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New MessageNewbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
Some data to help get you started:

NOTE: There are more pages of "threads" here, good but older information may be on the other pages, hit "NEXT" at the bottom. This data is from many posts, meaning buyer beware.

To get to the BIOS, hit DEL as with any PC.
Disable the on-board IDE in the BIOS.
Check the BIOS boot setting, "C,CDROM".
Set the boot partition to "active".
Let the BIOS detect the drive if it can.
Pull the DiskonChip, it loads strange code at startup.
Boot drive should be set to MASTER, check jumpers.

Yes, the OS *was* QNX. DiskonChip can be written with utilities at:
http://www.m-sys.com/drivers.asp?PID=2&FAM=doc&FILE=doc2k
http://www.m-sys.com/product.asp?PID=2&FILE=doc2k&FAM=doc
http://www.m-sys.com/
Yes, that is on board IDE. Need to add SMD resistors, see previous threads about it.
Yes, win98/Linux/DOS will work. Set it for standard 640X480 16 bit till you can load drivers:
win video driver http://linux-hacker.net/downloads/w95-208.zip
win audio driver http://linux-hacker.net/downloads/95audio.zip
win modem drivers
http://www.archtek.com/driver9598.html
http://www.archtek.com/driver/modems/56000/5634bts.exe

Here is the link to check to see if it is in stock at your local compusa
http://www.compusastores.com/products/product_info.asp?prodzip=&product_code=271198

That should do it for now. Lots of good threads here.

04-28-2000 03:12:22

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
If you take out the DiskOnChip out of the socket, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHICH WAY IT GOES BACK IN. Two people have already fried theirs! (no big loss)

Slide a *small* flat-head type screwdriver under the DOC Chip, and then slowly lift the thing with even *gental* force.

04-29-2000 02:48:29

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) ttn1
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Assuming most people know this, but for newbies here it is. The DiskOnChip has a little blue dot in one corner of the label. Make sure that lines up with the little white arrow on the Motherboard right beside one corner of the socket.
04-29-2000 04:24:31

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) RandyJRS
Some of us "intermediate" people will benefit from threads like this too. Sometimes we hesitate posting the simplest discoveries because we might appear to be "newbies"... Let's not make that mistake this time.

Ok, I'll start with something I discovered... To punch out the two round metal covers which hide the PS-2 mouse and keyboard sockets, you really don't need to take out the motherboard entirely. Instead, remove the five screws which hold it in place (easily seen). Then gently slide the motherboard toward the front of the unit (a half inch or so). Then you can gently begin to push and bend those round covers (back and forth, back and forth) until they break off. Then just slide the motherboard back into place and reinsert the screws.

How 'bout some web pages illustrating the hack? (Yeah, I'd do it, except my web pages tend to be, well, awful, lol.)

04-29-2000 06:51:29

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) spankyboy
Thanks! I had found the video drivers but was having trouble with finding the audio driver.

Thanks for saving me some time.

04-29-2000 08:40:05

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
DiskonChip Utilities for Win and Linux!

Linux:
http://linux-hacker.net/downloads/diskoc-linux-driver.tgz

Win:
http://linux-hacker.net/downloads/diskoc-win-utils-v121.zip
http://linux-hacker.net/downloads/diskoc-misc-win-utils.zip

04-29-2000 11:00:00

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
Getting power for your hard drive:

Go to rat-shack or a auto parts store and get some of those 3M "blue" splicers (RS #64-3053 for 22 guage wire) and rip a power cable off a old 286 PC power supply. RS sells a 10" power extension cable for $3 (#278-767), they sell a Y cable too.

Splice into the power supply cables that run to the motherboard (with the 110V power cord UNPLUGGED please, HIGH VOLTAGE is everywhere!). The colors are correct for a normal power cable, red is +5V, Yellow is +12V and both blacks are ground. These small drives don't draw much for power so you only need to connect one black if you want, cut the other. Remember those BIG 5 1/4" drives? Those were why they had two black wires.

If you are using a 2 1/2" drive with a adaptor, you only need 5V. You could mess around, but just make the power connector right. You might want to hang a CD ROM or other drive off it one day to load software.

