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New Messagewebsurfer subtandard powersupply (modified 0 times) jackie_chan
in my electronics experiences ,it turns out websurfer maker had produced substandard powersupply. i examined the label on one of big can capacitor it said rated 1 amp and how could they have put in a fuse that is rated 4amps? and the 1 amp powersupply is not good enogh to handle the 3.5 hd and a cdrom drive(no spin up)that is a very serious desgin flaw in powersupply that may contribute to saftey and fire hazard that underwriter labtories will not pass the approval for use in usa
05-09-2000 21:40:09

New MessageRE:websurfer subtandard powersupply (modified 0 times) greghol
Most computer companies dont design and build power supplies for thier products. ie Innovators uses MeanWell supplies. Look at the label.

Its rated for 45W, really 42.6W-ish.
(5V * 3A) + (12V * 2A) + (-12V * 0.3A) = 42.6W

I have no idea what the MB + CPU + RAM draws, say 1.0A at 5V. An IO Card, say, 300mA. Add a 3.5" drive, about 600mA, CDROM (ie 32x), 1.0A. Whats the total amperage? 2.9A! Not a
lot of margin huh :) The number may be less or more. What about surge? It will be higher. The unit was not engineered to draw max current. At least I dont design my products to draw at the maximum. 50% to 75%. Oh and the amperage at 12v is near the max = 2.0A. Sure, the supply can provide more power than this but its not good to run it at the max levels. They have margin built in also.

What is the current drawn at the AC side?
With a 1Amp fuse at 100VAC. 100VAC x 0.707
is 70.7V RMS. Factor in the ineffeciency
and it about right.


I dont think the supply is unsafe.

Greg

05-10-2000 00:00:56

New MessageRE:websurfer substandard powersupply (modified 0 times) particle Man
The power supply is 100% A-ok. The device meets UL ratings for a consumer device. Now, it may be sub-standard for hacker uses, I.E. adding a power hungry 3.5 inch HDD, an isa and PCI card, 3-40 more fans, etc.. but then you are exceeding the ratings, not the device. The processor uses much less than what you guys quoted. I'll bet that the whole motherboard uses maybe 1.5 - 1.8 amps at 5 volts (the 12 volts is ONLY for fan) Now we have a 4 amp fuse, yes... 4 amps at 110Volts. this is a very different from 4 amps at 5 volts.

Here's some simple electronic mathematics..

Amps X volts = Watts. and watts are what matters.
110 X 4 = 440 watts
5 X 4 = 20 watts

there is so much overhead in this power supply it's funny.

Please, do the math first people.... electronics is 99% mathematics and 1% observation.

05-10-2000 07:24:31

New MessageRE:websurfer substandard powersupply (modified 0 times) particle Man
The power supply is 100% A-ok. The device meets UL ratings for a consumer device. Now, it may be sub-standard for hacker uses, I.E. adding a power hungry 3.5 inch HDD, an isa and PCI card, 3-40 more fans, etc.. but then you are exceeding the ratings, not the device. The processor uses much less than what you guys quoted. I'll bet that the whole motherboard uses maybe 1.5 - 1.8 amps at 5 volts (the 12 volts is ONLY for fan) Now we have a 4 amp fuse, yes... 4 amps at 110Volts. this is a very different from 4 amps at 5 volts.

Here's some simple electronic mathematics..

Amps X volts = Watts. and watts are what matters.
110 X 4 = 440 watts
5 X 4 = 20 watts

there is so much overhead in this power supply it's funny.

Please, do the math first people.... electronics is 99% mathematics and 1% observation.

05-10-2000 07:24:32

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