeOS would be cool, but there's been no followup on that.

I can see a couple options here.

Buy a larger DOC. The manual and the website of the manufacturer say they support up to 144mb DOC. This would be the expensive option.

Or, the angle I've been thinking of is to try to boot Windows (or BeOS?) from the DOC over an SMB connection, off a server on your LAN.
Follow my thinking and tell me if I'm crazy.

Install an IDE controller card and hard drive with a NIC and the \win98 directory already on it. Boot to the hard drive and run Windows setup. Get Windows up and running. Test the NIC; see if you can browse to other SMB shares on your LAN. Configure your network for internet access.. whatever you want this machine to do once it's done. When you've made all the changes you want to make on your machine, copy your entire hard drive to a directory on your server.

Next, make your websurfer boot to DOS and not run Windows. Install Microsoft's LanMan on the websurfer. Configure it to mount the remote directory where you copied Windows. Once you can mount to that directory, make your DOC bootable to DOS. Copy all the files necessary to boot LanMan. Disable the hard drive and try to boot to DOS from the DOC, and see if you can access the windows share on your server. If you can, try to boot Windows.

If it works, awesome!! There may be registry/file changes you have to make to get Windows to boot off this new drive mapping. The LanMan thing might cause problems with Windows as well. You might be able to monkey with boot settings to get the drive letters to match up before and after.

I haven't tried this yet, but it sounds like it might work.

05-08-2000 12:23:35

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Rick
I was thinking about booting over a netwrok too. Right now I am working on getting windows into the 16 meg flash and it is tight. There is a way to remote boot windows 95a. It requires that you have netsetup.exe from the /admin/network/netsetup directory (along with the rest of the contents in that directory) from a retial copy of the windows 95a CD. It's not on the oem CD and it isn't supported in OSR2 or above. If someone could zip up this directory and post it somewhere, then I could get to cracking on this.

--Rick

05-08-2000 12:48:57

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Gondola
Rick,

I've heard about this functionality in Win95a, but unfortunately the only copies I have right now are 95 OSR2.1 and 98SE, although I'm sure I've "purchased" a copy of 95a somewhere in the past with all the PC equipment I've bought in my life.

It would be very cool if someone had a subset of 95a with the net-boot files they could post somewhere.

05-08-2000 12:56:55

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
At the risk of repeating myself, Windows for Workgroups can be made to fit in 16 MB, and has networking support (MSTCP). The progman shell can be replaced with IBM Workplace Shell (WPSH), which makes it really nice. WPSH is free, and WfW is readily available with license at swapmeets and used computer stores.
05-08-2000 13:31:34

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Particle Man
Where do you get this wonderful IBM workplace shell? I cant find it anywhere on IBM's site, anda google search turns up articles on how wonderful it is but nothing on it being free, and downloadable.
05-08-2000 13:41:25

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Linuxguru
Look for Workplace Shell for windows in either the CICA or Simtel archives. I think 1.2 or 1.3 was the latest version, and the earlier versions had smaller footprints. The main advantage with WPSH is nested folders (particularly useful for mp3 files).
05-08-2000 13:46:05

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) digits65
I don't see an answer to the original post on this thread. The question was raised as to whether LanMan / MSClient for DOS could be installed to boot Win9x from a remote drive mounted as D: The answers went off into another realm and didn't discuss the SMB drivers at all.

I've been looking at http://www.samba.org for these answers. My first thought was to remote boot Linux and then mount my MP3s via SMB, but it looks like MS Client could be used with Dos 6.2 on the DOC to just boot Win98 instead.

05-08-2000 16:59:30

New MessageRE:Windows booting over the network (modified 0 times) Gondola
Exactly the point my original rambling post made, digits65 :)
Thanks for summing it up so succinctly.

I'm installing Win98SE on my WSP right now... only took me a few hours to finally get an IDE drive to boot.
(One of those "DOH!" moments when you realize you've been misreading what someone else has posted.)

So, as soon as that's done I'll see if I can reformat my DOC and get DOS (well, Win98SE's version of DOS) with Microsoft's LanMan software working on it.

My IDE controller and my PCI ethernet won't fit together in the slots, unfortunately, and I don't want to start bending stuff and possibly break something (already bent one of the pins on my DOC).

Will post my results...

-Gondola-

05-08-2000 18:59:11

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