04-29-2000 13:23:50

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
Radio shack has .100 headers, I would call, they don't carry a lot of stuff anymore. Digikey or mouser, but shipping will kill you.

Check your yellow pages for a electronics store near you. A nice PC repair guy at a store (compUSA!) might just give you one if you tell him what you are doing and give him this web site address in exchange!

You want a standard .100 center 40 pin (or more) "berg stick" header, just like on a IDE card. You might want to get a longer one and do the 5V while you are at it (cut a longer header to size and use the leftovers).

04-29-2000 14:15:03

New MessageIDE Header sources (scrounging! :>) (modified 0 times) Jopasm
Check your local computer stores/businesses - you should be able to remove a header from a dead motherboard or controller (you might even be able to get the rest of the parts off of it) - most places just throw these away. If I decide to solder on a header (I'm going to try to play w/ the disk-on-chip first) I'm going to rummage through my junk pile first thing - I know I've got a couple of blown Pentium boards in their somewhere.
04-29-2000 15:38:25

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
IDE controller set up:

Use the jumpers to disable *everything*, FDD, SERIAL, GAME, LPT - but *not* IDE. IDE was set to primary. Settings are normally printed right on the card.

Off the top of my head, I turned off all IDE things in the "chipset" settings of BIOS, including the ultra DMA. Saved CMOS settings and powered on / off.

At this new boot, the onboard IDE is off so I did a IDE auto detect for C, it showed the drive and it's settings, hit return and ESC. When you go to the first thing on the top left of the main menu (was it standard CMOS settings?) it shows the drive as "user" and it's settings, so all is well. I used AUTO for a CDROM one time as "D", but never for the HD, you may get different results.

You have a problem if it doesn't auto detect. Cable plugged in correct?

The drive is set to "device 0" meaning (I assume) master.

Make sure your boot partition is set to active.

The cards I used are generic, ISA pulled out of who knows what. One says "LGS Prime 2c" the other says "SIIG Inc, Fremont CA, Winbond W83758F", they both work, got them at a local used PC shop for $9. Other people have reported using the compUSA card, but I am cheap.

The type doesn't matter, they should all be the same. IDE is not that tough to do hardware wise. I had another one I used a while back, I don't know what exactly it is but it was another generic card.

Check everything, try what you can on another PC that is known working.

04-29-2000 21:50:56

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) * StarFish *
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Western Digital Hard Drives Have 3 Setting !
Master
Slave
Single

when it is by itself (No Slave), It Needs to be set to SINGLE (No Jumpers)

04-29-2000 22:00:12

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
Onboard IDE connector, adding resistors (if you want to):

R99 and R100 are pull-ups to +5V, so anything between 1K and 20K would be OK for what we are doing. That would translate to "102" up to "203" in little tiny part numbers.

The packs can be from about 22 ohm to maybe 100? 33 was a good choice someone suggested, the IO uses 22 on their IDE. The resistors add RFI "protection" and maybe if you plug in the HD backwards with power on it will save you.

That translates to "220" up to "101" in little tiny part numbers.

You can find these on old dead $1 swapmeet hard drives and boards if you look. That is why I am saying that the values can vary, it's not all that important since the cable run is very short. This is all 5V logic signals.

The ones you see are 33 and 1K, but engineers have this stuff laying around.

The pic link again:
http://linux-hacker.net/websurfer/images/ide-resistors1.jpg

04-30-2000 01:27:43

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) hardware1
Adding the COM1 port (if you want to):

"U17" is either a LGS GD75232D or HT6571. A 75232 is a common chip. You simply put one in "U10" and add the connector header.

The connector CN18 is pinned exactly like any serial card, just plug it in and go!

Caps are not needed for it to function, unless you are worried about FCC or long cable runs.

You may find the chips on dead serial cards at the swapmeet.

This would be great for uploading MP3's.

Pic of cable pluged in:
http://linux-hacker.net/websurfer/images/ide-resistors1.jpg

USB ZIP drive would be better, but this is nice.

04-30-2000 01:33:44

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) Antipop
What is all this about the onboard IDE connector and adding resistors? Do I need to do this if I'm getting an ISA IDE card?
05-02-2000 14:01:49

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) kinky
This should be in the newbies thread.

HACK TO USE WS WITH YOUR OWN ISP. NO HARDWARE CHANGES REQUIRED
===============================================================

Here are the steps to hack a virgin (as in unmodified) Websurfer to use your own ISP.

1. Connect everthing. Go through registration screen and provide information.
2. Be sure to choose "I'll use my own ISP" option.
3. In the next screen, enter all the ISP parameters. Set up atleast one user.
4. Now, hit Ctrl+Alt+M
5. In the pop-up box enter f1n9eR
6. You are in the Control Panel.
7. Change all *.websurfer.com URL in all the screens to something else (preferrably your own server, so that you'll know when the WS is trying to call home).
8. Go to the other settings screen
9. Change the Device ID from 0 to a non-zero number (e.g 1234). Save the settings.
10. Power off the WS and power back on.
11. You should now be past the registration screen.
12. Say YES to "Are you still using this number .... ?" question (if asked)
13. Choose a User, modify ISP settings if necessary and dial-out.

05-02-2000 16:02:04

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) puzzel
Will this only work after you have added the
hard drive as I don't know how you would download your ISP'S software on it without it.
05-02-2000 16:35:21

New MessageWTF!? DID YOU JUST FIND THE CONTROL PANEL PASSWORD!? (modified 0 times) ms662412
WTF!? DID YOU JUST FIND THE CONTROL PANEL PASSWORD!?
_________________________________________________________________________________
<I'll re-install you!>
05-02-2000 16:39:02

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) kinky

WTF!? DID YOU JUST FIND THE CONTROL PANEL PASSWORD!?

The password is f1n9eR. You should really pay attention to the threads on this board :) (j/k)

puzzel
You do not even need to open the cover on your WS. The original software image has full PPP support. Just enter your own ISP's parameters and you are in business. Make sure to remove all the websurfer URLs so that the device does not try to call home.

Good luck.

Other threads of interest:
Hidden Websurfer Info
Secret keyboard commands

-kinky

05-02-2000 16:48:21

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) puzzel
Kinky...You are the Man..Thanx from all of us
05-02-2000 17:33:54

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) ms662412
Sorry kinky - alot of people like me didn't get to see the info (dead link)
05-02-2000 17:34:40

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) puzzel
Would the printer port/Rj45 dongle allow
cable modem connect with this set up?
Anyone tried it yet or how about the
USB/rj45 dongle cable modem connection any one using this setup. Thanx
05-02-2000 17:40:32

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) diverse
Profile
thanks for the proper credit Kinky,
and thanks for taking the time to spell out what to do with the password for everyone that
05-02-2000 19:13:48

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) RJ45
RJ45 requires a lot more soldering than simple resistors! You need to put in that BIG chip! See some of the PCI network card installations people have done (read).

Answer for soldering resistors: No if you are using a ISA board for IDE. What did you think?

05-02-2000 23:35:17

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) Bishop
Super-ultra-clueless newbies and other curious people check out my site
http://www.geocities.com/wehackem
05-03-2000 03:13:07

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) Particle man
NOTE: dont just hit delete to get into bios.. it is not like any other bios you have to hold down delete on power up. Best way is to let it fail with no DOC and then CTL-ALT-DEL it, hold down the Del key. you'll get in every time... the "just hit delete" comment will frustrate users from one end to the other.
05-03-2000 06:38:12

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) diverse
Profile
Some good info on there Bishop.. I added a link from my site too.. hopefully people that end up either place will find everything they need!
05-03-2000 06:40:11

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) Particle Man
Um, the no-open hack for using the WSP is wrong... you'll get web access, but your email client will not work. you need to hack QNX to change the settings for the email client (Probably hardcoded) so the only thing that will work is email.... oh and most javascript dont work/java sucks... Install Linux and get everything.
05-03-2000 06:41:03

New MessageRE:Newbies: START HERE! Info to help you start (modified 0 times) puzzel
Password f1n9eR no longer works on mine..
Anybody else please confirm this.
05-03-2000 09:53:05

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